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8/12/2016 6:24:06 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
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Is prostitution degrading or empowering?
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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8/12/2016 8:55:49 PM
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At 8/12/2016 6:24:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

Is prostitution degrading or empowering?

It is degrading.
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8/12/2016 9:05:30 PM
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At 8/12/2016 6:24:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Is prostitution degrading or empowering?

It depends on the individual's view of sex.
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8/12/2016 9:16:32 PM
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At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
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Does the wage gap exist?
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8/12/2016 9:18:51 PM
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At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
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Is Western Patriarchy or Feminism the greatest social system for women?
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8/12/2016 9:25:33 PM
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At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
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What's your opinion on pornography?
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8/12/2016 10:12:09 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/12/2016 9:16:32 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

Does the wage gap exist?

Where? Which country are you specifying in? I assume America. No the wage gap is too general to be used for any evidence to support feminist theories. I don't think the wage gap exists in America. If you wanted to do a wage gape of the world, yes I think a wage gap exists. If you compare an average Americans earnings a day to an average earning in a third world country. There would be a noticeable difference. But that would include both men and women in America compared to both men and women in the third world country.
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8/12/2016 10:13:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/12/2016 9:18:51 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

Is Western Patriarchy or Feminism the greatest social system for women?

I think that modern western democracy is the greatest social system. What do you think?
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8/12/2016 10:22:18 PM
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At 8/12/2016 9:25:33 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

What's your opinion on pornography?

I don't like it because it objectifies both men and women for degrading acts.
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8/12/2016 11:31:56 PM
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At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

Do you think every woman should be a feminist?

What do you think of the s***walks that some feminists organize?

Do you believe that we live in a patriarchy? (I don't know where you live, but do you think most first world/developed countries, have a patriarchal system?)

Do you think abortion is a right, a privilege or neither?

Do you think women and men have equal legal rights in developed countries, like for example, the US?

Why exactly do you think feminism is needed nowadays?

Do you think that countries like the US have a rape culture?
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8/13/2016 12:10:18 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/12/2016 11:31:56 PM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

Do you think every woman should be a feminist?
I don't think women have to be a feminist. That would be restricting a women's choice. I think it should be their choice. Feminism isn't always angry and hateful. So you don't have to be an angry hateful feminist. But it should be a persons choice.

What do you think of the s***walks that some feminists organize?
I think they are weird. Anybody can walk around topless just like anybody could walk around naked in some places. You have to be open to harassment because it's going to happen when you are the odd one out or the abnormal person there. Transgenders and gays got flak. I get what they are trying to say and I think that's great. But you can't stop people from insulting you because that's their choice. Not yours. You can only decide how you're going to react.

Do you believe that we live in a patriarchy? (I don't know where you live, but do you think most first world/developed countries, have a patriarchal system?)
Most first world countries don't have patriarchy. At least that's what I think. If you zoom in though, there are probably people out there that are old fashioned. But we cannot judge a whole country based off of a few extremists. So no I don't think first world countries live in patriarchy. Though I cannot say for other countries. Those countries are the ones we actually need to help.

Do you think abortion is a right, a privilege or neither?
I think it is a choice. If you want abortion that is your choice. If you don't want it, that's your choice. I think it should be the persons choice but I don't think it's a privilege. There is nothing special about killing even an unborn baby. So a right I guess if I had to choose.

Do you think women and men have equal legal rights in developed countries, like for example, the US?
I haven't looked to hard into this but yes. Equal chance though? I don't think so. Since equality has equal opportunities in its definition. Women should have equal chances at things men have chances at. For example firefighters. A friends of mine who was a girl was in fire fighter school and she said there was an extremely old fashioned fire fighter who was judging them upon physical fitness and the old fashioned fire fighter was especially hard against all the women in the class. Equal chance is something we are striving for.

Why exactly do you think feminism is needed nowadays?
Because some countries still have patriarchy. Because in some countries girls aren't given the same opportunities as boys. In some countries girls are denied education. I think it's important for these women to have an equal shot at life.

