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9/9/2016 4:24:52 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

Outline
I. Intro
II. Animal ethics
III. Health
IV. Environment
V. Conclusion
VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.

II. Animal ethics

"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals "humanely" is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today"s business standards." [3]

Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.

III. Health

Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]

As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]

Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.

"Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. " [8]

""

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."" [9]

"The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. " [10]

Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.

IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]

V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.

VI. Sources
0. http://www.aspca.org...

1. http://humanefacts.org...

2. http://humanemyth.org...

3. http://freefromharm.org...

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov....

9. http://www.webmd.com...

10. http://www.webmd.com...
11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...
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9/9/2016 3:22:59 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 4:24:52 AM, Stupidape wrote:
Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

Outline
I. Intro
II. Animal ethics
III. Health
IV. Environment
V. Conclusion
VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.


II. Animal ethics


"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals "humanely" is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today"s business standards." [3]


Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.


III. Health


Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]


As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]


Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.



"Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. " [8]







""

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."" [9]



"The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. " [10]



Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.



IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]


V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.


VI. Sources
0. http://www.aspca.org...

1. http://humanefacts.org...

2. http://humanemyth.org...

3. http://freefromharm.org...

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov....

9. http://www.webmd.com...

10. http://www.webmd.com...
11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

I for one enjoy a good milkshake with my hamburger.
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9/9/2016 5:36:26 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 4:24:52 AM, Stupidape wrote:
Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

Outline
I. Intro
II. Animal ethics
III. Health
IV. Environment
V. Conclusion
VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.


II. Animal ethics


"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals "humanely" is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today"s business standards." [3]


Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.


III. Health


Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]


As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]


Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.



"Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. " [8]







""

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."" [9]



"The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. " [10]



Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.



IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]


V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.


VI. Sources
0. http://www.aspca.org...

1. http://humanefacts.org...

2. http://humanemyth.org...

3. http://freefromharm.org...

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov....

9. http://www.webmd.com...

10. http://www.webmd.com...
11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

I just think it helps when I'm eating spicy chicken to dull the spice a little.
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9/9/2016 6:48:06 PM
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It's simple. If it was born in captivity, it doesn't know what freedom is, and therefore doesn't care :D
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9/9/2016 9:13:44 PM
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At 9/9/2016 6:48:06 PM, Vaarka wrote:
It's simple. If it was born in captivity, it doesn't know what freedom is, and therefore doesn't care :D

How do you know that? I've been around a lot of animals, and in general they prefer freedom. Take a cat for example, confine it in a room for an hour, then let it loose. The cats I've seen will rush out of the room and seem generally happier.

As to Willows and Fernyx you don't seem to care nor acknowledge the suffering the cows endure.

http://www.humanemyth.org...
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9/10/2016 12:04:42 AM
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At 9/9/2016 4:24:52 AM, Stupidape wrote:
Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

Outline
I. Intro
II. Animal ethics
III. Health
IV. Environment
V. Conclusion
VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.


II. Animal ethics


"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals "humanely" is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today"s business standards." [3]


Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.


III. Health


Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]


As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]


Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.



"Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. " [8]







""

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."" [9]



"The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. " [10]



Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.



IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]


V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.


VI. Sources
0. http://www.aspca.org...

1. http://humanefacts.org...

2. http://humanemyth.org...

3. http://freefromharm.org...

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov....

9. http://www.webmd.com...

10. http://www.webmd.com...
11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

I disagree, but morality is subjective, so what's immoral for you, might be moral for me or vice versa.
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9/10/2016 12:28:07 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 4:24:52 AM, Stupidape wrote:
Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

You wouldn't drink milk if you were about to go into a diabetic coma, if you were low you'd drink or eat something sugary and if you were high and it was time for a correction you'd take insulin.

Outline
I. Intro
II. Animal ethics
III. Health
IV. Environment
V. Conclusion
VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.


II. Animal ethics


"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals "humanely" is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today"s business standards." [3]


Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.


III. Health


Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]


As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]


Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.



"Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. " [8]







""

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."" [9]



"The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. " [10]



Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.



IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]


V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.


