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Gay men can't donate blood?

bluesteel
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1/15/2011 3:53:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I heard this recently because there are huge protests against the Red Cross on a bunch of college campuses, but apparently it's an FDA rule, not a Red Cross rule.

Did anyone else know this? wtf, so weird
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1/15/2011 3:56:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Of course, because everyone knows that gay people all have aids.
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1/15/2011 3:58:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 3:53:42 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I heard this recently because there are huge protests against the Red Cross on a bunch of college campuses, but apparently it's an FDA rule, not a Red Cross rule.

Did anyone else know this? wtf, so weird

WTF?! Dude I refuse to give blood if its going to discriminate like that. Like wtf people
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1/15/2011 4:05:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 4:02:57 PM, annhasle wrote:
I was unaware that sexual orientation affected blood.

Gay women can donate. The "official explanation" is that anal sex vastly increases HIV risk.
http://www.nytimes.com...
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1/15/2011 4:12:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm spreading the word on fb as we speak.
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1/15/2011 4:18:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 4:12:52 PM, lovelife wrote:
I'm spreading the word on fb as we speak.

lol nice. In theory, if enough people stop donating citing protest for the rule, they'll have to change it. Even the medical justification goes away when the policy threatens blood shortages.
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1/15/2011 4:19:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 3:58:54 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/15/2011 3:53:42 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I heard this recently because there are huge protests against the Red Cross on a bunch of college campuses, but apparently it's an FDA rule, not a Red Cross rule.

Did anyone else know this? wtf, so weird

WTF?! Dude I refuse to give blood if its going to discriminate like that. Like wtf people

That's a great idea. Let innocent people die because the FDA is retarded. I doubt you've ever given blood anyway.
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1/15/2011 4:47:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Actually, you know, when you think about it, this is actually kind of scary.

What, they can't test the gay man blood for HIV?

I can't be the only one weirded out by this.
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1/15/2011 4:54:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 4:47:48 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Actually, you know, when you think about it, this is actually kind of scary.

What, they can't test the gay man blood for HIV?

I can't be the only one weirded out by this.
It takes one month, sometimes even more, to detect HIV, after it has been transmitted.
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1/15/2011 4:54:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 4:19:56 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 1/15/2011 3:58:54 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/15/2011 3:53:42 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I heard this recently because there are huge protests against the Red Cross on a bunch of college campuses, but apparently it's an FDA rule, not a Red Cross rule.

Did anyone else know this? wtf, so weird

WTF?! Dude I refuse to give blood if its going to discriminate like that. Like wtf people

That's a great idea. Let innocent people die because the FDA is retarded. I doubt you've ever given blood anyway.

The FDA doesn't care they let innocent people die to satisfy their homophobic agendas.
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1/15/2011 4:55:58 PM
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At 1/15/2011 4:54:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/15/2011 4:19:56 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 1/15/2011 3:58:54 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/15/2011 3:53:42 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I heard this recently because there are huge protests against the Red Cross on a bunch of college campuses, but apparently it's an FDA rule, not a Red Cross rule.

Did anyone else know this? wtf, so weird

WTF?! Dude I refuse to give blood if its going to discriminate like that. Like wtf people

That's a great idea. Let innocent people die because the FDA is retarded. I doubt you've ever given blood anyway.

The FDA doesn't care they let innocent people die to satisfy their homophobic agendas.

Did you read the article that Bluesteel posted?
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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1/15/2011 4:57:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 4:05:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 1/15/2011 4:02:57 PM, annhasle wrote:
I was unaware that sexual orientation affected blood.

Gay women can donate. The "official explanation" is that anal sex vastly increases HIV risk.
http://www.nytimes.com...:

While it is true that anal sex increases the risk of transmitting HIV, a straight man and a straight woman run the exact same risk. Secondly, ANYONE can have AIDS for any number of reasons. So why be extra selective when it comes to gay men?

Or here's a novel idea... Check the f*cking blood for HIV before you stock it on the shelves.
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1/15/2011 4:58:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 4:02:57 PM, annhasle wrote:
I was unaware that sexual orientation affected blood.:

Yep, it's in the same category as Cooties. Highly contagious!

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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1/15/2011 5:00:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Did people not know this? I thought it was obvious when one of the questions they asked is "have you had sex with a person of the same sex since 1984 (or whatever the year is, I don't quite remember it)?"
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1/15/2011 5:01:20 PM
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It takes one month, sometimes even more, to detect HIV, after it has been transmitted.:

HIV can lie dormant for years. I don't deny that gay men and intravenous drug users are at the highest risk, however, a straight man and a straight woman can just as easily transmit the disease. So why even be selective?
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1/15/2011 5:02:28 PM
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At 1/15/2011 5:01:20 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
It takes one month, sometimes even more, to detect HIV, after it has been transmitted.:

