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YYW
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9/22/2016 1:31:34 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
Take the "skin tone" IAT.

https://implicit.harvard.edu...

I got "strong automatic preference for dark skinned people over light skinned people," which really surprised me.

Post your results here.

As an aside, this test is uncomfortable to take.... or at least it made me really uncomfortable.
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9/22/2016 2:36:27 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
Slight for light over dark, which is exactly what I expected. My biggest problem was switching to the second set. I form habits strongly when I do things like this, so I kept trying to associate certain things with the last color that they were associated with. For example, the first was 'bad with white' and 'good with black', so I kept trying to do that as an automated response.

I also think that people probably 'cheat' on the test because they don't want to get a bad score. It would be pretty easy to deliberately make mistakes in order to balance out a suspected bias.
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9/22/2016 5:30:04 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 1:31:34 AM, YYW wrote:
Take the "skin tone" IAT.

https://implicit.harvard.edu...

I got "strong automatic preference for dark skinned people over light skinned people," which really surprised me.

That is indeed surprising.

Post your results here.

As an aside, this test is uncomfortable to take.... or at least it made me really uncomfortable.

I've taken this test before. Both last time I took it, and this time, I got no preference.
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9/22/2016 5:35:58 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 5:30:04 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 9/22/2016 1:31:34 AM, YYW wrote:
Take the "skin tone" IAT.

https://implicit.harvard.edu...

I got "strong automatic preference for dark skinned people over light skinned people," which really surprised me.

That is indeed surprising.

I know, I expected it to tell me I had a slight preference for white people. Quite the opposite, indeed. The preference was strong, and it was for darker skinned people. Did I mention I'm white? lol.

Post your results here.

As an aside, this test is uncomfortable to take.... or at least it made me really uncomfortable.

I've taken this test before. Both last time I took it, and this time, I got no preference.

Interesting.
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9/22/2016 5:36:45 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 2:36:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Slight for light over dark, which is exactly what I expected. My biggest problem was switching to the second set. I form habits strongly when I do things like this, so I kept trying to associate certain things with the last color that they were associated with. For example, the first was 'bad with white' and 'good with black', so I kept trying to do that as an automated response.

I had a similar issue.... I think?

I also think that people probably 'cheat' on the test because they don't want to get a bad score. It would be pretty easy to deliberately make mistakes in order to balance out a suspected bias.

Idk if mistakes are how they measure it.
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9/22/2016 5:38:29 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 5:36:45 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/22/2016 2:36:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Slight for light over dark, which is exactly what I expected. My biggest problem was switching to the second set. I form habits strongly when I do things like this, so I kept trying to associate certain things with the last color that they were associated with. For example, the first was 'bad with white' and 'good with black', so I kept trying to do that as an automated response.

I had a similar issue.... I think?

I also think that people probably 'cheat' on the test because they don't want to get a bad score. It would be pretty easy to deliberately make mistakes in order to balance out a suspected bias.

Idk if mistakes are how they measure it.

If not that, then it's reaction time, which is even more easy to game.
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9/22/2016 5:41:28 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 5:38:29 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 9/22/2016 5:36:45 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/22/2016 2:36:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Slight for light over dark, which is exactly what I expected. My biggest problem was switching to the second set. I form habits strongly when I do things like this, so I kept trying to associate certain things with the last color that they were associated with. For example, the first was 'bad with white' and 'good with black', so I kept trying to do that as an automated response.

I had a similar issue.... I think?

I also think that people probably 'cheat' on the test because they don't want to get a bad score. It would be pretty easy to deliberately make mistakes in order to balance out a suspected bias.

Idk if mistakes are how they measure it.

If not that, then it's reaction time, which is even more easy to game.

Well there may be other things too... like response time relative to other response times; and there's a number of ways those can be interplayed... and there's multiple different sections that would all have to be gamed...

So, I'm not sure that's as easy as you suggest... but I am highly skeptical of my result.
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9/22/2016 5:45:42 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
I put nearly no faith in the results of this test. Like Skep said, so much is dependent on reflexes and habits; unless EVERYTHING about motor functions and cognition as they relate to the task are dependent on implicit associations, then the results are flawed.

Of course, all tests have some level of uncertainty inherent in their results, but something like this, moreso.
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9/22/2016 5:49:50 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 5:35:58 AM, YYW wrote:
I know, I expected it to tell me I had a slight preference for white people. Quite the opposite, indeed. The preference was strong, and it was for darker skinned people. Did I mention I'm white? lol.

Yeah. I'm curious how that happened. What sorts of folks were you surrounded by growing up? Were your best friends black or hispanic? Favorite teachers?

What's also interesting is that I've had friends of mine who are black take this, and they've had the reverse happen, though it was only a slight preference for light skinned, not a strong one. Of course, that isn't as surprising, for obvious reasons.

