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ThePostMarxist
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9/10/2016 9:04:15 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
In my view, there are two types of feminism. Liberal feminism, and leftist feminism.

Liberal feminism is the modern, persistent, and pointless feminism, typified by Laci Green, Chanty Binx and several other commentators who are consistently wrong and, ironically, politically incorrect when it comes to their views. Whether it is Laci Green being against due process in rape cases, or Chanty Binx being... well... the greatest lummox landwhale there ever was, it is consistently stupid

Then there is leftist feminism or Marxist-feminism. This is the intellectual kind, that examines gender roles and sees that liberal feminism has failed and clearly a more radical approach is required. Marxist-feminism sees women's liberation as integral to the idea of class struggle and thus the only way for women to be liberated is for the hierarchies of our current system to be questioned, challenged, and dismantled. Writers like Germaine Greer for a modern example, or Lucy Parsons and Emma Goldman, and every Suffragette for the classic vein of radical feminism, though Germaine Greer is a lot less radical, and left-wing, than a lot of old examples

Just a short statement because I feel I have to get it off my chest. Marxist-feminists are incredibly pissed off by this recent 'third-wave' as it were. If you have any opinions, please reply, I would be fascinated to see what people think.
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9/10/2016 11:27:13 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/10/2016 9:04:15 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
In my view, there are two types of feminism. Liberal feminism, and leftist feminism.

Liberal feminism is the modern, persistent, and pointless feminism, typified by Laci Green, Chanty Binx and several other commentators who are consistently wrong and, ironically, politically incorrect when it comes to their views. Whether it is Laci Green being against due process in rape cases, or Chanty Binx being... well... the greatest lummox landwhale there ever was, it is consistently stupid

Then there is leftist feminism or Marxist-feminism. This is the intellectual kind, that examines gender roles and sees that liberal feminism has failed and clearly a more radical approach is required. Marxist-feminism sees women's liberation as integral to the idea of class struggle and thus the only way for women to be liberated is for the hierarchies of our current system to be questioned, challenged, and dismantled. Writers like Germaine Greer for a modern example, or Lucy Parsons and Emma Goldman, and every Suffragette for the classic vein of radical feminism, though Germaine Greer is a lot less radical, and left-wing, than a lot of old examples

Just a short statement because I feel I have to get it off my chest. Marxist-feminists are incredibly pissed off by this recent 'third-wave' as it were. If you have any opinions, please reply, I would be fascinated to see what people think.

So, liberal feminists are obnoxious morons and Marxist feminists are mentally retarded morons?
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9/11/2016 12:40:59 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/10/2016 11:27:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
So, liberal feminists are obnoxious morons and Marxist feminists are mentally retarded morons?

That about sums it up. The notion that men and women are equal is near-universally accepted in Western society, making feminism obsolete.
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9/11/2016 9:17:42 AM
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At 9/11/2016 12:40:59 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 9/10/2016 11:27:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
So, liberal feminists are obnoxious morons and Marxist feminists are mentally retarded morons?

That about sums it up. The notion that men and women are equal is near-universally accepted in Western society, making feminism obsolete.

"equal", hahaha.... hahahaa... ....haha.... ha....HAHAHAHA...ahaha... no. That's not true. Feminism failed entirely in its original goal, giving women representation in politics and all other affairs of society
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9/11/2016 9:18:15 AM
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At 9/10/2016 11:27:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 9/10/2016 9:04:15 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
In my view, there are two types of feminism. Liberal feminism, and leftist feminism.