HIV can lie dormant for years. I don't deny that gay men and intravenous drug users are at the highest risk, however, a straight man and a straight woman can just as easily transmit the disease. So why even be selective?
1. I didn't make a case for them.
2. Perhaps due to the fact that gay men have anal sex 100% of the time they have sex, generally. It doesn't apply to straight couples.
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1/15/2011 5:03:12 PM
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At 1/15/2011 5:00:15 PM, OreEle wrote:
Did people not know this? I thought it was obvious when one of the questions they asked is "have you had sex with a person of the same sex since 1984 (or whatever the year is, I don't quite remember it)?":

Yeah, I've known about it, but I don't think we've discussed it here. They don't let people who've gotten a new tattoo within 6 months give blood either.
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1/15/2011 5:03:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 5:01:20 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
It takes one month, sometimes even more, to detect HIV, after it has been transmitted.:

HIV can lie dormant for years. I don't deny that gay men and intravenous drug users are at the highest risk, however, a straight man and a straight woman can just as easily transmit the disease. So why even be selective?

Just because you can't be perfect, doesn't mean you should ignore it all together.
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1/15/2011 5:05:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 5:03:12 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 1/15/2011 5:00:15 PM, OreEle wrote:
Did people not know this? I thought it was obvious when one of the questions they asked is "have you had sex with a person of the same sex since 1984 (or whatever the year is, I don't quite remember it)?":

Yeah, I've known about it, but I don't think we've discussed it here. They don't let people who've gotten a new tattoo within 6 months give blood either.

In certain states. In Oregon you still can, because our Tattoo industry is regulated, but in Washington, if you've gotten one in the last 12 months, you can't because their tattoo industry is unregulated.
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1/15/2011 5:06:03 PM
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pretty sure when they instituted that rule there was no effective way to test the blood for HIV, which meant huge risks for the people receiving the blood. and homosexuals were statistically more likely to have the disease. now that testing is widely available however, i'm not sure why it hasn't been repealed...
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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1/15/2011 5:12:37 PM
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At 1/15/2011 4:55:58 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/15/2011 4:54:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/15/2011 4:19:56 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 1/15/2011 3:58:54 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/15/2011 3:53:42 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I heard this recently because there are huge protests against the Red Cross on a bunch of college campuses, but apparently it's an FDA rule, not a Red Cross rule.

Did anyone else know this? wtf, so weird

WTF?! Dude I refuse to give blood if its going to discriminate like that. Like wtf people

That's a great idea. Let innocent people die because the FDA is retarded. I doubt you've ever given blood anyway.

The FDA doesn't care they let innocent people die to satisfy their homophobic agendas.

Did you read the article that Bluesteel posted?

I read two different ones
http://www.google.com...
http://gaylife.about.com...
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lovelife
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1/15/2011 5:14:33 PM
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At 1/15/2011 5:06:03 PM, belle wrote:
pretty sure when they instituted that rule there was no effective way to test the blood for HIV, which meant huge risks for the people receiving the blood. and homosexuals were statistically more likely to have the disease. now that testing is widely available however, i'm not sure why it hasn't been repealed...

The FDA doesn't want to.
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1/15/2011 5:16:39 PM
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HIV can lie dormant for years. I don't deny that gay men and intravenous drug users are at the highest risk, however, a straight man and a straight woman can just as easily transmit the disease. So why even be selective?

Just because you can't be perfect, doesn't mean you should ignore it all together.:

Meaning?
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1/15/2011 5:34:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 5:16:39 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

HIV can lie dormant for years. I don't deny that gay men and intravenous drug users are at the highest risk, however, a straight man and a straight woman can just as easily transmit the disease. So why even be selective?

Just because you can't be perfect, doesn't mean you should ignore it all together.:

Meaning?

AIDs is transmitted mostly through gay men and drug use. So by selectively preventing those, it greatly reduces the risk of HIV in the blood donations. granted it does not stop 100%, but it does stop most.
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1/15/2011 5:42:18 PM
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Gangs are mostly black men. So by selectively preventing those, [from owning guns] it greatly reduces the risk of gangs in the cities. granted it does not stop 100%, but it does stop most.

j/s
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1/15/2011 5:42:39 PM
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I've checked and there is no such ruling here in the UK - I mentioned this to my sister tonight and she was incredulous and outraged that the US should discriminate against homosexuals in such a blatant manner.

Why should they? There are no gay genes in blood.

Or are there?
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1/15/2011 5:45:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/15/2011 5:00:15 PM, OreEle wrote:
Did people not know this? I thought it was obvious when one of the questions they asked is "have you had sex with a person of the same sex since 1984 (or whatever the year is, I don't quite remember it)?"

Never given blood . . . I have a massive needle phobia
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1/15/2011 5:45:21 PM
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At 1/15/2011 5:42:18 PM, lovelife wrote:
Gangs are mostly black men. So by selectively preventing those, [from owning guns] it greatly reduces the risk of gangs in the cities. granted it does not stop 100%, but it does stop most.


j/s

Gang members use illegal guns which....oh wait, analogy fail.

j/s
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