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8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

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When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/27/2016 7:14:06 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Agree, I believe in equality of opportunity for everyone, but that does not mean every opportunity is equally suitable.

I am perfectly happy with a male nurse with good bedside manner and empathy or a female fireman (officer?), who stand up to the physical requirements of the role.

But in general Men and women are different, both physically in height, body fat and muscle, etc, and mentally influenced by hormone's, such as testosterone's link to aggressive behavior (not all aggression is bad).

this has led me to the belief that equality is a goal to aim for, but unless we somehow remove the differences that define the 2 sexes their will always be roles and jobs in society were a bias will be present.
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8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.
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8/28/2016 8:21:46 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
I accept that men and women are different physically and mentally.

I see societal roles for the two sexes in a free society as a minimum standard but not necessarily an absolute rule. Exceptions are very prevalent and welcome as long as it's the personal choice of the individual.
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8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/29/2016 3:44:10 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

Men and women are different biologically, as well.

This is just a product of Darwinism and natural selection. Men had to go out and find food. Women had to nurture the children. Men had to court females, get good jobs, and become rich and wealthy eventually. Women needed to choose the right males so that they won't be stuck alone with a child and nowhere to go.

These historically different specializations created men that were physically larger, taller and fit then women and on average more risk taking and even creative--sorry if this is reaching controversial territory but then again the vast vast vast majority of inventors or composers or major artists were men. It created women that were better nurturers, had more feeling, that also matured quicker mentally than men and reached puberty faster.
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8/29/2016 9:33:02 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 3:44:10 AM, Upiter wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

Men and women are different biologically, as well.

This is just a product of Darwinism and natural selection. Men had to go out and find food. Women had to nurture the children. Men had to court females, get good jobs, and become rich and wealthy eventually. Women needed to choose the right males so that they won't be stuck alone with a child and nowhere to go.

These historically different specializations created men that were physically larger, taller and fit then women and on average more risk taking and even creative--sorry if this is reaching controversial territory but then again the vast vast vast majority of inventors or composers or major artists were men. It created women that were better nurturers, had more feeling, that also matured quicker mentally than men and reached puberty faster.

They're wrong physically as I said in my comment if you read it...

The premise of you're arguement is wrong. 1. Lots of psychology studies have proved that fathers can raise babies just as well as mothers the maternal instinct is equal to the paternal instinct. 2. If this is so called what should happened why are there numerous numerous matriacal tribes with men staying at home taking care of the children while they hunt.

You're stereotyping based of assumptions.
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8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.
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8/29/2016 10:14:57 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

Not to me it isn't. Vive la difference.
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8/29/2016 11:51:51 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

That makes more sense, but it isn't what you wrote. Thanks for clarifying.
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/29/2016 1:02:27 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

I would like to take a moment to point out that up to this point, you alone misunderstood what you wrote. Your claim of extensive research on this subject is neither believed, impressive, nor does it alter the facts. Men and women process information differently, resulting in behavioral differences. Women don't learn to hear, "I hate you and you're ugly," when they are asked, "You look tired. Are you okay?" It's not learned, it's behavior based on biology. Men don't learn to see the funny side of tragic events. It's behavior based on biology. You don't need to like it. You only need to suffer through it until life ends.
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/29/2016 2:17:56 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 1:02:27 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

I would like to take a moment to point out that up to this point, you alone misunderstood what you wrote. Your claim of extensive research on this subject is neither believed, impressive, nor does it alter the facts. Men and women process information differently, resulting in behavioral differences. Women don't learn to hear, "I hate you and you're ugly," when they are asked, "You look tired. Are you okay?" It's not learned, it's behavior based on biology. Men don't learn to see the funny side of tragic events. It's behavior based on biology. You don't need to like it. You only need to suffer through it until life ends.

Show evidence representing the entire universal population of earth. If not. Then I'm afraid you can't make those types of assumptions.
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8/29/2016 2:20:08 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 11:51:51 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

That makes more sense, but it isn't what you wrote. Thanks for clarifying.

Let me just clarify myself. I meant in my previous comment there are only social differences due to the society. But there are no actual biological differences so thus men and women themselves are on the same level.
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8/29/2016 2:23:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 2:17:56 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 1:02:27 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

I would like to take a moment to point out that up to this point, you alone misunderstood what you wrote. Your claim of extensive research on this subject is neither believed, impressive, nor does it alter the facts. Men and women process information differently, resulting in behavioral differences. Women don't learn to hear, "I hate you and you're ugly," when they are asked, "You look tired. Are you okay?" It's not learned, it's behavior based on biology. Men don't learn to see the funny side of tragic events. It's behavior based on biology. You don't need to like it. You only need to suffer through it until life ends.

Show evidence representing the entire universal population of earth. If not. Then I'm afraid you can't make those types of assumptions. I also recognize any request to demonstrate proof I have interviewed every living soul, past and present, for what it is. A vain attempt to defend an indefensible position without mounting a defense.

