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9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM
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Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...
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9/20/2016 2:36:46 PM
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At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

Yes.
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9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM
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At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.
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9/20/2016 6:21:56 PM
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At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

How many children are going to die, become orphans, or homeless and in poverty if I don't take a handful? This is part of why the analogy is stupid.
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9/20/2016 6:26:48 PM
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At 9/20/2016 6:21:56 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

How many children are going to die, become orphans, or homeless and in poverty if I don't take a handful? This is part of why the analogy is stupid.

But that raises the question, is America responsible for the world? Should we even get involved?
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9/20/2016 6:28:17 PM
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At 9/20/2016 2:36:46 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

Yes.

There has been a high increase in crime in places such as Germany where they take in migrants in mass, Cologne being most notable. Isn't it dangerous to risk the same thing in America?
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9/20/2016 6:30:16 PM
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At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

Not saying that comparing them to skittles is insensitive, just saying they are coming over only to destroy America. I personally don't disagree with what he is saying.
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9/20/2016 6:33:00 PM
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At 9/20/2016 6:26:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:21:56 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

How many children are going to die, become orphans, or homeless and in poverty if I don't take a handful? This is part of why the analogy is stupid.

But that raises the question, is America responsible for the world? Should we even get involved?

Good question. We see people suffering while we have the power to help them. That alone seems like enough reason to get involved.
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9/20/2016 6:38:24 PM
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At 9/20/2016 6:30:16 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

Not saying that comparing them to skittles is insensitive, just saying they are coming over only to destroy America. I personally don't disagree with what he is saying.

They are not coming to destroy America, they are coming to escape a brutal civil war that has already killed over half a million people, and shows no sign of ending.
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9/20/2016 6:42:47 PM
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At 9/20/2016 6:38:24 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:30:16 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

Not saying that comparing them to skittles is insensitive, just saying they are coming over only to destroy America. I personally don't disagree with what he is saying.

They are not coming to destroy America, they are coming to escape a brutal civil war that has already killed over half a million people, and shows no sign of ending.

In cologne they had a rape crisis, and in Britain they have refugee groups protesting for Sharia.
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9/20/2016 6:44:24 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/20/2016 6:33:00 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:26:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:21:56 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

How many children are going to die, become orphans, or homeless and in poverty if I don't take a handful? This is part of why the analogy is stupid.

But that raises the question, is America responsible for the world? Should we even get involved?

Good question. We see people suffering while we have the power to help them. That alone seems like enough reason to get involved.

But if it is a potential risk, is it worth it to endanger the country. I feel like there are risks of bringing in lots of refugees unless they are well documented.
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9/20/2016 6:53:59 PM
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At 9/20/2016 6:44:24 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:33:00 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:26:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:21:56 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

How many children are going to die, become orphans, or homeless and in poverty if I don't take a handful? This is part of why the analogy is stupid.

But that raises the question, is America responsible for the world? Should we even get involved?

Good question. We see people suffering while we have the power to help them. That alone seems like enough reason to get involved.

But if it is a potential risk, is it worth it to endanger the country. I feel like there are risks of bringing in lots of refugees unless they are well documented.

We should be weighing the risks and considering the benefits, which is the point of my original question. A tiny minority of refugees, as far as I know, could be threats to us. But we do know that every other person we bring in will be better off than they would have been in Syria in the middle of a war. Furthermore, there's research indicating that refugees provide long-term benefits to the countries that take them in. The recycled Skittles analogy ignores that.
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9/20/2016 7:12:39 PM
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At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

So what should he have used as an example that would have been ok? Nothing. Skittles are popular, most people know what they are, different colors representing diversity, usually a few defects so some different sizes, there's a letter "S" on them, sanctuary starts with "s"
2nd best choice would have been M&M for similar reasons, but they do have brown ones so....
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9/20/2016 7:25:37 PM
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At 9/20/2016 6:33:00 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:26:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:21:56 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

How many children are going to die, become orphans, or homeless and in poverty if I don't take a handful? This is part of why the analogy is stupid.

But that raises the question, is America responsible for the world? Should we even get involved?

Good question. We see people suffering while we have the power to help them. That alone seems like enough reason to get involved.

