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1/4/2011 9:43:02 AM
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Compare the average intelligence test scores of blacks and whites during their senior years in high school and whites tend to outscore blacks by as many as 15 IQ points. But send those students to college and the IQ scores of black students who graduate increase more than four times as much as those of their white college classmates, effectively cutting the black-white IQ gap in half by graduation.

This is one of the key findings of Washington University research

"We would argue that the constraint of inferior education for blacks at the high school level is largely removed during the college years," Myerson said. "Consequently, black students are able to more fully develop their potential in terms of cognitive ability. The result is that at the end of four years of higher education, black students' intelligence test scores more closely resemble their white counterparts' scores."

Challenging 'The Bell Curve': College education halves black, white IQ score gap

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1/4/2011 9:46:25 AM
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It's like I've been trying point out to Sieben... He's looking at raw data without considering factors. Just looking at IQ scores doesn't tell the whole story.
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1/4/2011 9:57:09 AM
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At 1/4/2011 9:46:25 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
It's like I've been trying point out to Sieben... He's looking at raw data without considering factors. Just looking at IQ scores doesn't tell the whole story.

Exactly . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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1/4/2011 10:41:47 AM
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Okay. You found an exception to the rule. GOOD JOB. I'm not saying blacks will always be stupider than whites, or that they are genetically/predestined to always be unequal. Maybe there's a pill that turns black people into geniuses! Who knows!? But the average black IQ is still 85. So suck it.
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1/4/2011 10:43:57 AM
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At 1/4/2011 10:41:47 AM, Sieben wrote:
Okay. You found an exception to the rule. GOOD JOB. I'm not saying blacks will always be stupider than whites, or that they are genetically/predestined to always be unequal. Maybe there's a pill that turns black people into geniuses! Who knows!? But the average black IQ is still 85. So suck it.

The average is higher than that of whites . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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1/4/2011 10:45:56 AM
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Okay. Maybe whites have lower IQs too. Maybe there's a place where whites have an IQ of 40. Woooooo totally trivial to the discussion of how race can be used as a proxy to estimate other metrics.
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1/4/2011 10:49:11 AM
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At 1/4/2011 10:45:56 AM, Sieben wrote:
Okay. Maybe whites have lower IQs too. Maybe there's a place where whites have an IQ of 40. Woooooo totally trivial to the discussion of how race can be used as a proxy to estimate other metrics.

So you have just refuted your AA argument . . . you got pwned fool . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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1/4/2011 10:57:22 AM
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At 1/4/2011 10:51:28 AM, Sieben wrote:
What AA argument? You know what, nevermind. You are a total waste of time and space.

Just accept the fact you have been pwned and go home . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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1/5/2011 12:21:04 AM
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I don't know what the prior argument is, but the main problem with blacks has nothing to do with the ones that make it to college. The problem is with the giant chunk of ghetto dwellers who perpetuate a culture of selfishness and laziness and rob their innocent children of a good future.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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1/5/2011 12:59:36 AM
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At 1/5/2011 12:21:04 AM, Kleptin wrote:
I don't know what the prior argument is, but the main problem with blacks has nothing to do with the ones that make it to college. The problem is with the giant chunk of ghetto dwellers who perpetuate a culture of selfishness and laziness and rob their innocent children of a good future.

This
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1/5/2011 1:04:43 AM
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At 1/5/2011 12:21:04 AM, Kleptin wrote:
I don't know what the prior argument is, but the main problem with blacks has nothing to do with the ones that make it to college. The problem is with the giant chunk of ghetto dwellers who perpetuate a culture of selfishness and laziness and rob their innocent children of a good future.

How are their children robbed of a good future? Does that mean that their children are not to blame if they become "lazy" and "selfish"?
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1/5/2011 1:13:06 AM
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At 1/5/2011 1:04:43 AM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/5/2011 12:21:04 AM, Kleptin wrote:
I don't know what the prior argument is, but the main problem with blacks has nothing to do with the ones that make it to college. The problem is with the giant chunk of ghetto dwellers who perpetuate a culture of selfishness and laziness and rob their innocent children of a good future.

How are their children robbed of a good future? Does that mean that their children are not to blame if they become "lazy" and "selfish"?

Their children are robbed of a good future because they have no fathers, no money, and no connections. They live in squalid environments because the father is in jail.

I think the children are equally to blame if not more so because they are allowed to see the consequences of their father's poor actions.
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1/5/2011 9:32:36 AM
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At 1/5/2011 1:13:06 AM, wamba wrote:
At 1/5/2011 1:04:43 AM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/5/2011 12:21:04 AM, Kleptin wrote:
I don't know what the prior argument is, but the main problem with blacks has nothing to do with the ones that make it to college. The problem is with the giant chunk of ghetto dwellers who perpetuate a culture of selfishness and laziness and rob their innocent children of a good future.

How are their children robbed of a good future? Does that mean that their children are not to blame if they become "lazy" and "selfish"?

Their children are robbed of a good future because they have no fathers, no money, and no connections. They live in squalid environments because the father is in jail.

I think the children are equally to blame if not more so because they are allowed to see the consequences of their father's poor actions.

This, on both counts. A child growing up in bad conditions will likely be denied his chance to break the cycle personally. The ease with which a person can break the poverty cycle depends on how much his or her parents sacrifice.