You neither understand what you wrote, nor what I wrote. I made it clear it is the norm, not without exception. You have comprehension problems.
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/29/2016 2:29:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 2:23:50 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:17:56 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 1:02:27 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

I would like to take a moment to point out that up to this point, you alone misunderstood what you wrote. Your claim of extensive research on this subject is neither believed, impressive, nor does it alter the facts. Men and women process information differently, resulting in behavioral differences. Women don't learn to hear, "I hate you and you're ugly," when they are asked, "You look tired. Are you okay?" It's not learned, it's behavior based on biology. Men don't learn to see the funny side of tragic events. It's behavior based on biology. You don't need to like it. You only need to suffer through it until life ends.

Show evidence representing the entire universal population of earth. If not. Then I'm afraid you can't make those types of assumptions. I also recognize any request to demonstrate proof I have interviewed every living soul, past and present, for what it is. A vain attempt to defend an indefensible position without mounting a defense.

You neither understand what you wrote, nor what I wrote. I made it clear it is the norm, not without exception. You have comprehension problems.

I understand everything I wrote and everything you wrote you can't seem to comprehend my side of the argument clearly. You're making assumptions in the way women and men behave and assuming its true and from biology. Nor backing this up with any evidence.

Remember you need evidence to come with supposed 'facts' or it never happened.

And wow you change what I wrote in your quote that's a pretty desperate tactic.
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8/29/2016 2:38:05 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 2:29:22 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:23:50 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:17:56 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 1:02:27 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

I would like to take a moment to point out that up to this point, you alone misunderstood what you wrote. Your claim of extensive research on this subject is neither believed, impressive, nor does it alter the facts. Men and women process information differently, resulting in behavioral differences. Women don't learn to hear, "I hate you and you're ugly," when they are asked, "You look tired. Are you okay?" It's not learned, it's behavior based on biology. Men don't learn to see the funny side of tragic events. It's behavior based on biology. You don't need to like it. You only need to suffer through it until life ends.

Show evidence representing the entire universal population of earth. If not. Then I'm afraid you can't make those types of assumptions. I also recognize any request to demonstrate proof I have interviewed every living soul, past and present, for what it is. A vain attempt to defend an indefensible position without mounting a defense.

You neither understand what you wrote, nor what I wrote. I made it clear it is the norm, not without exception. You have comprehension problems.

I understand everything I wrote and everything you wrote you can't seem to comprehend my side of the argument clearly. You're making assumptions in the way women and men behave and assuming its true and from biology. Nor backing this up with any evidence.

Remember you need evidence to come with supposed 'facts' or it never happened.

And wow you change what I wrote in your quote that's a pretty desperate tactic.

Go away, troll.
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/29/2016 2:57:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 2:38:05 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:29:22 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:23:50 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:17:56 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 1:02:27 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

I would like to take a moment to point out that up to this point, you alone misunderstood what you wrote. Your claim of extensive research on this subject is neither believed, impressive, nor does it alter the facts. Men and women process information differently, resulting in behavioral differences. Women don't learn to hear, "I hate you and you're ugly," when they are asked, "You look tired. Are you okay?" It's not learned, it's behavior based on biology. Men don't learn to see the funny side of tragic events. It's behavior based on biology. You don't need to like it. You only need to suffer through it until life ends.

Show evidence representing the entire universal population of earth. If not. Then I'm afraid you can't make those types of assumptions. I also recognize any request to demonstrate proof I have interviewed every living soul, past and present, for what it is. A vain attempt to defend an indefensible position without mounting a defense.

You neither understand what you wrote, nor what I wrote. I made it clear it is the norm, not without exception. You have comprehension problems.

I understand everything I wrote and everything you wrote you can't seem to comprehend my side of the argument clearly. You're making assumptions in the way women and men behave and assuming its true and from biology. Nor backing this up with any evidence.

Remember you need evidence to come with supposed 'facts' or it never happened.

And wow you change what I wrote in your quote that's a pretty desperate tactic.

Go away, troll.

Says the one who edits what people say when you quote them and then go on to make up supposed 'facts' and claim rather grandly that this is all due to biology.
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8/29/2016 3:05:03 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 2:57:47 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:38:05 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:29:22 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:23:50 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:17:56 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 1:02:27 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

I would like to take a moment to point out that up to this point, you alone misunderstood what you wrote. Your claim of extensive research on this subject is neither believed, impressive, nor does it alter the facts. Men and women process information differently, resulting in behavioral differences. Women don't learn to hear, "I hate you and you're ugly," when they are asked, "You look tired. Are you okay?" It's not learned, it's behavior based on biology. Men don't learn to see the funny side of tragic events. It's behavior based on biology. You don't need to like it. You only need to suffer through it until life ends.

Show evidence representing the entire universal population of earth. If not. Then I'm afraid you can't make those types of assumptions. I also recognize any request to demonstrate proof I have interviewed every living soul, past and present, for what it is. A vain attempt to defend an indefensible position without mounting a defense.

You neither understand what you wrote, nor what I wrote. I made it clear it is the norm, not without exception. You have comprehension problems.

I understand everything I wrote and everything you wrote you can't seem to comprehend my side of the argument clearly. You're making assumptions in the way women and men behave and assuming its true and from biology. Nor backing this up with any evidence.

Remember you need evidence to come with supposed 'facts' or it never happened.

And wow you change what I wrote in your quote that's a pretty desperate tactic.

Go away, troll.

Says the one who edits what people say when you quote them and then go on to make up supposed 'facts' and claim rather grandly that this is all due to biology.