Liberal feminism is the modern, persistent, and pointless feminism, typified by Laci Green, Chanty Binx and several other commentators who are consistently wrong and, ironically, politically incorrect when it comes to their views. Whether it is Laci Green being against due process in rape cases, or Chanty Binx being... well... the greatest lummox landwhale there ever was, it is consistently stupid

Then there is leftist feminism or Marxist-feminism. This is the intellectual kind, that examines gender roles and sees that liberal feminism has failed and clearly a more radical approach is required. Marxist-feminism sees women's liberation as integral to the idea of class struggle and thus the only way for women to be liberated is for the hierarchies of our current system to be questioned, challenged, and dismantled. Writers like Germaine Greer for a modern example, or Lucy Parsons and Emma Goldman, and every Suffragette for the classic vein of radical feminism, though Germaine Greer is a lot less radical, and left-wing, than a lot of old examples

Just a short statement because I feel I have to get it off my chest. Marxist-feminists are incredibly pissed off by this recent 'third-wave' as it were. If you have any opinions, please reply, I would be fascinated to see what people think.

So, liberal feminists are obnoxious morons and Marxist feminists are mentally retarded morons?

So you don't have an argument? This is a debating sight you know? Not a page for your inane trolling
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9/11/2016 10:07:40 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/11/2016 12:40:59 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 9/10/2016 11:27:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
So, liberal feminists are obnoxious morons and Marxist feminists are mentally retarded morons?

That about sums it up. The notion that men and women are equal is near-universally accepted in Western society, making feminism obsolete.

It is consciously accepted by much (not all) of society. At the same time, unconsciously rejected by the vast majority of society, except probably feminists.
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9/11/2016 10:48:41 AM
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At 9/11/2016 12:40:59 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 9/10/2016 11:27:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
So, liberal feminists are obnoxious morons and Marxist feminists are mentally retarded morons?

That about sums it up. The notion that men and women are equal is near-universally accepted in Western society, making feminism obsolete.

I agree that feminism is obsolete. However, I disagree that men and women are considered equal, unless you mean legally, even then it's debatable (women are more frequently the beneficiaries of bias). I think meritocracy is what is recognized; that the opportunity is there regardless of sex. There are some exceptions to the rule, as there usually are.
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9/11/2016 12:13:37 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/10/2016 9:04:15 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
Just a short statement because I feel I have to get it off my chest. Marxist-feminists are incredibly pissed off by this recent 'third-wave' as it were. If you have any opinions, please reply, I would be fascinated to see what people think.

I think that feminism is failing because the third wing was excluded and collapsed. This was the wing that focused on domesticity, motherhood, traditionalism, etc. Modern feminism often sees any woman who wants to be a mother/homemaker as 'not doing it right', and these people struggle to find a place in a movement which feels antagonistic to them. I know a lot of woman who fiercely detest feminism for this reason. It also means that feminist circles become echo chambers, which the more Marxist feminists are finding out as they are, to their chagrin, being blacklisted for deviating from Liberal 'orthodoxy'. While I don't agree with everything that the Marxist wing stands for, I do respect them much more; they tend to be more willing to engage and to have more interesting arguments. A great example is their take (Gail Dines) on 'slut walks', which are an exercise in class privilege. But, oops, I forgot, we're not allowed to talk about class anymore. That might actually change structures of oppression, and we can't have that. Back to focusing on race and gender...
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9/11/2016 12:28:14 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/11/2016 12:13:37 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/10/2016 9:04:15 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
Just a short statement because I feel I have to get it off my chest. Marxist-feminists are incredibly pissed off by this recent 'third-wave' as it were. If you have any opinions, please reply, I would be fascinated to see what people think.

I think that feminism is failing because the third wing was excluded and collapsed. This was the wing that focused on domesticity, motherhood, traditionalism, etc. Modern feminism often sees any woman who wants to be a mother/homemaker as 'not doing it right', and these people struggle to find a place in a movement which feels antagonistic to them. I know a lot of woman who fiercely detest feminism for this reason. It also means that feminist circles become echo chambers, which the more Marxist feminists are finding out as they are, to their chagrin, being blacklisted for deviating from Liberal 'orthodoxy'. While I don't agree with everything that the Marxist wing stands for, I do respect them much more; they tend to be more willing to engage and to have more interesting arguments. A great example is their take (Gail Dines) on 'slut walks', which are an exercise in class privilege. But, oops, I forgot, we're not allowed to talk about class anymore. That might actually change structures of oppression, and we can't have that. Back to focusing on race and gender...