Do you think that countries like the US have a rape culture?
Is rape culture a culture that celebrates and promotes rape? Then no, not really. Though we do have a problem with prostitution and the sex trafficking industry. Prostitution is objectifying women whether we realize it or not. Think of it like a business. Women are portrayed as products that can be bought. And this is to appeal to mostly men. We are making sex out to be a "need" that men need and we are filling out that need/demand by supplying more women. Then there comes the point that prostitution is supposedly a choice. What we fail to see is the fact that it's usually a choice when all other choices fail. We need to stop portraying sex as a need/demand and we need to stop acting like this is normal. This is objectifying women and sometimes men and this is happening all around the world. People need to know that this isn't normal. Because like I've said before in other posts, the first step to fixing a problem is acknowledging we have one.
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8/13/2016 12:22:27 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 12:10:18 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
I haven't looked to hard into this but yes. Equal chance though? I don't think so. Since equality has equal opportunities in its definition. Women should have equal chances at things men have chances at. For example firefighters. A friends of mine who was a girl was in fire fighter school and she said there was an extremely old fashioned fire fighter who was judging them upon physical fitness and the old fashioned fire fighter was especially hard against all the women in the class. Equal chance is something we are striving for.

I agree with most of your points apart from this one..well I do agree to a certain extent, but not entirely. Women are kinda physically weaker, so I suppose that's why fire fighters tend to be harder on women. I think men and women both have their biological physical advantages, and male fire fighters tend to be stronger than their female counterparts. What do you think about that?
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8/13/2016 12:38:45 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/12/2016 10:22:18 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 8/12/2016 9:25:33 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

What's your opinion on pornography?

I don't like it because it objectifies both men and women for degrading acts.

If a man or woman likes having semen on their face then how in that moment they are being degraded if they choose to engage in that activity and enjoy it? Or are you defining what is degrading based on how you see it for yourself?
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8/13/2016 12:41:12 AM
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Two part question

1) I'm an egalitarian and so I want to ask why feminists are not entirely egalitarian?

2) I see feminism in terms of white middle class women type feminism with that being said, why do feminists try to mold other women of different cultures who have lived in those cultures to think as women of the west?
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8/13/2016 1:23:35 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 12:10:18 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Why exactly do you think feminism is needed nowadays?
Because some countries still have patriarchy. Because in some countries girls aren't given the same opportunities as boys. In some countries girls are denied education. I think it's important for these women to have an equal shot at life.
However, a lot of feminist advocacy is specifically focused on western countries. How is that explained, exactly?
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8/13/2016 1:32:22 AM
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At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.
What is your opinion on men?
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8/13/2016 1:34:41 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 12:22:27 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 8/13/2016 12:10:18 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
I haven't looked to hard into this but yes. Equal chance though? I don't think so. Since equality has equal opportunities in its definition. Women should have equal chances at things men have chances at. For example firefighters. A friends of mine who was a girl was in fire fighter school and she said there was an extremely old fashioned fire fighter who was judging them upon physical fitness and the old fashioned fire fighter was especially hard against all the women in the class. Equal chance is something we are striving for.

I agree with most of your points apart from this one..well I do agree to a certain extent, but not entirely. Women are kinda physically weaker, so I suppose that's why fire fighters tend to be harder on women. I think men and women both have their biological physical advantages, and male fire fighters tend to be stronger than their female counterparts. What do you think about that?

She passed the fitness test which proves she's just as good as her male peers. I agree that men are physically stronger but fire fighting isn't like weight lifting. Women can be fire fighters. But she said that the fire fighter who taught her class was extremely hard upon all the females in the class and she's a very down to earth kind of person. She's not some kind of what you would depict as your stereotypical damsel in distress. If she were she wouldn't have been a fire fighter.
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8/13/2016 1:45:32 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 12:38:45 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/12/2016 10:22:18 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 8/12/2016 9:25:33 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

What's your opinion on pornography?

I don't like it because it objectifies both men and women for degrading acts.

