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1/1/2011 2:40:55 PM
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High demand among rich white men?
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1/1/2011 3:31:16 PM
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They have concurred that the eligible bachelors in their immediate surroundings are jerks/ a$sholes and hence try to expand their horizons. They wander in uncharted categories in hopes of better future.
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1/1/2011 4:21:14 PM
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I'd say the integration of Asians into society with whites along with the lack of a major socio-economic stereotype given to Asians (That I'm aware of).
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1/1/2011 4:22:57 PM
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At 1/1/2011 3:31:16 PM, gerrandesquire wrote:
They have concurred that the eligible bachelors in their immediate surroundings are jerks/ a$sholes and hence try to expand their horizons. They wander in uncharted categories in hopes of better future.

so you're explanation of it, is that a large population of @ssholes are asian men vs. other ethnicities?

I'm blaming it on avg penis size.
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1/1/2011 4:31:00 PM
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At 1/1/2011 4:21:14 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
lack of a major socio-economic stereotype given to Asians (That I'm aware of).

*Asians are good at math

*Asians are bad drivers

*Asians are control freaks

*Asians are quiet/timid

*Asians are hardworking and industrious

*Asian males are chauvinistic

*Asians all are martial-arts masters
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1/1/2011 4:43:59 PM
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At 1/1/2011 4:22:57 PM, wamba wrote:
At 1/1/2011 3:31:16 PM, gerrandesquire wrote:
They have concurred that the eligible bachelors in their immediate surroundings are jerks/ a$sholes and hence try to expand their horizons. They wander in uncharted categories in hopes of better future.

so you're explanation of it, is that a large population of @ssholes are asian men vs. other ethnicities?

I'm blaming it on avg penis size.

Asian girl to my white friend Chris in college: "be gentle, I've only ever been with Asian guys."
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1/1/2011 4:50:00 PM
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At 1/1/2011 4:43:59 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 1/1/2011 4:22:57 PM, wamba wrote:
At 1/1/2011 3:31:16 PM, gerrandesquire wrote:
They have concurred that the eligible bachelors in their immediate surroundings are jerks/ a$sholes and hence try to expand their horizons. They wander in uncharted categories in hopes of better future.

so you're explanation of it, is that a large population of @ssholes are asian men vs. other ethnicities?

I'm blaming it on avg penis size.

Asian girl to my white friend Chris in college: "be gentle, I've only ever been with Asian guys."

LOL
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1/1/2011 5:00:45 PM
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Asian men are pretty nasty. Some of the islanders can put on lean muscle though, so they can be pretty attractive. But the other engineers I work with? Forget about it.
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1/1/2011 9:36:19 PM
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At 1/1/2011 2:34:37 PM, wamba wrote:
marry outside their race.

Explanation for this?

http://www.nydailynews.com...:

Possible reasons:

- Because Asians make beautiful mixed babies.
- Asian men have small penises
- People are inherently attracted to what they consider "exotic" members of the opposite sex.
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1/1/2011 10:25:24 PM
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At 1/1/2011 5:00:45 PM, Sieben wrote:
Asian men are pretty nasty. Some of the islanders can put on lean muscle though, so they can be pretty attractive. But the other engineers I work with? Forget about it.

lol. so true.
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1/1/2011 10:48:22 PM
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At 1/1/2011 10:15:10 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Ummmm...

lol
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1/1/2011 10:54:58 PM
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At 1/1/2011 10:15:10 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Ummmm...

Let's leave them to talk, PoeJoe. There's really no reason for us to intrude.
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1/1/2011 11:17:04 PM
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At 1/1/2011 10:54:58 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 1/1/2011 10:15:10 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Ummmm...

Let's leave them to talk, PoeJoe. There's really no reason for us to intrude.

Actually Kleptin and PoeJoe, I'd value your insight the most. I'm sure you personally know more interracial couples and may have better insights behind the statistic
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1/1/2011 11:18:04 PM
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At 1/1/2011 10:37:53 PM, FREEDO wrote:
If Asian men were asssholes they would have more women, not let.

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1/1/2011 11:21:35 PM
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At 1/1/2011 11:18:04 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 1/1/2011 10:37:53 PM, FREEDO wrote:
If Asian men were asssholes they would have more women, not let.

less*

It's marriage, not dating in high school
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1/1/2011 11:22:00 PM
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For whites and blacks, the new immigrants and (increasingly) their now grown U.S.-born children have enlarged the pool of potential partners for marrying outside one's own racial or ethnic group. But for Hispanics and Asians, the ongoing immigration wave has greatly enlarged the pool of potential partners for in-group marrying.