Claiming I edited your post does not make it happen. It's kind of like claiming men and women are the same doesn't make it happen. Since you are just an out and out liar, I won't be responding to you again.
When I respond with "OK" don't take it personally. I'm simply being appropriately dismissive.
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8/29/2016 3:13:42 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/29/2016 3:05:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:57:47 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:38:05 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:29:22 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:23:50 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:17:56 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 1:02:27 PM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/29/2016 9:34:41 AM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/29/2016 2:24:00 AM, Throwback wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...
Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society. But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act. I can go deeper into the subject if you like I've done quite a lot of research on it.

I don't understand why you would say men and women themselves are not different and add the explanation that they are different physically and behaviorally. That's what different is. Is it that you know they are different but want to convince yourself they are not?
Lol are you capable of reading? I said they're not different behavior wise. But they're different physical wise. Physical wise is completely irrelevant when we're talking about the sexes.

I would like to take a moment to point out that up to this point, you alone misunderstood what you wrote. Your claim of extensive research on this subject is neither believed, impressive, nor does it alter the facts. Men and women process information differently, resulting in behavioral differences. Women don't learn to hear, "I hate you and you're ugly," when they are asked, "You look tired. Are you okay?" It's not learned, it's behavior based on biology. Men don't learn to see the funny side of tragic events. It's behavior based on biology. You don't need to like it. You only need to suffer through it until life ends.

Show evidence representing the entire universal population of earth. If not. Then I'm afraid you can't make those types of assumptions. I also recognize any request to demonstrate proof I have interviewed every living soul, past and present, for what it is. A vain attempt to defend an indefensible position without mounting a defense.

You neither understand what you wrote, nor what I wrote. I made it clear it is the norm, not without exception. You have comprehension problems.

I understand everything I wrote and everything you wrote you can't seem to comprehend my side of the argument clearly. You're making assumptions in the way women and men behave and assuming its true and from biology. Nor backing this up with any evidence.

Remember you need evidence to come with supposed 'facts' or it never happened.

And wow you change what I wrote in your quote that's a pretty desperate tactic.

Go away, troll.

Says the one who edits what people say when you quote them and then go on to make up supposed 'facts' and claim rather grandly that this is all due to biology.

Claiming I edited your post does not make it happen. It's kind of like claiming men and women are the same doesn't make it happen. Since you are just an out and out liar, I won't be responding to you again.

lol what? You can scroll up and it takes 2 seconds to see it. I'll screenshot what I wrote and I'll screen shot what you replied to (takes 2 seconds to see it).

https://gyazo.com...
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And good.... You're so incredibly extreme.
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8/30/2016 2:03:53 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...

Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society.

Basic biology had nothing to do with it? Clearly men are stronger (on the whole), which lends itself to utilitarian ability. Socializing utility is not a "construct".

But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act.

This is an incoherent statement. Gender is a social construct, you can choose how you act, so this means there is some variety of "default" setting for gender, meaning its not a construct.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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8/30/2016 3:03:33 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 2:03:53 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/27/2016 9:13:21 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/27/2016 2:44:03 PM, Throwback wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...


Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society.

Basic biology had nothing to do with it? Clearly men are stronger (on the whole), which lends itself to utilitarian ability. Socializing utility is not a "construct".

But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act.

This is an incoherent statement. Gender is a social construct, you can choose how you act, so this means there is some variety of "default" setting for gender, meaning its not a construct.

I am talking about behaviour and mental not the physical side. As I previously stated.

Yes what you're writing now is incoherent it doesn't make sense. You can choose how you act so how does it mean there is a default. Sex doesn't mean there's a default on how to act if you're trying to get at that.
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8/30/2016 3:18:29 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...


Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society.

Basic biology had nothing to do with it? Clearly men are stronger (on the whole), which lends itself to utilitarian ability. Socializing utility is not a "construct".

But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act.

This is an incoherent statement. Gender is a social construct, you can choose how you act, so this means there is some variety of "default" setting for gender, meaning its not a construct.

I am talking about behaviour and mental not the physical side. As I previously stated.

I understand that. However physicality by default lends itself to mental methods and behaviors.

Yes what you're writing now is incoherent it doesn't make sense. You can choose how you act so how does it mean there is a default.

Because your are choosing something ELSE. You are choosing something (possibly) contrary to what those physical precursors would lead one to do.

To choose something, you have to make a selection between different things, correct? As a for instance, when you choose to wear clothing, the default is "nude". "Nude", by comparison for our discussion is not a social construct, its a method you would act absent choice to change a behavior. If anything, on the whole, acting contrary to your birth sex is a social construct, because its being asked/formed by others.

Sex doesn't mean there's a default on how to act if you're trying to get at that.

As a matter of fact, there is. Males vs females natural inclination due to biology is that default. Its why our ancestor's males hunted and warred vs the females doing it. The males are more inclined for such a purpose. They have hormones that induce them to such a purpose. They lack the anatomy to provide sustenance for infants, females literally get a natural high (in a wide population) when nursing their children. This isn't "society" molding a gender, its biology doing that, absent choice. The "default".
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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8/30/2016 3:28:22 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:18:29 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...


Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society.

Basic biology had nothing to do with it? Clearly men are stronger (on the whole), which lends itself to utilitarian ability. Socializing utility is not a "construct".

But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act.

