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9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM
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Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think
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9/9/2016 7:24:45 PM
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At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

He should have the freedom to not stand for the national anthem without legal repercussions, but at the same time he should've been kicked off of whatever team he plays for.
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9/9/2016 7:44:35 PM
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At 9/9/2016 7:24:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

He should have the freedom to not stand for the national anthem without legal repercussions, but at the same time he should've been kicked off of whatever team he plays for.

I don't agree. He feels strongly about an issue, and feels this is the way to make a protest. What happened to freedom of speech and opinion? I'm not saying I'd do what he does, but I wouldn't get my knickers in a knot about it either.
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9/9/2016 11:55:46 PM
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At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

Sports teams are private, not public, so they can kick people off for refusing to stand for the national anthem. The fact is that if Kaepernick ends up representing the team he plays for, then the 49ers will start to lose money, so he becomes a net negative for the team.

I personally would and always stand for the anthem, and I would have kicked him off the team without a shroud of doubt if I had that power.
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9/10/2016 12:09:34 AM
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At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

He shouldn't stand and show respect. Wasn't America a free country where anyone can do whatever he wants? I understand that it's respectful to stand up for the national anthem, but people deserve their autonomy.
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9/10/2016 12:10:15 AM
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At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

It depends on the situation, and I can understand not doing it.
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9/10/2016 12:23:34 AM
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At 9/9/2016 11:55:46 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

Sports teams are private, not public, so they can kick people off for refusing to stand for the national anthem. The fact is that if Kaepernick ends up representing the team he plays for, then the 49ers will start to lose money, so he becomes a net negative for the team

He might actually be a revenue source since his jersey sales are up, though of course there's how much he's paid. Also the NFL salary cap is more complicated than that.

I personally would and always stand for the anthem, and I would have kicked him off the team without a shroud of doubt if I had that power.
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9/10/2016 12:32:25 AM
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At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

Colin Kaepernick has every right to be an idiot
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9/10/2016 5:06:38 AM
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At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

I think that America is a pretty messed up country. We are full of corruption, greed, ignorance, arrogance, and a lot more. I still stand for the national anthem. I don't cover my heart, but I stand. No matter what I think about America, I am still a citizen. Plus, I think that the national anthem stands for what America was and what it could be if we all got our damn priorities straight. I do stand for the national anthem, and I don't think that will change.

I do not like the pledge of allegiance, though. That whole one nation under God thing. This is supposed to be a pledge to a country full of diverse people and cultures, and you add in a phrase specific to one religion. It doesn't make sense.
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9/10/2016 5:15:28 AM
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At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

You should probably consider hanging out other people. This is actually the first I have heard of this, not that I know who this Colin person is.

I don't care if he stands, I don't care if he sits. In short, I don't care. It's a free country (right?) people can do what they want. Anyone who wants penalties or consequences for people doing what they want, without breaking any laws, is likely a douche-bag and/or stand to profit from doing so.
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9/10/2016 4:31:42 PM
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ITT people who make fun of people for being "triggered" by the stupidest things, being triggered by the stupidest things.

Circle of life.
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9/10/2016 4:37:35 PM
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Am I the only one who has never sung an anthem?
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9/10/2016 4:41:11 PM
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At 9/10/2016 4:31:42 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
ITT people who make fun of people for being "triggered" by the stupidest things, being triggered by the stupidest things.

Circle of life.

IKR. Was really amusing to see in that other thread about this guy not singing the anthem.

"SJW ruin the USA and complain about everything" *proceeds to complain about a dude not singing along*
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9/10/2016 4:45:08 PM
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At 9/10/2016 4:41:11 PM, Fkkize wrote:
"SJWs ruin the USA and complain about everything" *proceeds to complain about a dude not singing along*
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9/10/2016 6:48:06 PM
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Colin Kaepernick is disillusioned over the perceived oppression of blacks in this country. I get that.
Evangelical Christians are living in a society which is increasingly secular, increasingly sinful, increasingly anti-christian, and so on. To their perspective, America is turning into something horrible; they still stand for the pledge. He should too.
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9/10/2016 7:53:07 PM
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At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

Personally? I am against most kinds patriotism and believe any kind of reverence of the flag and all it symbolises is silly, and counteractive to peace. I mean, what has been the cause of war for the most part? International disputes. So it stands to reason that pride in a flag and a nation causes conflict and unnecessary violence
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9/10/2016 8:59:46 PM
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Imagine if one of the Nazis refrained from standing and saluting Hitler. I bet that would have pissed off a bunch of Germans, eh?
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9/10/2016 9:34:45 PM
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At 9/10/2016 4:41:11 PM, Fkkize wrote:
"SJWs ruin the USA and complain about everything" *proceeds to complain about a dude not singing along*
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9/11/2016 4:52:05 AM
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At 9/10/2016 4:37:35 PM, Fkkize wrote:
Am I the only one who has never sung an anthem?