This only further begs the question: "Why is this figure so high"
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1/1/2011 11:22:45 PM
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Further info for thinking:

Some 22% of all black male newlyweds in 2008 married outside their race, compared with just 9% of black female newlyweds. Among Asians, the gender pattern runs the opposite way. Some 40% of Asian female newlyweds in 2008 married outside their race, compared with just 20% of Asian male newlyweds.
Among whites and Hispanics, by contrast, there are no gender differences in intermarriage rates.
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1/1/2011 11:30:22 PM
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"But anger over intermarriage is visible on Internet on-line discussion groups for young Asians. The men, featuring an even-greater-than-normal-for-the-Internet concentration of cranky bachelors, accuse the women of racism for dating white guys. For example, ``This [dating] disparity is a manifestation of a silent conspiracy by the racist white society and self-hating Asian [nasty word for ``women'] to effect the genocide of Asian Americans.'"

http://www.isteve.com...

Also it seems that Asian women rather than foreign women are more likely to have interracial marriages. What is absolutely crazy is that for native asians, the figures is a whopping 46% and that's including men and women. Knowing the disparity among gender, the number for native born asian women is easily over 50%

http://pewresearch.org...
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1/1/2011 11:42:24 PM
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At 1/1/2011 11:30:22 PM, wamba wrote:
"But anger over intermarriage is visible on Internet on-line discussion groups for young Asians. The men, featuring an even-greater-than-normal-for-the-Internet concentration of cranky bachelors, accuse the women of racism for dating white guys. For example, ``This [dating] disparity is a manifestation of a silent conspiracy by the racist white society and self-hating Asian [nasty word for ``women'] to effect the genocide of Asian Americans.'"

http://www.isteve.com...

Also it seems that Asian women rather than foreign women are more likely to have interracial marriages. What is absolutely crazy is that for native asians, the figures is a whopping 46% and that's including men and women. Knowing the disparity among gender, the number for native born asian women is easily over 50%

http://pewresearch.org...

Wait never mind 46% is the number for native born asian women not sexes combined
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1/1/2011 11:43:10 PM
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At 1/1/2011 11:17:04 PM, wamba wrote:
Actually Kleptin and PoeJoe, I'd value your insight the most. I'm sure you personally know more interracial couples and may have better insights behind the statistic

I have absolutely no idea where to start. I'm guessing that's why PoeJoe said "ummmm" instead of making a post as well, as we are both Asian males and there has already been so much said that seems to be well beyond repairable >.>

I'll try to hit the topic as quickly and cleanly as possible.

Part one.

Girls are more socially sensitive. Biologically, they needed to maintain clan bonds while the males were out hunting. Being socially sensitive is also a key trait because social ranking became a factor in male fitness, not necessarily strength or intelligence specifically. The ability to be of high social rank was considered the best indicator for fitness in a social species like humans.

In most Asian societies, the alpha male was well-mannered, respectful, and a good provider. Arranged marriages were also very popular, as the culture was focused on community, harmony, family, and duty instead of freedom, independence, and change, as it is in the west.

With mass westernization occurring, males learn slower because they are less socially sensitive. They retain the values taught by the generation above on how to be a suitable mate. Girls, being more socially sensitive, are more quick and efficient in absorbing the cues and nuances of a different culture as to what makes a male rank higher on the social ladder.

In the west, this happens to be decisiveness, leadership, outspokenness, traits that western families have traditionally held to be more useful than harmony or the ability to provide through service of the whole.

As a result, Asian men are left out in the cold because they tend to be slower to realize that the tactics of their parents won't work in a world where the western culture is dominating. Why? Asian women quickly abandon their cultural views on what makes a good mate to adapt to new traits that define ranking on the social ladder, in accordance with western views.

Part two.

Even for men who can efficiently play the game the way westerners do, a very long history of media-perpetuated stereotypes that downplay the social aptness of the Asian male and heighten the exotic desirability of the Asian female further handicap Asian males and increase the competition over Asian females by making them more of a target for recipients of that media. Westerners.

What Asian men need to do, is adapt better. That's all. That will even the playing field enough.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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1/1/2011 11:43:15 PM
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This was probably the most insightful article on the topic that explained the reasons which were mainly physical.

Let's look at three physical differences between the races. 1) Asian men tend to be shorter than white and black men. Does this matter in the mating game? One of America's leading hands-on researchers into this question, 7'1", 280-pound basketball legend Wilt Chamberlain, reports that in his ample experience being tall and strong never hurt. Biological anthropologists confirm this, finding that taller tends to be better in the eyes of most women in just about all cultures. Like most traits, height is determined by the interaction of genetic and social factors (e.g., nutrition). For example, the L.A. Dodgers' flamethrowing pitcher Hideo Nomo is listed as 6'2", an almost unheard-of height for any Japanese man fifty years ago, owing to the near-starvation diets of the era. While the height gap between Japanese and whites narrowed significantly after World War II, this trend has slowed in recent years as well-fed Japanese began bumping up against genetic limits. Furthermore, it can be rather cold comfort to a 5'7" Asian who is competing for dates with white and black guys averaging 5'11" to hear, ``Your sons will grow up on average a couple of inches taller than you, assuming, of course, that you ever meet a girl and have any kids.' In contrast, consider a 5'1" Asian coed. Although she'd be happy with a 5'7" boyfriend if she were in an all-Asian school, at UCLA she finds lots of boys temptingly much taller than that, but few are Asian.