I'm against the dogmatic treatment of third-wave ideology and liberalism as well, really, as the refusal to admit wrongdoing. The mattress bitch, for example, who falsely accused someone of rape, was still protected after she was found out to be a liar
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9/11/2016 4:46:57 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/11/2016 9:17:42 AM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
At 9/11/2016 12:40:59 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 9/10/2016 11:27:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
So, liberal feminists are obnoxious morons and Marxist feminists are mentally retarded morons?

That about sums it up. The notion that men and women are equal is near-universally accepted in Western society, making feminism obsolete.

"equal", hahaha.... hahahaa... ....haha.... ha....HAHAHAHA...ahaha... no. That's not true. Feminism failed entirely in its original goal, giving women representation in politics and all other affairs of society

I prefer the term cultural Marxist, though it is more of an umbrella term for the entire Socjus movement in my opinion.
So, how does a cultural Marxist, or Marxist feminist if you prefer, go about gain 100% 50/50 split in all fields? This is near impossible if we approach it from a meritocratically. Would you pick a inferior person for a job over a superior one, based solely on their genitalia? Also what is the purpose of having a 50/50 split? What is there to gain from that?
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9/11/2016 5:05:33 PM
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I prefer the term cultural Marxist, though it is more of an umbrella term for the entire Socjus movement in my opinion.
Cultural Marxism is a baseless alt-right conspiracy theory based on a fear of equal rights and socialism. It is a meaningless word.

So, how does a cultural Marxist...
again with the 'cultural Marxist' thing. It is neither cultural nor does it have anything to with Marxism

...or Marxist-feminist...
Cultural Marxists as the nutjob conspiracy theory describes it is PC culture. They have no relation to radical feminism as, not only is Cultural Marxism not a real thing, but Marxist-feminists are very anti-no platforming and anti-political correctness

... if you prefer, go about gain 100% 50/50 split in all fields?
We don't want an exact 50/50 split. We just believe that women deserve more than less than 1/5th of governmental positions, as they make up half of the population. It seems foolish that men are represented for the majority in government, and make decisions about women's laws. Surely women should have a closer to 50/50 representation in government

Would you pick a inferior person for a job over a superior one, based solely on their genitalia?
No, of course not. That's pointless. What I want is women to be encouraged to seek more academic fields. Up until recently women were encouraged into secretarial jobs and boys were empowered into STEM and political jobs, the feminist movement tried to stop this and is continuing to do so. We simply want women to have the same opportunities, and that society isn't enforcing gender norms

Also what is the purpose of having a 50/50 split?
It's obvious, isn't it? Women make up 50% of our population so they deserve a higher representation than 1/5 in Congress, or less than thirty percent in most governments. The highest female representation is 38% (I can't remember which country, but that's the highest). How is that fair? The whole point of our representative 'democracy', is that it represents the populace, but 60% of our elected officials are white men

Though I disagree entirely with our system and don't consider it democratic in any way, but this discussion is in the context of the current system
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9/11/2016 6:30:48 PM
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At 9/11/2016 5:05:33 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
I prefer the term cultural Marxist, though it is more of an umbrella term for the entire Socjus movement in my opinion.
Cultural Marxism is a baseless alt-right conspiracy theory based on a fear of equal rights and socialism. It is a meaningless word.

CITATION NEEDED

So, how does a cultural Marxist...
again with the 'cultural Marxist' thing. It is neither cultural nor does it have anything to with Marxism

CITIATION NEEDED

...or Marxist-feminist...
Cultural Marxists as the nutjob conspiracy theory describes it is PC culture. They have no relation to radical feminism as, not only is Cultural Marxism not a real thing, but Marxist-feminists are very anti-no platforming and anti-political correctness

CITATION NEEDED
... if you prefer, go about gain 100% 50/50 split in all fields?
We don't want an exact 50/50 split. We just believe that women deserve more than less than 1/5th of governmental positions, as they make up half of the population. It seems foolish that men are represented for the majority in government, and make decisions about women's laws. Surely women should have a closer to 50/50 representation in government

Who is stopping them?
Also, women don't get to make laws for themselves anymore than men get to make laws for themselves. In addition, I don't care what an individual does with their own body with their own money. When they want me to pay, I get to make the rules.