Clearly you're a traitor then.
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At 9/10/2016 9:34:45 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:41:11 PM, Fkkize wrote:
"SJWs ruin the USA and complain about everything" *proceeds to complain about a dude not singing along*
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9/11/2016 5:38:50 AM
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At 9/10/2016 4:45:08 PM, Fkkize wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:41:11 PM, Fkkize wrote:
"SJWs ruin the USA and complain about everything" *proceeds to complain about a dude not singing along*

SJWs are complaining about things that are stupid to complain about, or things that don't exist. Talking about a person disrespecting the nation is a different thing.

Nice false analogy
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9/11/2016 7:03:31 AM
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At 9/11/2016 5:38:50 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:45:08 PM, Fkkize wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:41:11 PM, Fkkize wrote:
"SJWs ruin the USA and complain about everything" *proceeds to complain about a dude not singing along*

SJWs are complaining about things that are stupid to complain about, or things that don't exist. Talking about a person disrespecting the nation is a different thing.

Of course, complaining that some guy didn't sing a song is not ridiculous or stupid at all. Just imagine the consequences. Oh right, there are none. It didn't do any property damage and nobody got physically hurt. The only thing that got hurt are your feelings. But why should he care any more about your feelings than you should care about the feelings of a sjw complaining about "manspreading"?
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9/11/2016 7:38:21 AM
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At 9/11/2016 7:03:31 AM, Fkkize wrote:
At 9/11/2016 5:38:50 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:45:08 PM, Fkkize wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:41:11 PM, Fkkize wrote:
"SJWs ruin the USA and complain about everything" *proceeds to complain about a dude not singing along*

SJWs are complaining about things that are stupid to complain about, or things that don't exist. Talking about a person disrespecting the nation is a different thing.

Of course, complaining that some guy didn't sing a song is not ridiculous or stupid at all. Just imagine the consequences. Oh right, there are none. It didn't do any property damage and nobody got physically hurt. The only thing that got hurt are your feelings. But why should he care any more about your feelings than you should care about the feelings of a sjw complaining about "manspreading"?

Singing and standing up in respect are different, your false analogies are getting more and more funnier.

My feelings are not hurt on a personal level of somebody not standing up for the anthem. However, they are doing a great disgrace to the country. The stupid football player basically insulted the country he lives in which was the country that allowed him to freely pursue his football career.

I am not offended on a personal level, but I find it disgusting how he did this.

Now knock off your false analogies.
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9/11/2016 8:00:20 AM
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At 9/11/2016 7:38:21 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/11/2016 7:03:31 AM, Fkkize wrote:
At 9/11/2016 5:38:50 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:45:08 PM, Fkkize wrote:
At 9/10/2016 4:41:11 PM, Fkkize wrote:
"SJWs ruin the USA and complain about everything" *proceeds to complain about a dude not singing along*

SJWs are complaining about things that are stupid to complain about, or things that don't exist. Talking about a person disrespecting the nation is a different thing.

Of course, complaining that some guy didn't sing a song is not ridiculous or stupid at all. Just imagine the consequences. Oh right, there are none. It didn't do any property damage and nobody got physically hurt. The only thing that got hurt are your feelings. But why should he care any more about your feelings than you should care about the feelings of a sjw complaining about "manspreading"?

Singing and standing up in respect are different, your false analogies are getting more and more funnier.
I expected no other reply, considering how you were completely unable to point out why the anthem mandates standing up in your recent conversation with ppc. One might get the impression asserting your position over and over again is your favorite kind of argument.

My feelings are not hurt on a personal level of somebody not standing up for the anthem. However, they are doing a great disgrace to the country. The stupid football player basically insulted the country he lives in which was the country that allowed him to freely pursue his football career.
And how did he do that?

I am not offended on a personal level, but I find it disgusting how he did this.
Are you trying to tell me disgust is not a feeling?
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9/11/2016 11:13:10 AM
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Fascinating at how much you project and how much you assume.