Interesting.

I don't think it's too interesting... I have really fast reaction times (one of the reasons I'm naturally really good at video games without ever playing them), so it's not surprising. My answers were basically instant, so there's no way to express a preference in either direction.

Also, remember that discussion we had on unconscious racism? You insisted it wasn't possible. Did you change your mind on that?
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9/22/2016 5:59:48 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 5:49:50 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 9/22/2016 5:35:58 AM, YYW wrote:
I know, I expected it to tell me I had a slight preference for white people. Quite the opposite, indeed. The preference was strong, and it was for darker skinned people. Did I mention I'm white? lol.

Yeah. I'm curious how that happened. What sorts of folks were you surrounded by growing up? Were your best friends black or hispanic? Favorite teachers?

A lot of my friends were (and still are) Hispanic, Indian, Middle Eastern or Asian. Even though I grew up in a fairly white area, the school I went to had a lot of immigrant kids there. When in the forums I reference friends I have from far away places (like Pakistan, China, India, or friends who have emigrated to the United States from wherever) those are people that I regularly stay in contact with.

I'd say there was about a fairly even ratio of white to non-white friends. I've also had some very close people in my life who were black and two black professors as well as one local black politician I'm good friends with (though with whom I haven't kept in good contact, since I went to law school).

What's also interesting is that I've had friends of mine who are black take this, and they've had the reverse happen, though it was only a slight preference for light skinned, not a strong one. Of course, that isn't as surprising, for obvious reasons.

Idk. I was shocked at my result, and still am. It's been in the forefront of my mind since I took it earlier today. I expected a strong white preference, though I was informed that my "data" suggested otherwise.

Interesting.

I don't think it's too interesting... I have really fast reaction times (one of the reasons I'm naturally really good at video games without ever playing them), so it's not surprising. My answers were basically instant, so there's no way to express a preference in either direction.

Idk. My reaction times are sufficient to win a bar fight. That's what I know. I can also type pretty fast. But I'd be terrible at video games...

For example, this guy I'm sort of seeing right now is quite a fan of some of the first person shooters, and he beats me every time.

Also, remember that discussion we had on unconscious racism? You insisted it wasn't possible. Did you change your mind on that?

No. I am skeptical of my results because of how inconsistent they are with my understanding of myself. I think I know more about my attitudes and beliefs than a fifteen minute test.
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9/22/2016 7:12:49 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 1:31:34 AM, YYW wrote:
Take the "skin tone" IAT.

https://implicit.harvard.edu...

I got "strong automatic preference for dark skinned people over light skinned people," which really surprised me.

Post your results here.

As an aside, this test is uncomfortable to take.... or at least it made me really uncomfortable.

I got "no automatic preference between Dark Skinned People and Light Skinned People."
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9/22/2016 11:47:56 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
My result: Your data suggest a weak automatic preference for Black People over White People.
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9/22/2016 12:23:46 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
My skin tone result: Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People
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9/22/2016 12:52:49 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 12:23:46 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
My skin tone result: Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Light Skinned People over Dark Skinned People.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People"

eh? data and results conflict? Now mind you I think this has entertainment value only, but why does it conflict? Also switching the keys around etc was a bit problematic for me.
I'm a slightly religious conservative, this all should read strong preference for light skinned people, the liberals said so!!! How can this be? Are we in the matrix? Is there NO spoon, going to curl up the fetal position for a while, I'll be back later.
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9/22/2016 12:56:06 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 2:36:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Slight for light over dark, which is exactly what I expected. My biggest problem was switching to the second set. I form habits strongly when I do things like this, so I kept trying to associate certain things with the last color that they were associated with. For example, the first was 'bad with white' and 'good with black', so I kept trying to do that as an automated response.

I also think that people probably 'cheat' on the test because they don't want to get a bad score. It would be pretty easy to deliberately make mistakes in order to balance out a suspected bias.

for sure, but I think they somehow weigh the speed in which you answer so it's more of an automatic response rather than a rational thinking one, now keep in mind the one part was black and bad was the first choice, so they implanted an association that back = bad right at the beginning, don't know if the accounted for that, some wouldn't notice, others would and would over correct for this, hard to say, but it was entertaining.
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9/22/2016 9:54:13 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 1:31:34 AM, YYW wrote:
Take the "skin tone" IAT.

https://implicit.harvard.edu...

I got "strong automatic preference for dark skinned people over light skinned people," which really surprised me.

Post your results here.

As an aside, this test is uncomfortable to take.... or at least it made me really uncomfortable.