VI. Sources
0. http://www.aspca.org...

1. http://humanefacts.org...

2. http://humanemyth.org...

3. http://freefromharm.org...

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov....

9. http://www.webmd.com...

10. http://www.webmd.com...
11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...
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9/10/2016 2:05:21 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 4:24:52 AM, Stupidape wrote:
Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

Outline
I. Intro
II. Animal ethics
III. Health
IV. Environment
V. Conclusion
VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.


II. Animal ethics


"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals "humanely" is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today"s business standards." [3]


Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.


III. Health


Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]


As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]


Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.



"Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. " [8]







""

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."" [9]



"The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. " [10]



Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.



IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]


V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.


VI. Sources
0. http://www.aspca.org...

1. http://humanefacts.org...

2. http://humanemyth.org...

3. http://freefromharm.org...

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov....

9. http://www.webmd.com...

10. http://www.webmd.com...
11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

If the breading and raising of domestic cows ended, cows would likely go extinct. Do you want the blood of the entire species on your hands?
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9/10/2016 2:55:10 PM
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At 9/9/2016 9:13:44 PM, Stupidape wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:48:06 PM, Vaarka wrote:
It's simple. If it was born in captivity, it doesn't know what freedom is, and therefore doesn't care :D

How do you know that? I've been around a lot of animals, and in general they prefer freedom. Take a cat for example, confine it in a room for an hour, then let it loose. The cats I've seen will rush out of the room and seem generally happier.

As to Willows and Fernyx you don't seem to care nor acknowledge the suffering the cows endure.

http://www.humanemyth.org...

Yeah, I just don't care.
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9/10/2016 6:00:36 PM
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I believe cows should be treated greatly unlike he others in the forum and I am fine with cows milk as long as they have been treated greatly.
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9/10/2016 10:33:00 PM
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At 9/9/2016 9:13:44 PM, Stupidape wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:48:06 PM, Vaarka wrote:
It's simple. If it was born in captivity, it doesn't know what freedom is, and therefore doesn't care :D

How do you know that? I've been around a lot of animals, and in general they prefer freedom. Take a cat for example, confine it in a room for an hour, then let it loose. The cats I've seen will rush out of the room and seem generally happier.
Well the cat knew freedom previously, so therefore it did care.

That, and it was a joke from Philmont. Personally, I don't have much of an opinion on this, as usually these animals (from what I've seen) that are domesticated are still free to roam around and whatnot.

As to Willows and Fernyx you don't seem to care nor acknowledge the suffering the cows endure.

http://www.humanemyth.org...
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9/11/2016 1:07:23 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/10/2016 6:00:36 PM, mc9 wrote:
I believe cows should be treated greatly unlike he others in the forum and I am fine with cows milk as long as they have been treated greatly.

The problem is that the cows are not being treated greatly for the most part.

"99%
of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms. "


The animals you see might be small farms, yet factory farms are very high yield and large in comparison. There will always be a conflict of interest between profit and animal welfare.

http://www.aspca.org...
http://farmforward.com...
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9/11/2016 2:26:55 AM
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At 9/11/2016 1:07:23 AM, Stupidape wrote:
At 9/10/2016 6:00:36 PM, mc9 wrote:
I believe cows should be treated greatly unlike he others in the forum and I am fine with cows milk as long as they have been treated greatly.

The problem is that the cows are not being treated greatly for the most part.

"99%
of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms. "


The animals you see might be small farms, yet factory farms are very high yield and large in comparison. There will always be a conflict of interest between profit and animal welfare.

http://www.aspca.org...
http://farmforward.com...

Ya I love support small, family farms and such and loathe the large unethical farms.
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9/11/2016 10:03:35 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 4:24:52 AM, Stupidape wrote:
Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

Outline
I. Intro
II. Animal ethics
III. Health
IV. Environment
V. Conclusion
VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.


II. Animal ethics


"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals "humanely" is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today"s business standards." [3]


Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.


III. Health


Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]


As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]


Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.



"Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. " [8]







""

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."" [9]



"The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. " [10]



Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.



IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]


V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.


VI. Sources
0. http://www.aspca.org...

1. http://humanefacts.org...