If a man or woman likes having semen on their face then how in that moment they are being degraded if they choose to engage in that activity and enjoy it? Or are you defining what is degrading based on how you see it for yourself?

I don't condemn them. This is my opinion. Am I not allowed to have an opinion? If they like that, ok. But this has to do with the issue of the sex industry and trafficking sex. I've already posted on this from up above but to say it short. These people are being objectified in a degrading manner and being sold becuase of the supposed need/demand. These people are being degraded to the equivalent of sex toys. Is that not degrading? If they enjoy it, ok. But if they are not consenting to this, if they have come into this industry becuase they have no other choice, if they were forcfully put in this industry, etc. that is not ok.
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8/13/2016 1:52:00 AM
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At 8/13/2016 12:41:12 AM, Hiu wrote:
Two part question

1) I'm an egalitarian and so I want to ask why feminists are not entirely egalitarian?

2) I see feminism in terms of white middle class women type feminism with that being said, why do feminists try to mold other women of different cultures who have lived in those cultures to think as women of the west?

1) An egalitarian believes all people should have equal rights, right? I like to think of feminism as a specific branch of egalitarianism. Although I haven't looked up which came first. Just like MRA's are kind of like a specific branch of egalitarianism. The problem with egalitarianism is that its very broad. It's not just about men and women, its about whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Muslims, Christians, atheists, etc. Feminism is like focusing on that specific branch, BLM is focusing on another specific branch and so on.

2) Why has the west tried to Mold other people to think like them? Maybe its becuase they think they're superior? I don't know. Are you trying to imply that only women do that? I think the main reason why anybody would try and mood another person to think like them is becuase they think its a better way of thinking or more superior. Just like if a Muslim was trying to convert you to their religion.
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8/13/2016 1:52:37 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 1:34:41 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 8/13/2016 12:22:27 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 8/13/2016 12:10:18 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
I haven't looked to hard into this but yes. Equal chance though? I don't think so. Since equality has equal opportunities in its definition. Women should have equal chances at things men have chances at. For example firefighters. A friends of mine who was a girl was in fire fighter school and she said there was an extremely old fashioned fire fighter who was judging them upon physical fitness and the old fashioned fire fighter was especially hard against all the women in the class. Equal chance is something we are striving for.

I agree with most of your points apart from this one..well I do agree to a certain extent, but not entirely. Women are kinda physically weaker, so I suppose that's why fire fighters tend to be harder on women. I think men and women both have their biological physical advantages, and male fire fighters tend to be stronger than their female counterparts. What do you think about that?

She passed the fitness test which proves she's just as good as her male peers. I agree that men are physically stronger but fire fighting isn't like weight lifting. Women can be fire fighters. But she said that the fire fighter who taught her class was extremely hard upon all the females in the class and she's a very down to earth kind of person. She's not some kind of what you would depict as your stereotypical damsel in distress. If she were she wouldn't have been a fire fighter.

Just because it isn't weight lifting, it doesn't mean that they don't need physical strength. Men are both physically stronger and also faster. While technique plays a huge role on the job, when technique fails, strength must step in. Strength can help firefighters force open a door or get a portable ladder to a location. Though teamwork is essential at fires and sometimes there is help nearby for extremely difficult tasks, often it's just one firefighter standing between a civilian - or a fellow firefighter - and a horrible death. They can't lower their standards to fit women's biological traits.

I'm glad she passed though, since she fit the standard requirements.
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8/13/2016 1:59:41 AM
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At 8/13/2016 1:23:35 AM, Torton wrote:
At 8/13/2016 12:10:18 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Why exactly do you think feminism is needed nowadays?
Because some countries still have patriarchy. Because in some countries girls aren't given the same opportunities as boys. In some countries girls are denied education. I think it's important for these women to have an equal shot at life.
However, a lot of feminist advocacy is specifically focused on western countries. How is that explained, exactly?