I got no preference.
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9/23/2016 12:17:40 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 12:52:49 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:23:46 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
My skin tone result: Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Light Skinned People over Dark Skinned People.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People"

eh? data and results conflict? Now mind you I think this has entertainment value only, but why does it conflict? Also switching the keys around etc was a bit problematic for me.
I'm a slightly religious conservative, this all should read strong preference for light skinned people, the liberals said so!!! How can this be? Are we in the matrix? Is there NO spoon, going to curl up the fetal position for a while, I'll be back later.

ok, ok, ok here's the make or break question of all time: A ZEBRA; is it black with white stripes or white with black stripes?
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9/23/2016 1:15:58 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 1:31:34 AM, YYW wrote:
Take the "skin tone" IAT.

https://implicit.harvard.edu...

I got "strong automatic preference for dark skinned people over light skinned people," which really surprised me.

Post your results here.

As an aside, this test is uncomfortable to take.... or at least it made me really uncomfortable.

Hmmm interesting

"Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American."
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9/23/2016 1:55:11 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/23/2016 12:17:40 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:52:49 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:23:46 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
My skin tone result: Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Light Skinned People over Dark Skinned People.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People"

eh? data and results conflict? Now mind you I think this has entertainment value only, but why does it conflict? Also switching the keys around etc was a bit problematic for me.
I'm a slightly religious conservative, this all should read strong preference for light skinned people, the liberals said so!!! How can this be? Are we in the matrix? Is there NO spoon, going to curl up the fetal position for a while, I'll be back later.

ok, ok, ok here's the make or break question of all time: A ZEBRA; is it black with white stripes or white with black stripes?

lol, what if it's albino?
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9/23/2016 10:56:32 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/23/2016 1:55:11 AM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/23/2016 12:17:40 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:52:49 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:23:46 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
My skin tone result: Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Light Skinned People over Dark Skinned People.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People"

eh? data and results conflict? Now mind you I think this has entertainment value only, but why does it conflict? Also switching the keys around etc was a bit problematic for me.
I'm a slightly religious conservative, this all should read strong preference for light skinned people, the liberals said so!!! How can this be? Are we in the matrix? Is there NO spoon, going to curl up the fetal position for a while, I'll be back later.

ok, ok, ok here's the make or break question of all time: A ZEBRA; is it black with white stripes or white with black stripes?

lol, what if it's albino?

Black with white stripes = Zebra

Albino zebra with invisible black stripes= Michael Jackson

Albino Zebra= Michael Jackson

Problem solved!
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9/23/2016 1:12:06 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/23/2016 10:56:32 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
At 9/23/2016 1:55:11 AM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/23/2016 12:17:40 AM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:52:49 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:23:46 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
My skin tone result: Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Light Skinned People over Dark Skinned People.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People"

eh? data and results conflict? Now mind you I think this has entertainment value only, but why does it conflict? Also switching the keys around etc was a bit problematic for me.
I'm a slightly religious conservative, this all should read strong preference for light skinned people, the liberals said so!!! How can this be? Are we in the matrix? Is there NO spoon, going to curl up the fetal position for a while, I'll be back later.

ok, ok, ok here's the make or break question of all time: A ZEBRA; is it black with white stripes or white with black stripes?

lol, what if it's albino?

Black with white stripes = Zebra

Albino zebra with invisible black stripes= Michael Jackson

Albino Zebra= Michael Jackson

Problem solved!

actually you have to ask the zebra if it's black with white stripes or white with black stripes, gender also, just saying. they are triggered by the word "lion" fyi
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9/23/2016 8:32:43 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 7:12:49 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 9/22/2016 1:31:34 AM, YYW wrote:
Take the "skin tone" IAT.

https://implicit.harvard.edu...

I got "strong automatic preference for dark skinned people over light skinned people," which really surprised me.

Post your results here.

As an aside, this test is uncomfortable to take.... or at least it made me really uncomfortable.

I got "no automatic preference between Dark Skinned People and Light Skinned People."

Me to. The website said, we are like 19% of people who took the test. WOOOO HOOO! LOOK AT ME! I'm boring!
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9/24/2016 3:18:22 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/22/2016 12:52:49 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/22/2016 12:23:46 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
My skin tone result: Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Light Skinned People over Dark Skinned People.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Dark Skinned People over Light Skinned People"

The former is *your* result. The latter is what your result is "described as," i.e. an example. The latter is just used to show you what the result looks like.
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9/24/2016 3:51:53 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
When I took one of these tests, I would always have a preference for whatever was shown first. I recall in the Black-White test, Whites and positive words/Blacks and negative words were shown before Blacks and positive words/Whites and negative words. Hence, why it stated I had a slight preference for Whites over Blacks.

I also do recall taking the gender career test, and it stated that I had slight bias towards viewing women in office and men at home, but that was only because women/office were shown first.

It was the same result with perhaps every test, it stated I had a preference for whichever one was displayed first. I'm guessing it is because I get "tired" and loose response time/get more confused the longer I do it. And that's the exact reason why I find these tests to be absolute BS.