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SuperRobotWars
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1/16/2011 12:52:08 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
What do you all think of those eugenicists who believe in the sterilization of the poor for they assume some genetic factor makes them rich and successful and keeps the poor well poor as well as believing that the rich are the most productive members of society is the sole reason for sterilizing the everyone else but themselves . . . they fail to recognize that there must always be a lower class to support the higher classes, the importance of remedial labor, the importance of socioeconomic factors, and just about every variable of importance in the world . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
innomen
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1/16/2011 12:56:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/16/2011 12:52:08 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
What do you all think of those eugenicists who believe in the sterilization of the poor for they assume some genetic factor makes them rich and successful and keeps the poor well poor as well as believing that the rich are the most productive members of society is the sole reason for sterilizing the everyone else but themselves . . . they fail to recognize that there must always be a lower class to support the higher classes, the importance of remedial labor, the importance of socioeconomic factors, and just about every variable of importance in the world . . .

Exactly which geneticist believes people are poor due to genes, and would like to sterilize them?
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1/16/2011 1:03:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/16/2011 12:52:08 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
What do you all think of those eugenicists who believe in the sterilization of the poor for they assume some genetic factor makes them rich and successful and keeps the poor well poor as well as believing that the rich are the most productive members of society is the sole reason for sterilizing the everyone else but themselves . . . they fail to recognize that there must always be a lower class to support the higher classes, the importance of remedial labor, the importance of socioeconomic factors, and just about every variable of importance in the world . . .

I almost ran out of breath reading this. Periods and commas, lol.

But I have to agree with Innomen, who is saying that being poor is genetic?

I know that many people believe that it is environmental, that poor families raise their children with a mindset that accepts being poor, rather then trying to get out of being poor. But I don't know any that think it is genetic.
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SuperRobotWars
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1/16/2011 1:07:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/16/2011 12:56:37 PM, innomen wrote:
At 1/16/2011 12:52:08 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
What do you all think of those eugenicists who believe in the sterilization of the poor for they assume some genetic factor makes them rich and successful and keeps the poor well poor as well as believing that the rich are the most productive members of society is the sole reason for sterilizing the everyone else but themselves . . . they fail to recognize that there must always be a lower class to support the higher classes, the importance of remedial labor, the importance of socioeconomic factors, and just about every variable of importance in the world . . .

Exactly which geneticist believes people are poor due to genes, and would like to sterilize them?

I read a history of genetics and there was an chapter on the rise and fall of eugenics, it starts wit talking about animal and plant domestication, then it leads into the eugenics movement, the first members of this movement simply wanted to remove biological ailments such as mental retardation and other such diseases y the selective breeding of humans (freedom of will, no sterilization) then some rich eugenicists believed that there was an biological factor which made the poor and tried to push sterilization of the poor, I just cant remember the books name . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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1/16/2011 1:08:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Eugenicists don't understand that poor people are still productive. Thanks to capital accumulation, the "fitness" level required to produce more than you consume (earn a living) is always decreasing.
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SuperRobotWars
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1/16/2011 1:13:13 PM
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At 1/16/2011 1:08:19 PM, Sieben wrote:
Eugenicists don't understand that poor people are still productive. Thanks to capital accumulation, the "fitness" level required to produce more than you consume (earn a living) is always decreasing.

I am talking about this particular type of eugenicist not all types, my great great great great great Jamaican grandfather was a eugenicist who brew rum, when a particular strain of yeast did not meet standards it was destroyed leaving only finer yeast strains, eugenics . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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1/16/2011 1:16:26 PM
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Yea really eugenicists should support a genetic caste system, with only limited mobility.
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1/16/2011 1:25:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/16/2011 1:13:13 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 1/16/2011 1:08:19 PM, Sieben wrote:
Eugenicists don't understand that poor people are still productive. Thanks to capital accumulation, the "fitness" level required to produce more than you consume (earn a living) is always decreasing.

I am talking about this particular type of eugenicist not all types, my great great great great great Jamaican grandfather was a eugenicist who brew rum, when a particular strain of yeast did not meet standards it was destroyed leaving only finer yeast strains, eugenics . . .

In the OP you wrote "What do you all think of those eugenicists who believe in the sterilization of the poor"

So yeast is non topical. Learn to read your own posts.
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1/16/2011 1:51:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/16/2011 1:25:26 PM, Sieben wrote:
At 1/16/2011 1:13:13 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 1/16/2011 1:08:19 PM, Sieben wrote:
Eugenicists don't understand that poor people are still productive. Thanks to capital accumulation, the "fitness" level required to produce more than you consume (earn a living) is always decreasing.

I am talking about this particular type of eugenicist not all types, my great great great great great Jamaican grandfather was a eugenicist who brew rum, when a particular strain of yeast did not meet standards it was destroyed leaving only finer yeast strains, eugenics . . .

In the OP you wrote "What do you all think of those eugenicists who believe in the sterilization of the poor"

So yeast is non topical. Learn to read your own posts.

I was trying to remind you to be specific bout which type of eugenicist you are referring to, and yeast can be found at tropical regions, plus these are the sugar islands the number one producers of rum, look at Africa tons of people brew there and it is tropical http://en.wikipedia.org... http://journals.cambridge.org... don't get e started . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
SuperRobotWars
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1/16/2011 1:57:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/16/2011 1:56:01 PM, innomen wrote:
I'm thinking you pulled that OP out of your rear end.

Nope it was from a book . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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1/16/2011 2:31:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Eugenics obviously has pro's and con's. The slippery slope about it is outlined in the movie GATICA, where people who's genes have not been manipulated are treated as inferiors. Could be the next type of discrimination.

I think any time we play God there's bound to be some drawbacks, no matter how positive the positives are.
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1/16/2011 2:36:16 PM
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I totally spelled that wrong. It's "Gattaca," which is a clever way of arranging a gene sequence.
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