Becuase although equality has equal rights in the definition, it also has equal opportunities and women still do not always have an equal chance at getting certain jobs. Like my fire fighting example from up above. This is the problem with today is that we are so focused on the west, we sometimes miss out that there are other countries out there that need help. I've been to Haiti and one of the most ironic thing if you could count this as sad is how close they are to paradise, yet they are so far from it. One side of the island is populated with Haitians and there is garbage all over the beaches and river and on the other side of the island, its like a tropical paradise. So much money went into Haiti when that earthquake happened and so far nothing happened. I've heard it from a person in Haiti who has enough power and is well respected in Haiti that he could have been the next leader/president of Haiti if he wanted to, that the amount of donations and money that was donated to Haiti could have bought each person in Haiti a wonderful house. Yet I've seen where they live, they're not wonderful houses, so where did the money go? And now not a lot of people care about Haiti anymore.
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8/13/2016 2:08:41 AM
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At 8/13/2016 1:32:22 AM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.
What is your opinion on men?

I like men. Some are stuck up though *ahem* Donald Trump *cough* But a lot of are very nice. I don't see them as potential rapists. But I do lock my doors becuase that's a silly precaution not to take. Everyone does it. Just becuase I am a feminist doesn't mean I automatically hate men. Were you assuming that I did? I do have one issue with men though. They never talk about their issues but then they expect them to be solved by feminists. The MRA's are too preoccupied with trying to point out the latest outrageous thing that some stupid feminazi out there stated to the media. Very few men's issues get talked about. That's a problem becuase people have to realize that nowadays, women aren't the only victims, men are too. But it will take a while and I was speaking to a man who had this issue. He complained that feminists ignored men's issues. I don't ignore men's issues but I said, if you want to fix these issues, someone who knows about these issues has to start the talk. This isn't going to be an easy joy ride that'll fix all of men's issues in a night. It will take time. If you dont talk about these issues becuase you don't want to wait that long, don't complain when nothing gets fixed.
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8/13/2016 2:15:12 AM
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At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

What type of mental disorder do you have?
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8/13/2016 2:19:58 AM
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At 8/13/2016 2:15:12 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

What type of mental disorder do you have?

I am not a man hating feminist, so please do not judge me for what another feminist said or did. As for the mental disorder, to tell you the truth, I don't know. Becuase it has not been diagnosed and I am not sure a self diagnosed mental disorder is a real one.
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8/13/2016 7:49:16 AM
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At 8/13/2016 1:45:32 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 8/13/2016 12:38:45 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/12/2016 10:22:18 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 8/12/2016 9:25:33 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 8/12/2016 6:10:05 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Do your best. I've seen worse.

What's your opinion on pornography?

I don't like it because it objectifies both men and women for degrading acts.

If a man or woman likes having semen on their face then how in that moment they are being degraded if they choose to engage in that activity and enjoy it? Or are you defining what is degrading based on how you see it for yourself?

I don't condemn them. This is my opinion. Am I not allowed to have an opinion? If they like that, ok. But this has to do with the issue of the sex industry and trafficking sex. I've already posted on this from up above but to say it short. These people are being objectified in a degrading manner and being sold becuase of the supposed need/demand. These people are being degraded to the equivalent of sex toys. Is that not degrading? If they enjoy it, ok. But if they are not consenting to this, if they have come into this industry becuase they have no other choice, if they were forcfully put in this industry, etc. that is not ok.

Well in the porn industry all participants are consenting to the acts of sex, therefore how can we therefore assume that they are being degraded? This isn't about discussing about sex trafficking I'm merely targeting pornography. We can assume that all participants who are getting paid and videotaped have consented into the specific sex acts. With that being said, where is the degradation if these are willing participants?
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8/13/2016 7:54:31 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 1:52:00 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 8/13/2016 12:41:12 AM, Hiu wrote:
Two part question

1) I'm an egalitarian and so I want to ask why feminists are not entirely egalitarian?

2) I see feminism in terms of white middle class women type feminism with that being said, why do feminists try to mold other women of different cultures who have lived in those cultures to think as women of the west?