This is an incoherent statement. Gender is a social construct, you can choose how you act, so this means there is some variety of "default" setting for gender, meaning its not a construct.

I am talking about behaviour and mental not the physical side. As I previously stated.

I understand that. However physicality by default lends itself to mental methods and behaviors.

Yes what you're writing now is incoherent it doesn't make sense. You can choose how you act so how does it mean there is a default.

Because your are choosing something ELSE. You are choosing something (possibly) contrary to what those physical precursors would lead one to do.

To choose something, you have to make a selection between different things, correct? As a for instance, when you choose to wear clothing, the default is "nude". "Nude", by comparison for our discussion is not a social construct, its a method you would act absent choice to change a behavior. If anything, on the whole, acting contrary to your birth sex is a social construct, because its being asked/formed by others.

Sex doesn't mean there's a default on how to act if you're trying to get at that.

As a matter of fact, there is. Males vs females natural inclination due to biology is that default. Its why our ancestor's males hunted and warred vs the females doing it. The males are more inclined for such a purpose. They have hormones that induce them to such a purpose. They lack the anatomy to provide sustenance for infants, females literally get a natural high (in a wide population) when nursing their children. This isn't "society" molding a gender, its biology doing that, absent choice. The "default".

Erhm no it doesn't physical shape doesn't mean anything. You're stronger doesn't mean you behave differently. That logic makes no sense and is based on assumptions and guesses.

Stereotyping and assuming. Mother has the equal instinct to look after the baby as the father. It also varies universally with lots of societies being matriarchal or egalitarian. There are also native tribes or other societies where men and women have gender reversal roles meaning that the dad stays at home looking after children and gossiping while the women hunt. This shows that your assertions aren't universally and are after all just assumed.
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8/30/2016 3:43:38 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:28:22 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:18:29 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...


Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society.

Basic biology had nothing to do with it? Clearly men are stronger (on the whole), which lends itself to utilitarian ability. Socializing utility is not a "construct".

But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act.

This is an incoherent statement. Gender is a social construct, you can choose how you act, so this means there is some variety of "default" setting for gender, meaning its not a construct.

I am talking about behaviour and mental not the physical side. As I previously stated.

I understand that. However physicality by default lends itself to mental methods and behaviors.

Yes what you're writing now is incoherent it doesn't make sense. You can choose how you act so how does it mean there is a default.

Because your are choosing something ELSE. You are choosing something (possibly) contrary to what those physical precursors would lead one to do.

To choose something, you have to make a selection between different things, correct? As a for instance, when you choose to wear clothing, the default is "nude". "Nude", by comparison for our discussion is not a social construct, its a method you would act absent choice to change a behavior. If anything, on the whole, acting contrary to your birth sex is a social construct, because its being asked/formed by others.

Sex doesn't mean there's a default on how to act if you're trying to get at that.

As a matter of fact, there is. Males vs females natural inclination due to biology is that default. Its why our ancestor's males hunted and warred vs the females doing it. The males are more inclined for such a purpose. They have hormones that induce them to such a purpose. They lack the anatomy to provide sustenance for infants, females literally get a natural high (in a wide population) when nursing their children. This isn't "society" molding a gender, its biology doing that, absent choice. The "default".

Erhm no it doesn't physical shape doesn't mean anything. You're stronger doesn't mean you behave differently. That logic makes no sense and is based on assumptions and guesses.

And its also not what I stated, so, moving on. In actuality, what I stated was the hormones that cause the increased strength are also what cause the behavioral methodology. I am not acting differently because I am stronger, I am acting differently because the biological impetus that gives me the muscle also dictates how I interpret stimuli and respond to it.

Stereotyping and assuming. Mother has the equal instinct to look after the baby as the father....

in the absence of the mother. They are both invested in the child's welfare. It seems axiomatic that in the absence of one, the other will do what they can to provide for a child's needs.

It also varies universally with lots of societies being matriarchal or egalitarian.

I will stand by and wait to see what evidence you produce of a successful matriarchal or egalitarian society in which their military might is comprised of 50% or more females. Casual inspection has found a handful of quasi-matriarchal societies that are... well, tribal. In the mean time, we can look around to observe mens and womens natural (read "default") inclinations, and how society benefits from it.

There are also native tribes or other societies where men and women have gender reversal roles meaning that the dad stays at home looking after children and gossiping while the women hunt. This shows that your assertions aren't universally and are after all just assumed.

How successful are those native tribes if they are just... ya know, native tribes? They chose not to go with the "default" of biology, instead chose a new construction, and.... viola!

Tribal community.

I'll pass.
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8/30/2016 4:00:13 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 3:43:38 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:28:22 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/30/2016 3:18:29 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...


Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society.

Basic biology had nothing to do with it? Clearly men are stronger (on the whole), which lends itself to utilitarian ability. Socializing utility is not a "construct".

But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act.

This is an incoherent statement. Gender is a social construct, you can choose how you act, so this means there is some variety of "default" setting for gender, meaning its not a construct.

I am talking about behaviour and mental not the physical side. As I previously stated.

I understand that. However physicality by default lends itself to mental methods and behaviors.

Yes what you're writing now is incoherent it doesn't make sense. You can choose how you act so how does it mean there is a default.

Because your are choosing something ELSE. You are choosing something (possibly) contrary to what those physical precursors would lead one to do.