Would you pick a inferior person for a job over a superior one, based solely on their genitalia?
No, of course not. That's pointless. What I want is women to be encouraged to seek more academic fields. Up until recently women were encouraged into secretarial jobs and boys were empowered into STEM and political jobs, the feminist movement tried to stop this and is continuing to do so. We simply want women to have the same opportunities, and that society isn't enforcing gender norms

No one is stopping them and the media is constantly blathering on about how women can do anything men can. Also I would like to direct your attention to this Norwegian documentary, about how even with pushes from the media and government and even pay, that males do not receive, that they still are unable to meet the numbers they wish. Is it the nebulous patriarchy or is it personal choice. Have a watch when you get a chance.
https://www.youtube.com...
Also what is the purpose of having a 50/50 split?
It's obvious, isn't it? Women make up 50% of our population so they deserve a higher representation than 1/5 in Congress, or less than thirty percent in most governments. The highest female representation is 38% (I can't remember which country, but that's the highest). How is that fair? The whole point of our representative 'democracy', is that it represents the populace, but 60% of our elected officials are white men

Though I disagree entirely with our system and don't consider it democratic in any way, but this discussion is in the context of the current system

Not sure why you felt it necessary to bring up the color of skin of those men. Think I found myself a racist.
But anyway, has it ever occurred to you that maybe there isn't this big conspiracy against women: no secret plans be put together in dark smoky rooms all over the world, but that maybe, just maybe, the two genders are drawn to different things?
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9/11/2016 6:34:40 PM
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Not sure why you felt it necessary to bring up the color of skin of those men. Think I found myself a racist.

Yes. I'm a racist for pointing out white privilege

But anyway, has it ever occurred to you that maybe there isn't this big conspiracy against women

I know. I don't believe that. I believe in kyriarchy as how social hierarchies work
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9/11/2016 6:48:00 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/11/2016 6:30:48 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
At 9/11/2016 5:05:33 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
I prefer the term cultural Marxist, though it is more of an umbrella term for the entire Socjus movement in my opinion.
Cultural Marxism is a baseless alt-right conspiracy theory based on a fear of equal rights and socialism. It is a meaningless word.

CITATION NEEDED
Have fun reading (https://en.wikipedia.org...). All the citations are found in the footnotes.
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9/11/2016 6:55:30 PM
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At 9/11/2016 6:34:40 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
Not sure why you felt it necessary to bring up the color of skin of those men. Think I found myself a racist.

Yes. I'm a racist for pointing out white privilege

But anyway, has it ever occurred to you that maybe there isn't this big conspiracy against women

I know. I don't believe that. I believe in kyriarchy as how social hierarchies work

There will be plenty of opportunities for you to spit your racial hatred of whites on a relevant thread.

Name a legal right that man enjoy that women do not. I can name several rights women enjoy over men, but I'll let you go first.

And since you have not provided a citation to debunk the existence of cultural Marxism, you are a Marxist feminist(same exact principle! hahaha), ill just leave this here for you.
https://www.youtube.com...
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9/11/2016 7:03:51 PM
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At 9/11/2016 6:34:40 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
Not sure why you felt it necessary to bring up the color of skin of those men. Think I found myself a racist.

Yes. I'm a racist for pointing out white privilege even though it doesn't exist.

Fixed

But anyway, has it ever occurred to you that maybe there isn't this big conspiracy against women

I know. I don't believe that. I believe in kyriarchy as how social hierarchies work
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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9/11/2016 7:12:57 PM
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At 9/11/2016 6:48:00 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/11/2016 6:30:48 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
At 9/11/2016 5:05:33 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
I prefer the term cultural Marxist, though it is more of an umbrella term for the entire Socjus movement in my opinion.
Cultural Marxism is a baseless alt-right conspiracy theory based on a fear of equal rights and socialism. It is a meaningless word.