I think most would agree, how we do it and where is the real issue, if talk was about safe zones/areas in their own countries don't you think that would be more productive and beneficial to those you wish to help, wouldn't be the push back and controversy you see now. First think I thought of was Travon Martin, although didn't they say there was no evidence he had them, doesn't matter. It's politically incorrect, but isn't that part of their success? Offending the overly sensitive and sjw is unavoidable no matter what, if they can't play the victim they will look for us to attach too even when none really exist.
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9/20/2016 8:00:32 PM
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At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

"If I had a bowl of skittles and I told you just three would kill you. Would you take a handful? That's our Syrian refugee problem."

He's not wrong.

The analogy implies that there are 3 killer skittles within the bowl of otherwise harmless skittles, would you take a handful AND EAT THEM on the probability that you'll pick up the deadly skittles, therefore killing yourself. Granted 100K+ is really abysmal for USA, but honesty the peaceful silent majority are irrelevant when it only took 6 people to kill 3000+.

It begs the question;
Has Europe experienced any positive results from hosting the Syrian refugees?

Should Americans willfully ignore the crisis Europe is experiencing with refugees for the sake of moral superiority over logic and common sense?

Do you honestly believe USA's hosting outcome will produce different results?
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9/20/2016 9:01:00 PM
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At 9/20/2016 7:54:46 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
How about just don't dehumanize people. Human lives are not skittles.

someone needs a hug, why are you putting your own emotional value in the statement? you are interpenetrating with your own values instead of looking exactly what was said, put your own spin on it if you wish, doesn't mean it's true. Btw lots of people love skittles, so if I do the same thing as you, I will say it was a compliment.
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9/20/2016 9:04:15 PM
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At 9/20/2016 7:25:37 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:33:00 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:26:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:21:56 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

How many children are going to die, become orphans, or homeless and in poverty if I don't take a handful? This is part of why the analogy is stupid.

But that raises the question, is America responsible for the world? Should we even get involved?

Good question. We see people suffering while we have the power to help them. That alone seems like enough reason to get involved.

I think most would agree, how we do it and where is the real issue, if talk was about safe zones/areas in their own countries don't you think that would be more productive and beneficial to those you wish to help, wouldn't be the push back and controversy you see now.

You want us to set up safe zones in Syria? How do we do that without invading Syria?

First think I thought of was Travon Martin, although didn't they say there was no evidence he had them, doesn't matter. It's politically incorrect, but isn't that part of their success? Offending the overly sensitive and sjw is unavoidable no matter what, if they can't play the victim they will look for us to attach too even when none really exist.

I can't parse any of that in a way that makes it relevant to this thread.
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9/20/2016 10:08:42 PM
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At 9/20/2016 6:33:00 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:26:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:21:56 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

How many children are going to die, become orphans, or homeless and in poverty if I don't take a handful? This is part of why the analogy is stupid.

But that raises the question, is America responsible for the world? Should we even get involved?

Good question. We see people suffering while we have the power to help them. That alone seems like enough reason to get involved.

Now, I'd like to point something out here. Idk if what I'm going to compare this to is accurate or not, but I used to think "Man, there are all these countries that are so much less fortunate than ours. Why don't we go give them stuff and help them so they are more fortunate like us?"

Of course, now, whenever I think that, I remember that's basically what the Europeans said when they came over to the New World and wiped out large populations of natives.
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9/20/2016 10:35:14 PM
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At 9/20/2016 9:04:15 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 7:25:37 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:33:00 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:26:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 6:21:56 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

How many children are going to die, become orphans, or homeless and in poverty if I don't take a handful? This is part of why the analogy is stupid.

But that raises the question, is America responsible for the world? Should we even get involved?

Good question. We see people suffering while we have the power to help them. That alone seems like enough reason to get involved.

I think most would agree, how we do it and where is the real issue, if talk was about safe zones/areas in their own countries don't you think that would be more productive and beneficial to those you wish to help, wouldn't be the push back and controversy you see now.

You want us to set up safe zones in Syria? How do we do that without invading Syria?

It's politically incorrect, but isn't that part of their success? Offending the overly sensitive and sjw is unavoidable no matter what, if they can't play the victim they will look for us to attach too even when none really exist.