To choose something, you have to make a selection between different things, correct? As a for instance, when you choose to wear clothing, the default is "nude". "Nude", by comparison for our discussion is not a social construct, its a method you would act absent choice to change a behavior. If anything, on the whole, acting contrary to your birth sex is a social construct, because its being asked/formed by others.

Sex doesn't mean there's a default on how to act if you're trying to get at that.

As a matter of fact, there is. Males vs females natural inclination due to biology is that default. Its why our ancestor's males hunted and warred vs the females doing it. The males are more inclined for such a purpose. They have hormones that induce them to such a purpose. They lack the anatomy to provide sustenance for infants, females literally get a natural high (in a wide population) when nursing their children. This isn't "society" molding a gender, its biology doing that, absent choice. The "default".

Erhm no it doesn't physical shape doesn't mean anything. You're stronger doesn't mean you behave differently. That logic makes no sense and is based on assumptions and guesses.

And its also not what I stated, so, moving on. In actuality, what I stated was the hormones that cause the increased strength are also what cause the behavioral methodology. I am not acting differently because I am stronger, I am acting differently because the biological impetus that gives me the muscle also dictates how I interpret stimuli and respond to it.

Stereotyping and assuming. Mother has the equal instinct to look after the baby as the father....

in the absence of the mother. They are both invested in the child's welfare. It seems axiomatic that in the absence of one, the other will do what they can to provide for a child's needs.

It also varies universally with lots of societies being matriarchal or egalitarian.

I will stand by and wait to see what evidence you produce of a successful matriarchal or egalitarian society in which their military might is comprised of 50% or more females. Casual inspection has found a handful of quasi-matriarchal societies that are... well, tribal. In the mean time, we can look around to observe mens and womens natural (read "default") inclinations, and how society benefits from it.


There are also native tribes or other societies where men and women have gender reversal roles meaning that the dad stays at home looking after children and gossiping while the women hunt. This shows that your assertions aren't universally and are after all just assumed.

How successful are those native tribes if they are just... ya know, native tribes? They chose not to go with the "default" of biology, instead chose a new construction, and.... viola!

Tribal community.

I'll pass.

Assuming hormonal activies influence behaviour is incredibly flawed. There are so many external and situational factors which means there is simply no evidence for this. If this was solely true then universally it would be found that men are dominant in every culture which is simply not true.
Egalitarian society.
"Maria Lugones observes that among the Yoruba people there was no concept of gender and no gender system whatsoever before colonialism."
https://en.wikipedia.org...
Matriarchal society.
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Oh your logic is just flawless, in your eyes men are filled with hormones and women the urge to have babies and nurture them. But obviously some societies will just resist the urge and the entire lifestyle and resist against nature and do the opposite. Wow that's really amazing logic. /sarcasm.
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8/30/2016 4:17:14 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...


Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society.

Basic biology had nothing to do with it? Clearly men are stronger (on the whole), which lends itself to utilitarian ability. Socializing utility is not a "construct".

But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act.

This is an incoherent statement. Gender is a social construct, you can choose how you act, so this means there is some variety of "default" setting for gender, meaning its not a construct.

I am talking about behaviour and mental not the physical side. As I previously stated.

I understand that. However physicality by default lends itself to mental methods and behaviors.

Yes what you're writing now is incoherent it doesn't make sense. You can choose how you act so how does it mean there is a default.

Because your are choosing something ELSE. You are choosing something (possibly) contrary to what those physical precursors would lead one to do.

To choose something, you have to make a selection between different things, correct? As a for instance, when you choose to wear clothing, the default is "nude". "Nude", by comparison for our discussion is not a social construct, its a method you would act absent choice to change a behavior. If anything, on the whole, acting contrary to your birth sex is a social construct, because its being asked/formed by others.

Sex doesn't mean there's a default on how to act if you're trying to get at that.

As a matter of fact, there is. Males vs females natural inclination due to biology is that default. Its why our ancestor's males hunted and warred vs the females doing it. The males are more inclined for such a purpose. They have hormones that induce them to such a purpose. They lack the anatomy to provide sustenance for infants, females literally get a natural high (in a wide population) when nursing their children. This isn't "society" molding a gender, its biology doing that, absent choice. The "default".

Erhm no it doesn't physical shape doesn't mean anything. You're stronger doesn't mean you behave differently. That logic makes no sense and is based on assumptions and guesses.

And its also not what I stated, so, moving on. In actuality, what I stated was the hormones that cause the increased strength are also what cause the behavioral methodology. I am not acting differently because I am stronger, I am acting differently because the biological impetus that gives me the muscle also dictates how I interpret stimuli and respond to it.

Stereotyping and assuming. Mother has the equal instinct to look after the baby as the father....

in the absence of the mother. They are both invested in the child's welfare. It seems axiomatic that in the absence of one, the other will do what they can to provide for a child's needs.

It also varies universally with lots of societies being matriarchal or egalitarian.

I will stand by and wait to see what evidence you produce of a successful matriarchal or egalitarian society in which their military might is comprised of 50% or more females. Casual inspection has found a handful of quasi-matriarchal societies that are... well, tribal. In the mean time, we can look around to observe mens and womens natural (read "default") inclinations, and how society benefits from it.