CITATION NEEDED
Have fun reading (https://en.wikipedia.org...). All the citations are found in the footnotes.

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm referring to. Cultural Marxism isn't just some conspiracy, its a political belief system, wherein any minority is viewed as the oppressed and majority is the oppressor. We see this with race, sex, orientation, disabilities, etc, etc, etc. It is designed to create as much division. Anything and everything becomes a fight against the bourgeoisie. This is already occurring within the feminist movement as black feminists treat white feminists as oppressors.
I'm not really sure why you guys wouldn't want that label though, because it perfectly describes what you are doing.
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9/11/2016 7:22:08 PM
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At 9/11/2016 6:48:00 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/11/2016 6:30:48 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
At 9/11/2016 5:05:33 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
I prefer the term cultural Marxist, though it is more of an umbrella term for the entire Socjus movement in my opinion.
Cultural Marxism is a baseless alt-right conspiracy theory based on a fear of equal rights and socialism. It is a meaningless word.

CITATION NEEDED
Have fun reading (https://en.wikipedia.org...). All the citations are found in the footnotes.

You've misunderstood the reference that individuals, primarily on the right, have created in terms of Cultural Marxism.

It's not a conspiracy theory, as the belief isn't that there's a group of individuals that are trying to reshape or take over any significant portion of society, so much as there's a belief that individuals, primarily progressives, hold views that are accustomed to cultural Marxism, meaning they have substantially differing views on cultural and civilization than what is commonly accepted in the West.

Granted, it's always easy to quote a wikipedia article and call everything a conspiracy theory, even though it has a very legitimate basis.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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9/11/2016 7:23:58 PM
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At 9/11/2016 7:12:57 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
Have fun reading (https://en.wikipedia.org...). All the citations are found in the footnotes.
I think you are misunderstanding what I'm referring to. Cultural Marxism isn't just some conspiracy, its a political belief system, wherein any minority is viewed as the oppressed and majority is the oppressor.
And you had known that it was a conspiracy theory perpetuated by Holocaust denier and monarchist William S. Lind, had you read the paragraphs in the link.

The "grand scheme" to which you're referring is nothing more than the decline of the core values that define Western civilization; in short, nihilism as experienced at the "end of history" (the finalization of equal recognition).

I made a thread about this political condition. Feel free to engage (http://www.debate.org...).
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9/11/2016 7:37:53 PM
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At 9/11/2016 7:23:58 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/11/2016 7:12:57 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
Have fun reading (https://en.wikipedia.org...). All the citations are found in the footnotes.
I think you are misunderstanding what I'm referring to. Cultural Marxism isn't just some conspiracy, its a political belief system, wherein any minority is viewed as the oppressed and majority is the oppressor.
And you had known that it was a conspiracy theory perpetuated by Holocaust denier and monarchist William S. Lind, had you read the paragraphs in the link.

The "grand scheme" to which you're referring is nothing more than the decline of the core values that define Western civilization; in short, nihilism as experienced at the "end of history" (the finalization of equal recognition).

I made a thread about this political condition. Feel free to engage (http://www.debate.org...).

Let me make this clear, I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY.
I NEVER SAID THIS WAS A GRAND SCHEME. STOP FIGHTING WITH YOUR OWN GOD D*MN STRAWMEN.
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9/11/2016 8:00:20 PM
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At 9/11/2016 7:37:53 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
Let me make this clear, I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY.
I NEVER SAID THIS WAS A GRAND SCHEME. STOP FIGHTING WITH YOUR OWN GOD D*MN STRAWMEN.
All caps is unbecoming. And I'm simply informing you what this regards: you are attempting to shoehorn a difficult issue (the devaluation of all values) by applying a nut job conspiracy theory to it.