1) An egalitarian believes all people should have equal rights, right? I like to think of feminism as a specific branch of egalitarianism. Although I haven't looked up which came first. Just like MRA's are kind of like a specific branch of egalitarianism. The problem with egalitarianism is that its very broad. It's not just about men and women, its about whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Muslims, Christians, atheists, etc. Feminism is like focusing on that specific branch, BLM is focusing on another specific branch and so on.

2) Why has the west tried to Mold other people to think like them? Maybe its becuase they think they're superior? I don't know. Are you trying to imply that only women do that? I think the main reason why anybody would try and mood another person to think like them is becuase they think its a better way of thinking or more superior. Just like if a Muslim was trying to convert you to their religion.

Regarding 1) I doubt MRA and Feminism are branches of egalitarianism due to the fact that these philosophies run counter to each other. MRA doesn't necessarily support feminism as its practiced philosophically today and the same with feminists and MRA's.

Regarding 2) I do believe feminist activist do interfere with cultures they believe to be misogynists by imparting their own ideals upon all other cultures is my point. After 9/11 many activists took to Afghanistan to try and convince Afghanistanian women about Islamic etiquette and attire. Islam has been around longer than the concept of feminism and in actuality, Islam has some radical ideals during its arrival regarding women's rights and what is owed to women. I find it ironic these particular activists are trying to under what was 1,500 years old.
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8/13/2016 10:30:26 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 7:54:31 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/13/2016 1:52:00 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 8/13/2016 12:41:12 AM, Hiu wrote:
Two part question

1) I'm an egalitarian and so I want to ask why feminists are not entirely egalitarian?

2) I see feminism in terms of white middle class women type feminism with that being said, why do feminists try to mold other women of different cultures who have lived in those cultures to think as women of the west?

1) An egalitarian believes all people should have equal rights, right? I like to think of feminism as a specific branch of egalitarianism. Although I haven't looked up which came first. Just like MRA's are kind of like a specific branch of egalitarianism. The problem with egalitarianism is that its very broad. It's not just about men and women, its about whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Muslims, Christians, atheists, etc. Feminism is like focusing on that specific branch, BLM is focusing on another specific branch and so on.

2) Why has the west tried to Mold other people to think like them? Maybe its becuase they think they're superior? I don't know. Are you trying to imply that only women do that? I think the main reason why anybody would try and mood another person to think like them is becuase they think its a better way of thinking or more superior. Just like if a Muslim was trying to convert you to their religion.

Regarding 1) I doubt MRA and Feminism are branches of egalitarianism due to the fact that these philosophies run counter to each other. MRA doesn't necessarily support feminism as its practiced philosophically today and the same with feminists and MRA's.

I have no idea how feminism became an ideology. It was supposed to be a movement, yet now some people are looked down upon by certain feminists, for not being feminists. It's like some of them think that the thought of wanting equal rights is inherently exclusive to feminism, which is not the case. Most of your arguments are quite compelling, I agree with you on the majority of things you've said.
"It's interesting to observe that almost all truly worthy men have simple manners, and that simple manners are almost always taken as a sign of little worth" - Giacomo Leopardi

"It is more honorable to be raised to a throne than to be born to one. Fortune bestows the one, merit obtains the other." - Francesco Petrarca

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8/13/2016 10:48:20 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 10:30:26 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 8/13/2016 7:54:31 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/13/2016 1:52:00 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 8/13/2016 12:41:12 AM, Hiu wrote:
Two part question

1) I'm an egalitarian and so I want to ask why feminists are not entirely egalitarian?

2) I see feminism in terms of white middle class women type feminism with that being said, why do feminists try to mold other women of different cultures who have lived in those cultures to think as women of the west?

1) An egalitarian believes all people should have equal rights, right? I like to think of feminism as a specific branch of egalitarianism. Although I haven't looked up which came first. Just like MRA's are kind of like a specific branch of egalitarianism. The problem with egalitarianism is that its very broad. It's not just about men and women, its about whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Muslims, Christians, atheists, etc. Feminism is like focusing on that specific branch, BLM is focusing on another specific branch and so on.