There are also native tribes or other societies where men and women have gender reversal roles meaning that the dad stays at home looking after children and gossiping while the women hunt. This shows that your assertions aren't universally and are after all just assumed.

How successful are those native tribes if they are just... ya know, native tribes? They chose not to go with the "default" of biology, instead chose a new construction, and.... viola!

Tribal community.

I'll pass.

Assuming hormonal activies influence behaviour is incredibly flawed.

... you're kidding, right?

There are so many external and situational factors which means there is simply no evidence for this.

... again, your kidding, right?

If this was solely true then universally it would be found that men are dominant in every culture which is simply not true.

In every successful one, at least.

Egalitarian society.
"Maria Lugones observes that among the Yoruba people there was no concept of gender and no gender system whatsoever before colonialism."
https://en.wikipedia.org...
Matriarchal society.
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Oh your logic is just flawless, in your eyes men are filled with hormones and women the urge to have babies and nurture them. But obviously some societies will just resist the urge and the entire lifestyle and resist against nature and do the opposite. Wow that's really amazing logic. /sarcasm.

And you successfully met half the challenge. Finding societies in which biologically intended roles being reversed is easy.

Finding successful ones, ones that got out of the bronze age, that are not tribal, that make use of basic benefits of society such as running water, regularly available medicine, electricity... they constructed a society contrary to biological impetus, invented different roles from the application of gender, and stagnated by comparison.

Again, I'll pass.
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8/30/2016 4:32:07 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 4:17:14 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Acknowledging that no such statement as the above is universally true, it is a fact that men and women have different methods of processing information and using it afterward. Neither method is right or wrong in and of itself. There is a place in life for each. But there are circumstances where the female mind works better, and there are places where the male mind works better.

Men and women are different.

Enjoy!: https://www.youtube.com...


Imo men and women are only only different because of how they were socialised into a society.

Basic biology had nothing to do with it? Clearly men are stronger (on the whole), which lends itself to utilitarian ability. Socializing utility is not a "construct".

But men and women themselves are not different (behaviour wise physical wise yes they're different) gender is a social construct and we can choose how we act.

This is an incoherent statement. Gender is a social construct, you can choose how you act, so this means there is some variety of "default" setting for gender, meaning its not a construct.

I am talking about behaviour and mental not the physical side. As I previously stated.

I understand that. However physicality by default lends itself to mental methods and behaviors.

Yes what you're writing now is incoherent it doesn't make sense. You can choose how you act so how does it mean there is a default.

Because your are choosing something ELSE. You are choosing something (possibly) contrary to what those physical precursors would lead one to do.

To choose something, you have to make a selection between different things, correct? As a for instance, when you choose to wear clothing, the default is "nude". "Nude", by comparison for our discussion is not a social construct, its a method you would act absent choice to change a behavior. If anything, on the whole, acting contrary to your birth sex is a social construct, because its being asked/formed by others.

Sex doesn't mean there's a default on how to act if you're trying to get at that.

As a matter of fact, there is. Males vs females natural inclination due to biology is that default. Its why our ancestor's males hunted and warred vs the females doing it. The males are more inclined for such a purpose. They have hormones that induce them to such a purpose. They lack the anatomy to provide sustenance for infants, females literally get a natural high (in a wide population) when nursing their children. This isn't "society" molding a gender, its biology doing that, absent choice. The "default".

Erhm no it doesn't physical shape doesn't mean anything. You're stronger doesn't mean you behave differently. That logic makes no sense and is based on assumptions and guesses.

And its also not what I stated, so, moving on. In actuality, what I stated was the hormones that cause the increased strength are also what cause the behavioral methodology. I am not acting differently because I am stronger, I am acting differently because the biological impetus that gives me the muscle also dictates how I interpret stimuli and respond to it.

Stereotyping and assuming. Mother has the equal instinct to look after the baby as the father....

in the absence of the mother. They are both invested in the child's welfare. It seems axiomatic that in the absence of one, the other will do what they can to provide for a child's needs.

It also varies universally with lots of societies being matriarchal or egalitarian.

I will stand by and wait to see what evidence you produce of a successful matriarchal or egalitarian society in which their military might is comprised of 50% or more females. Casual inspection has found a handful of quasi-matriarchal societies that are... well, tribal. In the mean time, we can look around to observe mens and womens natural (read "default") inclinations, and how society benefits from it.


There are also native tribes or other societies where men and women have gender reversal roles meaning that the dad stays at home looking after children and gossiping while the women hunt. This shows that your assertions aren't universally and are after all just assumed.

How successful are those native tribes if they are just... ya know, native tribes? They chose not to go with the "default" of biology, instead chose a new construction, and.... viola!

Tribal community.

I'll pass.

Assuming hormonal activies influence behaviour is incredibly flawed.

... you're kidding, right?

There are so many external and situational factors which means there is simply no evidence for this.

... again, your kidding, right?

If this was solely true then universally it would be found that men are dominant in every culture which is simply not true.

In every successful one, at least.


Egalitarian society.
"Maria Lugones observes that among the Yoruba people there was no concept of gender and no gender system whatsoever before colonialism."
https://en.wikipedia.org...
Matriarchal society.
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Oh your logic is just flawless, in your eyes men are filled with hormones and women the urge to have babies and nurture them. But obviously some societies will just resist the urge and the entire lifestyle and resist against nature and do the opposite. Wow that's really amazing logic. /sarcasm.