I suggest you avoid Holocaust deniers and their and their inanities and instead focus on the actual matter at hand. It is the Enlightenment paradigm that we find ourselves in which is gradually hollowing out all power structures. And that is an irreversible process.

As Nietzsche put it:
"Whispered to the conservatives. [... A] reversion, a return in any sense or degree is simply not possible. [...] today too there are still parties whose dream it is that all things might walk backwards like crabs. But no one is free to be a crab. Nothing avails -- one must go forward -- step by step further into decadence (that is my definition of modern 'progress')."
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9/11/2016 8:03:38 PM
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At 9/11/2016 8:00:20 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/11/2016 7:37:53 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
Let me make this clear, I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY.
I NEVER SAID THIS WAS A GRAND SCHEME. STOP FIGHTING WITH YOUR OWN GOD D*MN STRAWMEN.
All caps is unbecoming. And I'm simply informing you what this regards: you are attempting to shoehorn a difficult issue (the devaluation of all values) by applying a nut job conspiracy theory to it.

I suggest you avoid Holocaust deniers and their and their inanities and instead focus on the actual matter at hand. It is the Enlightenment paradigm that we find ourselves in which is gradually hollowing out all power structures. And that is an irreversible process.

As Nietzsche put it:
"Whispered to the conservatives. [... A] reversion, a return in any sense or degree is simply not possible. [...] today too there are still parties whose dream it is that all things might walk backwards like crabs. But no one is free to be a crab. Nothing avails -- one must go forward -- step by step further into decadence (that is my definition of modern 'progress')."

Keep fighting that strawman
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9/12/2016 4:21:23 AM
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At 9/11/2016 10:48:41 AM, Heterodox wrote:
I think meritocracy is what is recognized; that the opportunity is there regardless of sex.

Providing opportunity is the limit of what we should do. If people don't take the opportunities they're offered, that should be their choice.
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9/12/2016 2:59:54 PM
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At 9/11/2016 7:22:08 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 9/11/2016 6:48:00 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/11/2016 6:30:48 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
At 9/11/2016 5:05:33 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
I prefer the term cultural Marxist, though it is more of an umbrella term for the entire Socjus movement in my opinion.
Cultural Marxism is a baseless alt-right conspiracy theory based on a fear of equal rights and socialism. It is a meaningless word.
CITATION NEEDED
Have fun reading (https://en.wikipedia.org...). All the citations are found in the footnotes.
You've misunderstood the reference that individuals, primarily on the right, have created in terms of Cultural Marxism.

It's not a conspiracy theory, as the belief isn't that there's a group of individuals that are trying to reshape or take over any significant portion of society, so much as there's a belief that individuals, primarily progressives, hold views that are accustomed to cultural Marxism, meaning they have substantially differing views on cultural and civilization than what is commonly accepted in the West.

Granted, it's always easy to quote a wikipedia article and call everything a conspiracy theory, even though it has a very legitimate basis.
You obviously didn't read the text. Regardless, this is how it works. The very moment someone utters "Cultural Marxism" they reveal an attachment to this anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, incidentally shaped by a neo-Nazi and Holocaust denier.

What it shows people outside the fringe is that you who use the term, from terrorist Anders Behring Breivik to white supremacist Jared Taylor, are speaking in code to openly identify your enemy (http://en.rightpedia.info...).
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9/12/2016 4:08:38 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/10/2016 9:04:15 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
In my view, there are two types of feminism. Liberal feminism, and leftist feminism.

Liberal feminism is the modern, persistent, and pointless feminism, typified by Laci Green, Chanty Binx and several other commentators who are consistently wrong and, ironically, politically incorrect when it comes to their views. Whether it is Laci Green being against due process in rape cases, or Chanty Binx being... well... the greatest lummox landwhale there ever was, it is consistently stupid

Then there is leftist feminism or Marxist-feminism. This is the intellectual kind, that examines gender roles and sees that liberal feminism has failed and clearly a more radical approach is required. Marxist-feminism sees women's liberation as integral to the idea of class struggle and thus the only way for women to be liberated is for the hierarchies of our current system to be questioned, challenged, and dismantled. Writers like Germaine Greer for a modern example, or Lucy Parsons and Emma Goldman, and every Suffragette for the classic vein of radical feminism, though Germaine Greer is a lot less radical, and left-wing, than a lot of old examples

Just a short statement because I feel I have to get it off my chest. Marxist-feminists are incredibly pissed off by this recent 'third-wave' as it were. If you have any opinions, please reply, I would be fascinated to see what people think.