How about the following scenario.

I am a footballer, and I do not stand nor sing the pledge. I play the game as I am professionally expected to.

The interview that follows would go something like this:

Int: "Why did you not stand for the pledge?"
Me: Because I didn't want to.
Int: Why did you not want to?
Me: I see no reason why I should have to justify that.
Int: Why?
Me: Standing for the pledge is legally, and contractually optional, is it not?
Int: Yes...
Me: And the people who did stand for the pledge... Are they at all required to justify their reasons for why they stood?
Int: No...
Me: There you go then.
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9/11/2016 6:45:52 PM
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At 9/11/2016 11:13:10 AM, Envisage wrote:
Fascinating at how much you project and how much you assume.

How about the following scenario.

I am a footballer, and I do not stand nor sing the pledge. I play the game as I am professionally expected to.

The interview that follows would go something like this:

Int: "Why did you not stand for the pledge?"
Me: Because I didn't want to.
Int: Why did you not want to?
Me: I see no reason why I should have to justify that.
Int: Why?
Me: Standing for the pledge is legally, and contractually optional, is it not?
Int: Yes...
Me: And the people who did stand for the pledge... Are they at all required to justify their reasons for why they stood?
Int: No...
Me: There you go then.

Envisage, I'm sorry, but that point is far too unpatriotic.

...and well put.
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9/11/2016 7:25:36 PM
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There is no definite answer. Should we all stand? Depends on the premise for such. It's common practice to do so, and it's also polite and orderly, so yes, in that case, we should all stand. On the other hand, there is no law or standard outside of the cultural aspects that merit individuals standing.

Personally, I pay my respects to the nation, flag, and anthem, and I like when others do the same. However, that doesn't mean that people who do the opposite should be demonized, as that is their right, but it's also the right of individuals to dislike and boycott organizations that allow for such.

I, personally, will not be buying a Kaepernick shirt any time soon.
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9/12/2016 8:48:49 AM
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At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

I also suspect his motives are not entirely what he claims but lets give him the benefit of the doubt for a moment and I assume they are. I still would not choose to protest the way he did but I understand why he did it and I will defend his right to do so. As a whole I find American nationalism a little misguided. Few other societies demand the level of national pride the US does. Many of those that have are/were totalitarian regimes like the Nazis.
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9/12/2016 2:54:09 PM
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At 9/10/2016 5:06:38 AM, ANON_TacTiX wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

I think that America is a pretty messed up country. We are full of corruption, greed, ignorance, arrogance, and a lot more. I still stand for the national anthem. I don't cover my heart, but I stand. No matter what I think about America, I am still a citizen. Plus, I think that the national anthem stands for what America was and what it could be if we all got our damn priorities straight. I do stand for the national anthem, and I don't think that will change.

I do not like the pledge of allegiance, though. That whole one nation under God thing. This is supposed to be a pledge to a country full of diverse people and cultures, and you add in a phrase specific to one religion. It doesn't make sense.

The whole controversy about "one nation under God" annoys me.
So, to start off, when this country was first formed, religion had a major role in the lives of people. Even if there is now separation of church and government, the above stands true for our past.
Second, it's supposed to be more of a statement of unity. When you say "one nation, under God," it's not so much a statement of saying we are religious, but more of a statement of unity.
Third, when it says "God", it doesn't have to just mean the christian god, but other gods as well. A large majority of people are religious in some way, and as such is a way of showing acceptance of religion from all people, regardless of which god they believe in.

Of course, you're allowed to disprove of it as you wish, but I personally don't think there's anything wrong with that line.
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9/12/2016 4:25:45 PM
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At 9/9/2016 7:24:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/9/2016 6:47:49 PM, ConnorSween16 wrote:
Lately, it seems all anyone is talking about anymore is the Colin Kaepernick controversy caused by him sitting in protest against "a country that discriminates against black people and people of color". In my opinion, I think he's just an attention seeking football player trying to draw attention to himself. As a citizen of the US, you should stand and show respect for your rights. Yes you have the right to say no to that, but that doesn't make that okay. Curious to see what you guys think

He should have the freedom to not stand for the national anthem without legal repercussions, but at the same time he should've been kicked off of whatever team he plays for.

Then you are punishing him for expressing his RIGHT which is utterly contradictory of U.S. principles.