And you successfully met half the challenge. Finding societies in which biologically intended roles being reversed is easy.

Finding successful ones, ones that got out of the bronze age, that are not tribal, that make use of basic benefits of society such as running water, regularly available medicine, electricity... they constructed a society contrary to biological impetus, invented different roles from the application of gender, and stagnated by comparison.

Again, I'll pass.

Yes I'm serious any studies showing 'hormonal activities as dominating behaviour' can easily be addressed by other factors.

That doesn't make sense I do not care if they're successful if it exists it counts because it shows the concepts of masculinity and femininity vary universally there is no one solid idea.
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8/30/2016 4:48:53 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
in the absence of the mother. They are both invested in the child's welfare. It seems axiomatic that in the absence of one, the other will do what they can to provide for a child's needs.

It also varies universally with lots of societies being matriarchal or egalitarian.

I will stand by and wait to see what evidence you produce of a successful matriarchal or egalitarian society in which their military might is comprised of 50% or more females. Casual inspection has found a handful of quasi-matriarchal societies that are... well, tribal. In the mean time, we can look around to observe mens and womens natural (read "default") inclinations, and how society benefits from it.


There are also native tribes or other societies where men and women have gender reversal roles meaning that the dad stays at home looking after children and gossiping while the women hunt. This shows that your assertions aren't universally and are after all just assumed.

How successful are those native tribes if they are just... ya know, native tribes? They chose not to go with the "default" of biology, instead chose a new construction, and.... viola!

Tribal community.

I'll pass.

Assuming hormonal activies influence behaviour is incredibly flawed.

... you're kidding, right?

There are so many external and situational factors which means there is simply no evidence for this.

... again, your kidding, right?

If this was solely true then universally it would be found that men are dominant in every culture which is simply not true.

In every successful one, at least.


Egalitarian society.
"Maria Lugones observes that among the Yoruba people there was no concept of gender and no gender system whatsoever before colonialism."
https://en.wikipedia.org...
Matriarchal society.
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Oh your logic is just flawless, in your eyes men are filled with hormones and women the urge to have babies and nurture them. But obviously some societies will just resist the urge and the entire lifestyle and resist against nature and do the opposite. Wow that's really amazing logic. /sarcasm.

And you successfully met half the challenge. Finding societies in which biologically intended roles being reversed is easy.

Finding successful ones, ones that got out of the bronze age, that are not tribal, that make use of basic benefits of society such as running water, regularly available medicine, electricity... they constructed a society contrary to biological impetus, invented different roles from the application of gender, and stagnated by comparison.

Again, I'll pass.

Yes I'm serious any studies showing 'hormonal activities as dominating behaviour' can easily be addressed by other factors.

PMS. 'Roid Rage. Here:

Nurturing instinct being triggered in young females:

http://mashable.com...

Basic sex ed teaches you this: why do you think the "ew, boys/girls are gross" meme dies out when kids hit puberty? Do you think that a coincidence? Do you honestly need studies to tell you why that behavior changed?

Like I said, are you just kidding around, or is your ignorance of the obvious intentional?


That doesn't make sense I do not care if they're successful

I know, that's the problem.

if it exists it counts because it shows the concepts of masculinity and femininity vary universally there is no one solid idea.

Do you consider the geocentric theory to be an example of how universal models of the solar system can vary?
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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8/30/2016 4:59:44 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 4:48:53 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
in the absence of the mother. They are both invested in the child's welfare. It seems axiomatic that in the absence of one, the other will do what they can to provide for a child's needs.

It also varies universally with lots of societies being matriarchal or egalitarian.

I will stand by and wait to see what evidence you produce of a successful matriarchal or egalitarian society in which their military might is comprised of 50% or more females. Casual inspection has found a handful of quasi-matriarchal societies that are... well, tribal. In the mean time, we can look around to observe mens and womens natural (read "default") inclinations, and how society benefits from it.


There are also native tribes or other societies where men and women have gender reversal roles meaning that the dad stays at home looking after children and gossiping while the women hunt. This shows that your assertions aren't universally and are after all just assumed.

How successful are those native tribes if they are just... ya know, native tribes? They chose not to go with the "default" of biology, instead chose a new construction, and.... viola!

Tribal community.

I'll pass.

Assuming hormonal activies influence behaviour is incredibly flawed.

... you're kidding, right?

There are so many external and situational factors which means there is simply no evidence for this.

... again, your kidding, right?

If this was solely true then universally it would be found that men are dominant in every culture which is simply not true.

In every successful one, at least.


Egalitarian society.
"Maria Lugones observes that among the Yoruba people there was no concept of gender and no gender system whatsoever before colonialism."
https://en.wikipedia.org...
Matriarchal society.
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Oh your logic is just flawless, in your eyes men are filled with hormones and women the urge to have babies and nurture them. But obviously some societies will just resist the urge and the entire lifestyle and resist against nature and do the opposite. Wow that's really amazing logic. /sarcasm.

And you successfully met half the challenge. Finding societies in which biologically intended roles being reversed is easy.