And both are stupid to be practiced in the western civilization, women have full equal opportunity.
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9/12/2016 8:27:06 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/12/2016 2:59:54 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/11/2016 7:22:08 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 9/11/2016 6:48:00 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/11/2016 6:30:48 PM, Beisht_Kione wrote:
At 9/11/2016 5:05:33 PM, ThePostMarxist wrote:
I prefer the term cultural Marxist, though it is more of an umbrella term for the entire Socjus movement in my opinion.
Cultural Marxism is a baseless alt-right conspiracy theory based on a fear of equal rights and socialism. It is a meaningless word.
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Have fun reading (https://en.wikipedia.org...). All the citations are found in the footnotes.
You've misunderstood the reference that individuals, primarily on the right, have created in terms of Cultural Marxism.

It's not a conspiracy theory, as the belief isn't that there's a group of individuals that are trying to reshape or take over any significant portion of society, so much as there's a belief that individuals, primarily progressives, hold views that are accustomed to cultural Marxism, meaning they have substantially differing views on cultural and civilization than what is commonly accepted in the West.

Granted, it's always easy to quote a wikipedia article and call everything a conspiracy theory, even though it has a very legitimate basis.
You obviously didn't read the text. Regardless, this is how it works. The very moment someone utters "Cultural Marxism" they reveal an attachment to this anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, incidentally shaped by a neo-Nazi and Holocaust denier.

That's not the case at all. While people equate Marxism to Judaism (which has its merits, especially when looking at the Soviet Union), you will find that there is no direct argument of Judaism being connected with cultural Marxism, or at least not as its premise. I, for one, never make the connection, as I don't have anything against Judaism/Jews, but I am particularly against the concept of cultural Marxism, which can be rephrased as being multiculturalism, "diversity", etc.


What it shows people outside the fringe is that you who use the term, from terrorist Anders Behring Breivik to white supremacist Jared Taylor, are speaking in code to openly identify your enemy (http://en.rightpedia.info...).
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Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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9/13/2016 10:33:20 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/12/2016 8:27:06 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
That's not the case at all. While people equate Marxism to Judaism (which has its merits, especially when looking at the Soviet Union), you will find that there is no direct argument of Judaism being connected with cultural Marxism, or at least not as its premise. I, for one, never make the connection, as I don't have anything against Judaism/Jews, but I am particularly against the concept of cultural Marxism, which can be rephrased as being multiculturalism, "diversity", etc.
Let's recapitulate. The term "Cultural Marxism" was invented by a neo-Nazi/Holocaust denier who was pointing to a larger conspiracy, viz., the means by which an elite group of Jewish and Marxist academics were acting to hollow out core values in Western societies (family, gender, sexuality, etc.) to destroy white communities from within.

When you guys -- from white supremacists to terrorists -- use the term, you are performing a twofold message. On the one hand, you are signalling a presence of the "enemy" (Jewish intellectuals dismantling Western values) to your fellow initiates. On the other hand, you are signalling to the enemy in question that "we have you now, Jew."

That is how it functions.
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9/13/2016 3:15:15 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
The genders aren't equal except in a legal sense. However the societal pendulum swings for course corrections... Men screwing the family has led to a swing in the women's behalf in many family courts.

It's a continual swing. The one area that needs immediate redress is equal pay for the same job when experience level is comparable.

Most of the other aspects of feminism, I completely ignore just like I do every special interest movement. Single mom raising 2 whiteys in an all black neighborhood taught me an important lesson: if you treat everyone the same, all they can do is call you an azzhole.