2. http://humanemyth.org...

3. http://freefromharm.org...

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov....

9. http://www.webmd.com...

10. http://www.webmd.com...
11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

I don't drink animal milk, but I struggled so much to find a tasty alternative that I gave up on milk altogether. Soy milk is nutritionaly closer, but tastes so bad. Almond is highly calorical and tastes horrible. Rice tastes ok, but it's not really nutritious... I still have to try some others once I find out where are they sold.
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9/16/2016 4:35:22 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 4:24:52 AM, Stupidape wrote:
Drinking cow's milk is usually immoral.

Exceptions, people with rare medical conditions, and extraordinary circumstances. For example, stranded on a desert island and/or about to go into a diabetic coma.

Outline
I. Intro
II. Animal ethics
III. Health
IV. Environment
V. Conclusion
VI. Sources

I. Intro

We shouldn't drink bovine milk because it encourages the slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of cows. Not only that, but slavery, exploitation, and mistreatment of one animal paves the way for this same treatment towards other animals. Cows milk is unhealthy nor environmentally sustainable.


II. Animal ethics


"A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. Over 99% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms, which focus on profit and efficiency at the expense of animal welfare." [0]

Animals on so called "humane" farms don't fare much better. [1][2]

"Even under the best circumstances, the incentive to treat animals "humanely" is limited to the extent to which it is necessary to raise them to market weight (which is just a fraction of their natural lifespan). Any humane practice beyond this would be seen as inefficient and unsustainable by today"s business standards." [3]


Between the inherit conflict of interest between animal welfare and profit. and the brutal realities there is no moral justification for humans drinking bovine milk.


III. Health


Milk causes osteoporosis and increases chances of hip fractures. Contains, IGF-1, cholesterol, casein, lactose, high in fat, high in saturated fat, and high in dead bacteria endotoxins.

"These results support the hypothesis that dairy products and calcium are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer. " [4]

" Studies have shown that IGFs are potent mitogens for a variety of cancer cells including prostate cancer since they stimulate cancer cell growth and suppress programmed cell death. " [5]

"Naturally occurring milk IGF-1 levels were recorded in 5777 random milk samples from the Bavarian dairy cow population." [6]


As you can see from above, milk increases cancer risk. IGF-1 is found in cow's milk and is associated with increased cancer risk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates." [7]


Casein is a protein that can cause an immune system response which can lead to type I diabetes.



"Total protein consumption did not correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the relation between beta-casein (A1+B) consumption and diabetes (r = +0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat caseins do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein variants and diabetes incidence. " [8]







""

Women who drank three glasses of milk or more every day had a nearly doubled risk of death and cardiovascular disease, and a 44 percent increased risk of cancer compared to women who drank less than one glass per day, the researchers found.

Men's overall risk of death increased about 10 percent when they drank three or more glasses of milk daily, said the study, published online Oct. 28 in BMJ."" [9]



"The risk of any bone fracture increased 16 percent in women who drank three or more glasses daily, and the risk of a broken hip increased 60 percent, the findings indicated. " [10]



Fat is not only the densest of the three macro nutrients at 9 calories per gram as opposed to 4 for carbohydrates and proteins. This can lead to obesity and intramyocellular lipid build up.

Saturated fat increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder. Lactose is a sugar that many people are intolerant towards.



IV. Environment

Inherently due to trophic levels milk must be worse for the environment. From the American Journal of Clinical nutrition we can see that lupine, a vegan alternative, is better for the environment than cow's milk. [11]


V. Conclusion

In conclusion, there is only one ethical choice, and that is to stop drinking bovine milk. Thanks for the debate.


VI. Sources
0. http://www.aspca.org...

1. http://humanefacts.org...

2. http://humanemyth.org...

3. http://freefromharm.org...

4. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov....

9. http://www.webmd.com...

10. http://www.webmd.com...
11. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...

Yeah, if you are buying it from a store....I grew up going to some of those factory like dairy farms. Even though it was "cultural norm" it doesn't feel like it. Still though, you can just buy from California where the happy cows live
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