Finding successful ones, ones that got out of the bronze age, that are not tribal, that make use of basic benefits of society such as running water, regularly available medicine, electricity... they constructed a society contrary to biological impetus, invented different roles from the application of gender, and stagnated by comparison.

Again, I'll pass.

Yes I'm serious any studies showing 'hormonal activities as dominating behaviour' can easily be addressed by other factors.

PMS. 'Roid Rage. Here:

Nurturing instinct being triggered in young females:

http://mashable.com...

Basic sex ed teaches you this: why do you think the "ew, boys/girls are gross" meme dies out when kids hit puberty? Do you think that a coincidence? Do you honestly need studies to tell you why that behavior changed?

Like I said, are you just kidding around, or is your ignorance of the obvious intentional?



That doesn't make sense I do not care if they're successful

I know, that's the problem.

if it exists it counts because it shows the concepts of masculinity and femininity vary universally there is no one solid idea.

Do you consider the geocentric theory to be an example of how universal models of the solar system can vary?
Cultural bound counter evidence: "Fathers of the Aka tribe spend more time in close contact to their babies than in any other known society. Aka fathers have their infant within arms reach 47% of the time [5] and make physical contact with them five times as often per day as fathers in some other societies.[3] The men also help the women, by breastfeeding their young."

And yes the fathers breastfeed their young, men can lactate. While the men look after the children. Guess who hunts? Yes the women.

You're comparing physics and space to gender and society? O.O You took this arguments to whole new heights of stupid.
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8/30/2016 5:13:02 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/30/2016 4:59:44 PM, FrostyCold wrote:
At 8/30/2016 4:48:53 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
in the absence of the mother. They are both invested in the child's welfare. It seems axiomatic that in the absence of one, the other will do what they can to provide for a child's needs.

It also varies universally with lots of societies being matriarchal or egalitarian.

I will stand by and wait to see what evidence you produce of a successful matriarchal or egalitarian society in which their military might is comprised of 50% or more females. Casual inspection has found a handful of quasi-matriarchal societies that are... well, tribal. In the mean time, we can look around to observe mens and womens natural (read "default") inclinations, and how society benefits from it.


There are also native tribes or other societies where men and women have gender reversal roles meaning that the dad stays at home looking after children and gossiping while the women hunt. This shows that your assertions aren't universally and are after all just assumed.

How successful are those native tribes if they are just... ya know, native tribes? They chose not to go with the "default" of biology, instead chose a new construction, and.... viola!

Tribal community.

I'll pass.

Assuming hormonal activies influence behaviour is incredibly flawed.

... you're kidding, right?

There are so many external and situational factors which means there is simply no evidence for this.

... again, your kidding, right?

If this was solely true then universally it would be found that men are dominant in every culture which is simply not true.

In every successful one, at least.


Egalitarian society.
"Maria Lugones observes that among the Yoruba people there was no concept of gender and no gender system whatsoever before colonialism."
https://en.wikipedia.org...
Matriarchal society.
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Oh your logic is just flawless, in your eyes men are filled with hormones and women the urge to have babies and nurture them. But obviously some societies will just resist the urge and the entire lifestyle and resist against nature and do the opposite. Wow that's really amazing logic. /sarcasm.

And you successfully met half the challenge. Finding societies in which biologically intended roles being reversed is easy.

Finding successful ones, ones that got out of the bronze age, that are not tribal, that make use of basic benefits of society such as running water, regularly available medicine, electricity... they constructed a society contrary to biological impetus, invented different roles from the application of gender, and stagnated by comparison.

Again, I'll pass.

Yes I'm serious any studies showing 'hormonal activities as dominating behaviour' can easily be addressed by other factors.

PMS. 'Roid Rage. Here:

Nurturing instinct being triggered in young females:

http://mashable.com...

Basic sex ed teaches you this: why do you think the "ew, boys/girls are gross" meme dies out when kids hit puberty? Do you think that a coincidence? Do you honestly need studies to tell you why that behavior changed?

Like I said, are you just kidding around, or is your ignorance of the obvious intentional?



That doesn't make sense I do not care if they're successful

I know, that's the problem.

if it exists it counts because it shows the concepts of masculinity and femininity vary universally there is no one solid idea.

Do you consider the geocentric theory to be an example of how universal models of the solar system can vary?
Cultural bound counter evidence: "Fathers of the Aka tribe spend more time in close contact to their babies than in any other known society. Aka fathers have their infant within arms reach 47% of the time [5] and make physical contact with them five times as often per day as fathers in some other societies.[3] The men also help the women, by breastfeeding their young."

And yes the fathers breastfeed their young, men can lactate.

Can but generally don't. Men are using their nipples as pacifiers in that tribe. Men that lactate is symptomatic of other more serious issues, but I digress.

While the men look after the children. Guess who hunts? Yes the women.

Might explain why they appear malnourished, and are, ya know, pygmies.

You're comparing physics and space to gender and society? O.O You took this arguments to whole new heights of stupid.

"new" heights of it, eh? Hm. Telling.

In any case, the merits of each are what I want to compare. I am trying to show you there had to be something to "reverse" for gender roles to be a social construct. Historically, men and women making use of their natural (read "default" biology led to societies advancing.

In each instance you have produced of a societally constructed reverse of gender roles, you have found a tribal people, seemingly unable to progress passed the bronze age.

Coincidence? I think not.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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