I can't parse any of that in a way that makes it relevant to this thread.

edited to help you, safe zones have been discussed neighboring countries with similar or the same language and culture, and yes it may require taking back part of the country, which the U.N. or coalition should do. So many better options for these people than bringing them here, put yourself in their shoes if you can.
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9/20/2016 11:33:29 PM
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At 9/20/2016 9:01:00 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/20/2016 7:54:46 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
How about just don't dehumanize people. Human lives are not skittles.

someone needs a hug, why are you putting your own emotional value in the statement? you are interpenetrating with your own values instead of looking exactly what was said, put your own spin on it if you wish, doesn't mean it's true. Btw lots of people love skittles, so if I do the same thing as you, I will say it was a compliment.

Me saying human lives don't equate to a bowl of candy is controversial? Even if the analogy was mathematically equal and I don't think it is, there's a big difference between me personally eating a bunch of candy and children with no place to go.

When did America become such pvssies? 9/11 seriously made us curl into a fetal position for 15 years. I'm not even saying we owe an obligation to these people. But damn we're afraid of children?
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9/21/2016 12:27:41 AM
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At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

I very much agree. What do you think of this particular analogy?
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9/21/2016 12:28:06 AM
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At 9/20/2016 6:28:17 PM, Fernyx wrote:
At 9/20/2016 2:36:46 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

Yes.

There has been a high increase in crime in places such as Germany where they take in migrants in mass, Cologne being most notable. Isn't it dangerous to risk the same thing in America?

Yes, it is a very real, pressing danger.
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9/21/2016 12:30:21 AM
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At 9/20/2016 7:54:46 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
How about just don't dehumanize people. Human lives are not skittles.

It's an analogous reference. It's not comparing human lives to skittles, but the danger that can be represented with blindly taking an unregulated sample.
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9/21/2016 12:34:43 AM
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At 9/21/2016 12:27:41 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

I very much agree. What do you think of this particular analogy?

It serves the point well enough. It's meant to address the 'there's only this small chance' argument by putting the nature of the threat in perspective.
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9/21/2016 12:36:14 AM
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At 9/21/2016 12:34:43 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/21/2016 12:27:41 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

I very much agree. What do you think of this particular analogy?

It serves the point well enough. It's meant to address the 'there's only this small chance' argument by putting the nature of the threat in perspective.

I would agree. Out of curiosity, what is your position on the controversy at hand? Do you support the US being more lax with its borders to take in more refugees?
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Skepsikyma
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9/21/2016 12:46:16 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 12:36:14 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/21/2016 12:34:43 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/21/2016 12:27:41 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

I very much agree. What do you think of this particular analogy?

It serves the point well enough. It's meant to address the 'there's only this small chance' argument by putting the nature of the threat in perspective.

I would agree. Out of curiosity, what is your position on the controversy at hand? Do you support the US being more lax with its borders to take in more refugees?

I think that we ought to join forces with Russia, and prop up Assad under the condition that Syria will then be resettled. This disaster is, after all, our fault. We do not, however, have an obligation to take these people in and make them citizens. We have an obligation to make right the tragedy which they are fleeing and to help them return to their homeland.

As to immigration, I think that if it's done it needs to be done correctly, which means that the families which come are spread out as widely as possible across the US, and that we don't allow a situation to form where we have all of them living in one neighborhood. For example, if we're getting 100,000 in, and the average family size is four, that's 25,000 families. We have 3,000 counties in the US, so we look to settle 7 or so families in each county, and we try to enroll them in different school districts so that in one generation their children will more or less be assimilated into US culture and can begin a steady SEC climb. If they can't accept those terms, well then they don't actually feel any loyalty to this country or its culture and do not belong here.

I am categorically opposed to any immigration under Democrat administrations, as they will just do what they always do: dump the refugees into ready-made ethnic enclaves.
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9/21/2016 1:21:26 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 12:46:16 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/21/2016 12:36:14 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/21/2016 12:34:43 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/21/2016 12:27:41 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

I very much agree. What do you think of this particular analogy?