2) Why has the west tried to Mold other people to think like them? Maybe its becuase they think they're superior? I don't know. Are you trying to imply that only women do that? I think the main reason why anybody would try and mood another person to think like them is becuase they think its a better way of thinking or more superior. Just like if a Muslim was trying to convert you to their religion.

Regarding 1) I doubt MRA and Feminism are branches of egalitarianism due to the fact that these philosophies run counter to each other. MRA doesn't necessarily support feminism as its practiced philosophically today and the same with feminists and MRA's.

I have no idea how feminism became an ideology. It was supposed to be a movement, yet now some people are looked down upon by certain feminists, for not being feminists. It's like some of them think that the thought of wanting equal rights is inherently exclusive to feminism, which is not the case. Most of your arguments are quite compelling, I agree with you on the majority of things you've said.

Thanks, but what I find compelling in what you wrote is what you said in the following:

"the thought of wanting equal rights is inherently exclusive to feminism...."

Some feminist state that feminism by definition means equality period.
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8/13/2016 10:59:22 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/13/2016 10:48:20 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/13/2016 10:30:26 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 8/13/2016 7:54:31 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/13/2016 1:52:00 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 8/13/2016 12:41:12 AM, Hiu wrote:
Two part question

1) I'm an egalitarian and so I want to ask why feminists are not entirely egalitarian?

2) I see feminism in terms of white middle class women type feminism with that being said, why do feminists try to mold other women of different cultures who have lived in those cultures to think as women of the west?

1) An egalitarian believes all people should have equal rights, right? I like to think of feminism as a specific branch of egalitarianism. Although I haven't looked up which came first. Just like MRA's are kind of like a specific branch of egalitarianism. The problem with egalitarianism is that its very broad. It's not just about men and women, its about whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Muslims, Christians, atheists, etc. Feminism is like focusing on that specific branch, BLM is focusing on another specific branch and so on.

2) Why has the west tried to Mold other people to think like them? Maybe its becuase they think they're superior? I don't know. Are you trying to imply that only women do that? I think the main reason why anybody would try and mood another person to think like them is becuase they think its a better way of thinking or more superior. Just like if a Muslim was trying to convert you to their religion.

Regarding 1) I doubt MRA and Feminism are branches of egalitarianism due to the fact that these philosophies run counter to each other. MRA doesn't necessarily support feminism as its practiced philosophically today and the same with feminists and MRA's.

I have no idea how feminism became an ideology. It was supposed to be a movement, yet now some people are looked down upon by certain feminists, for not being feminists. It's like some of them think that the thought of wanting equal rights is inherently exclusive to feminism, which is not the case. Most of your arguments are quite compelling, I agree with you on the majority of things you've said.

Thanks, but what I find compelling in what you wrote is what you said in the following:

"the thought of wanting equal rights is inherently exclusive to feminism...."

Some feminist state that feminism by definition means equality period.

Yes, indeed. It's quite a faulty argument, in my opinion, as that's like saying that finding murder immoral, is exclusive to Christians, which is not the case. I've been told by most male and female feminists I've talked to, that I have internalized misogyny for not believing that third-wave feminism is needed in western countries. If feminists truly have different ideologies, like the fact that there are man-hating feminists, there are egalitarian feminists, intersectional feminism, female-centered feminism, etc., then I don't see how it could really be identified as an ideology in itself. I see it more as a movement, as that's what its initial purpose was. I don't know if you'd agree with that, but that's just a personal opinion.
"It's interesting to observe that almost all truly worthy men have simple manners, and that simple manners are almost always taken as a sign of little worth" - Giacomo Leopardi

"It is more honorable to be raised to a throne than to be born to one. Fortune bestows the one, merit obtains the other." - Francesco Petrarca

"You too must not count too much on your reality as you feel it today, since like yesterday, it may prove an illusion for you tomorrow." - Luigi Pirandello