2. This general principle -- the more racial integration there is, the more important become physical differences among the races -- can also be seen with regard to hair length. The ability to grow long hair is a useful indicator of youth and good health. (Ask anybody on chemotherapy.) Since women do not go bald and can generally grow longer hair than men, most cultures associate longer hair with femininity. Although blacks' hair doesn't grow as long as whites' or Asians' hair, that's not a problem for black women in all-black societies. After integration, though, hair often becomes an intense concern for black women competing with longer-haired women of other races. While intellectuals in black-studies departments' ebony towers denounce ``Eurocentric standards of beauty,' most black women respond more pragmatically. They one-up white women by buying straight from the source of the longest hair: the Wall Street Journal recently reported on the booming business in furnishing African-American women with ``weaves' and ``extensions' harvested from the follicularly gifted women of China.

3. Muscularity may most sharply differentiate the races in terms of sexual attractiveness. Women like men who are stronger than they; men like women who are rounder and softer. The ending of segregation in sports has made racial differences in muscularity harder to ignore. Although the men's 100-meter dash is among the world's most widely contested events, in the last four Olympics all 32 finalists have been blacks of West African descent.

Is muscularity quantifiable? PBS fitness expert Covert Bailey finds that he needs to recommend different goals -- in terms of percentage of body fat -- to his clients of different races. The standard goal for adult black men is 12 per cent body fat, versus 18 per cent for Asian men. The goals for women are 7 points higher than for men of the same race.

For interracial couples, their ``gender gaps' in body-fat goals correlate uncannily with their husband - wife proportions in the 1990 Census. The goal for black men (12 per cent) is 10 points lower than the goal for white women (22 per cent), while the goal for white men (15 per cent) is only 4 points lower than the goal for black women (19 per cent). This 10:4 ratio is almost identical to the 72:28 ratio seen in the Census. This correlates just as well for white - Asian couples, too. Apparently, men want women who make them feel more like men, and vice versa for women.

Understanding the impact of genetic racial differences on American life is a necessity for anybody who wants to understand our increasingly complex society. For example, the sense of betrayal felt by Asian men certainly makes sense. After all, they tend to surpass the national average in those long-term virtues -- industry, self-restraint, law-abidingness -- that society used to train young women to look for in a husband. Yet, now that discrimination has finally declined enough for Asian men to expect to reap the rewards for fulfilling traditional American standards of manliness, our culture has largely lost interest in indoctrinating young women to prize those qualities.

The frustrations of Asian men are a warning sign. When, in the names of freedom and feminism, young women listen less to the hard-earned wisdom of older women about how to pick Mr. Right, they listen even more to their hormones. This allows cruder measures of a man's worth -- like the size of his muscles -- to return to prominence. The result is not a feminist utopia, but a society in which genetically gifted guys can more easily get away with acting like Mr. Wrong.
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1/1/2011 11:44:05 PM
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At 1/1/2011 10:15:10 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Ummmm...:

Haha, no offense Joe. It;s just a stupid stereotype
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1/1/2011 11:47:35 PM
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At 1/1/2011 11:43:10 PM, Kleptin wrote:
as we are both Asian males and there has already been so much said that seems to be well beyond repairable >.>

Haha I know you both are, that's why your opinion would be most interesting.

I personally think it's the physical differences between races along with how the media portrays the different races.

Blacks are portrayed as tough and masculine, Whites about average, Asians more feminine and intelligent.

Not saying the above is true, rather that it's how at least I see it being portrayed throughout commercials, etc.

I mean look at the oldspice commercial. It doesn't feature a ripped asian.
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1/2/2011 10:48:10 AM
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Asians actually have pretty good genetics in the gym. They don't make good bodybuilders because their lower bodies don't develop well, but they can hold lean muscle pretty well.

All in all, no matter how bad someone's genetics are, you can look way more cut than A&F models with some effort. You can change a lot about your figure... even heavy deadlifts and back stretching can make your shoulder-bones significantly broader.

(Mexicans are actually the ones most screwed by their genetics - big hips and small calfs... their food sucks for weightlifting too)

But I think it comes down to culture. Or rather willingness to deny culture. To have a good body you have to prioritize a lot of things in your diet and schedule that may seem rude or strange to your peers.
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1/2/2011 11:20:18 AM
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*face palm*

I knew I shouldn't have posted >.>
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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1/2/2011 11:48:03 AM
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At 1/2/2011 11:20:18 AM, Kleptin wrote:
*face palm*

I knew I shouldn't have posted >.>

i'm glad you did anyway. 'twas fairly insightful.. you big asian you :)
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