It serves the point well enough. It's meant to address the 'there's only this small chance' argument by putting the nature of the threat in perspective.

I would agree. Out of curiosity, what is your position on the controversy at hand? Do you support the US being more lax with its borders to take in more refugees?

I think that we ought to join forces with Russia, and prop up Assad under the condition that Syria will then be resettled. This disaster is, after all, our fault. We do not, however, have an obligation to take these people in and make them citizens. We have an obligation to make right the tragedy which they are fleeing and to help them return to their homeland.

As to immigration, I think that if it's done it needs to be done correctly, which means that the families which come are spread out as widely as possible across the US, and that we don't allow a situation to form where we have all of them living in one neighborhood. For example, if we're getting 100,000 in, and the average family size is four, that's 25,000 families. We have 3,000 counties in the US, so we look to settle 7 or so families in each county, and we try to enroll them in different school districts so that in one generation their children will more or less be assimilated into US culture and can begin a steady SEC climb. If they can't accept those terms, well then they don't actually feel any loyalty to this country or its culture and do not belong here.

I am categorically opposed to any immigration under Democrat administrations, as they will just do what they always do: dump the refugees into ready-made ethnic enclaves.

totally agree
but geez give the government a break, it's not like they accidentally gave a bunch of people citizenship by mistake instead of deporting them, and then they gained access and jobs to sensitive areas like air ports and law enforcement, I mean serious that would never happen ha ha ha um......
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9/21/2016 2:00:07 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/21/2016 12:46:16 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/21/2016 12:36:14 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/21/2016 12:34:43 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/21/2016 12:27:41 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/20/2016 5:54:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/20/2016 1:53:48 PM, Fernyx wrote:
Trump Jr. recently made a graphic referring Syrian refugees to a bowl of skittles. Though it is insensitive, was he wrong in his statement about the dangers?

Read More: http://www.cnn.com...

It's funny that the people who are outraged over this usually mock the 'dumb American' stereotype, while proving that they don't understand what a basic analogy is. Saying that 'skittles are candy, refugees are people' is starting the obvious, using it as an argument reveals that you think that every analogy is an absolute comparison, when the entire point of an analogy is that it isn't absolute, it's meant to examine one particular shared quality. But I guess that's what you get when logic isn't a required course.

I very much agree. What do you think of this particular analogy?

It serves the point well enough. It's meant to address the 'there's only this small chance' argument by putting the nature of the threat in perspective.

I would agree. Out of curiosity, what is your position on the controversy at hand? Do you support the US being more lax with its borders to take in more refugees?

I think that we ought to join forces with Russia, and prop up Assad under the condition that Syria will then be resettled. This disaster is, after all, our fault. We do not, however, have an obligation to take these people in and make them citizens. We have an obligation to make right the tragedy which they are fleeing and to help them return to their homeland.

That makes sense. I think it's idiotic that the US continues to support overthrowing Assad while Putin is holding him up. It's a never-ending cycle of tragedy as it is. Assad is the lesser of two evils (we don't want ISIS to get full control when Assad relinquishes power).

As to immigration, I think that if it's done it needs to be done correctly, which means that the families which come are spread out as widely as possible across the US, and that we don't allow a situation to form where we have all of them living in one neighborhood. For example, if we're getting 100,000 in, and the average family size is four, that's 25,000 families. We have 3,000 counties in the US, so we look to settle 7 or so families in each county, and we try to enroll them in different school districts so that in one generation their children will more or less be assimilated into US culture and can begin a steady SEC climb. If they can't accept those terms, well then they don't actually feel any loyalty to this country or its culture and do not belong here.

That's reasonable. If they don't have the loyalty to accept the opportunity we would give them (which is much better than the current state of Syria, even in Chicago), they aren't loyal enough.

I am categorically opposed to any immigration under Democrat administrations, as they will just do what they always do: dump the refugees into ready-made ethnic enclaves.

Yes, I very much agree. Merkel got herself into some hot water. I don't want the same trouble over here.
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9/21/2016 2:26:33 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
I love the "invade the world, invite the world" national security approach. I can't think of any better policy than destabilizing the islamic world for decades, importing millions of muslims, and then scratching our heads when terrorism happens.
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: thett was right