A child growing up in poverty can simply sacrifice his own pleasures in life for the next generation, and the poverty cycle is broken. The problem is, you don't see this very often. They have a culture of selfishness and laziness. They won't sacrifice anything more than necessary for keeping their kids alive.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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1/5/2011 2:35:15 PM
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At 1/5/2011 9:32:36 AM, Kleptin wrote:
At 1/5/2011 1:13:06 AM, wamba wrote:
At 1/5/2011 1:04:43 AM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/5/2011 12:21:04 AM, Kleptin wrote:

This, on both counts. A child growing up in bad conditions will likely be denied his chance to break the cycle personally. The ease with which a person can break the poverty cycle depends on how much his or her parents sacrifice.

A child growing up in poverty can simply sacrifice his own pleasures in life for the next generation, and the poverty cycle is broken. The problem is, you don't see this very often. They have a culture of selfishness and laziness. They won't sacrifice anything more than necessary for keeping their kids alive.

And why/how exactly is this culture of laziness so profound among blacks?
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1/5/2011 4:13:58 PM
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At 1/5/2011 12:21:04 AM, Kleptin wrote:
I don't know what the prior argument is, but the main problem with blacks has nothing to do with the ones that make it to college. The problem is with the giant chunk of ghetto dwellers who perpetuate a culture of selfishness and laziness and rob their innocent children of a good future.

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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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1/5/2011 9:38:11 PM
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At 1/5/2011 4:13:58 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
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http://hypocrisy.com...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com...
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I hope you don't take offense, but I'm not going to click on a single one of these links. It's a policy of mine to ignore responses that are 100% unoriginal *and* require me to do work.

If you have a point, can you please write it out and just extract what you need from these links?
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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1/5/2011 9:41:05 PM
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At 1/5/2011 2:35:15 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
And why/how exactly is this culture of laziness so profound among blacks?

I don't know, and I honestly don't care. If you're attempting to extrapolate the situation back to slavery, I don't think it will work. The culture of laziness is optional. You can choose whether to reject it or accept it. Values can be chosen, and the blacks who can't break out of the poverty cycle have chosen to be lazy instead of sacrificing their own happiness for their children.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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1/5/2011 9:46:22 PM
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1/5/2011 9:46:23 PM
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At 1/5/2011 9:41:05 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Values can be chosen, and the blacks who can't break out of the poverty cycle have :chosen to be lazy instead of sacrificing their own happiness for their children.

*facepalm*
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1/5/2011 9:48:55 PM
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At 1/5/2011 9:46:23 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 1/5/2011 9:41:05 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Values can be chosen, and the blacks who can't break out of the poverty cycle have :chosen to be lazy instead of sacrificing their own happiness for their children.

*facepalm*

Let me help you with that.

*Slaps you in the face*
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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1/6/2011 9:02:09 AM
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Kleptin---you use the word "black" in the broadest sense of the term. Americans are not the only black people and not all blacks have the same culture.
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1/6/2011 10:28:35 AM
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At 1/6/2011 9:02:09 AM, TulleKrazy wrote:
Kleptin---you use the word "black" in the broadest sense of the term. Americans are not the only black people and not all blacks have the same culture.

tell me you don't actually want use the term "African-American"
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1/6/2011 11:16:33 AM
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At 1/6/2011 10:28:35 AM, wamba wrote:
At 1/6/2011 9:02:09 AM, TulleKrazy wrote:
Kleptin---you use the word "black" in the broadest sense of the term. Americans are not the only black people and not all blacks have the same culture.

tell me you don't actually want use the term "African-American":

I can't stand that term.
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1/6/2011 11:26:03 AM
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At 1/6/2011 9:02:09 AM, TulleKrazy wrote:
Kleptin---you use the word "black" in the broadest sense of the term. Americans are not the only black people and not all blacks have the same culture.

No, I use the word "black" in the most obvious sense of the term.

No offense, but I'm pissed because I don't see why we always have to get into a semantic diversion with this PC idiocy. This discussion is the outgrowth of about 4 or 5 previous ones. We did not suddenly decide to talk about Blacks from the West Indies or recent African immigrants. I'm fairly certain we all know what type of "blacks" I'm talking about. African-American, slave-descended, low-income urban dwelling blacks.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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1/6/2011 11:34:12 AM
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At 1/5/2011 9:46:23 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 1/5/2011 9:41:05 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Values can be chosen, and the blacks who can't break out of the poverty cycle have :chosen to be lazy instead of sacrificing their own happiness for their children.

*facepalm*

Thank you, PCP. That's exactly what I was thinking.
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1/6/2011 11:39:02 AM
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At 1/5/2011 9:32:36 AM, Kleptin wrote:
The ease with which a person can break the poverty cycle depends on how much his or her parents sacrifice.

A child growing up in poverty can simply sacrifice his own pleasures in life for the next generation, and the poverty cycle is broken.

Kleptin, you're a pharmacy student and you expect people to take your opinion seriously on science issues because you take a lot of medical classes. I can accept that. But this is probably some of the most ignorant stuff you've ever posted. I take a lot of Women's Studies classes, and every single one of them integrates class and racial struggle to the curriculum because it's entirely pertinent. As such, I happen to know a lot about this issue, and trust me when I say that this is just straight up BULLSH!T. If you expect people to value your opinion in certain areas because of your education (and you do... just yesterday you were mentioning your Christian classes in a religious discussion) then I can just as easily cite DOZENS of courses that have taught me the exact OPPOSITE of the stuff you're spewing here.
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