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kevin24018
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10/10/2016 1:47:31 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
So watched this documentary last night, was pretty disturbing to say the least. Food, Inc 2009
http://www.rense.com...
Monsanto Sends Seed-Saving Farmer To Prison
our food is so subsidized by tax dollars it was so cheap that we sold and shipped it to other countries and put their farmers out of business, then the price of oil went up raising the price, those countries dependent on our cheap corn etc are now starving. Look at corn and wheat as well same thing. People in the corporate structure of Monsanto have been appointed to powerful government positions by both Bush (don't remember which one or both maybe) and Clinton just to name a few, so it's the blame of both parties. The USDA inspections are joke, look at all the e-coli out breaks in all foods, not just meats. This also ties into illegal (criminal) immigrants (aliens).
People need to wake up and get government back under control of the people and out of our personal lives.
NHN
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10/10/2016 2:44:02 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 1:47:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
So watched this documentary last night, was pretty disturbing to say the least. Food, Inc 2009
http://www.rense.com... [...]
You should do a minimum of research before watching any amount of nonsense. Like this (https://en.wikipedia.org...). A 9/11 truther, UFO moron, and David Duke sympatico is hardly the backdrop for reliability and seasoned reflection.

But, then again, maybe you don't care much for facts and reality in the first place.
kevin24018
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10/10/2016 3:04:29 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 2:44:02 PM, NHN wrote:
At 10/10/2016 1:47:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
So watched this documentary last night, was pretty disturbing to say the least. Food, Inc 2009
http://www.rense.com... [...]
You should do a minimum of research before watching any amount of nonsense. Like this (https://en.wikipedia.org...). A 9/11 truther, UFO moron, and David Duke sympatico is hardly the backdrop for reliability and seasoned reflection.

But, then again, maybe you don't care much for facts and reality in the first place.

Monsanto lobbies the United States Congress and the U.S. Department of Agriculture about regulations that would affect the production and distribution of genetically engineered produce.[223] In 2011, Monsanto spent about $6.3 million.[224] In comparison, the 20th highest spender, Pfizer, spent $12.9 million.[225] US diplomats in Europe have worked directly for Monsanto.
see U.S. public officials' connections
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Ninety percent of the U.S. soybean crop and 80% of the corn crop and cotton crop are grown with seeds containing Monsanto"s technology.
The Justice Department is looking broadly at competition in agriculture"and is asking questions about Monsanto"s practices in particular.
http://www.forbes.com...

http://www.npr.org...

Mexican Farmers Affected By Agricultural Subsidies
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
The dairy industry, an example of a subsidized industry
between 1997 and 2005, Mexico was flooded with agricultural imports exported at prices below production costs.
In his research, the eight products studied included corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton, rice, beef, pork and poultry.
kevin24018
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10/10/2016 3:06:55 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
the one doing the documentary wasn't of any importance to me, but rather the first hand experience and testimony of those interviewed and their stories, especially the independent farmers.
NHN
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10/10/2016 3:28:46 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 3:06:55 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
the one doing the documentary wasn't of any importance to me, but rather the first hand experience and testimony of those interviewed and their stories, especially the independent farmers.
Out of all the possible sources you could have picked, you went for a documentary pinned up by a guy that is certifiably insane.

I hope you understands that this makes you a crackpot.

/end thread
kevin24018
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10/10/2016 3:29:54 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 3:28:46 PM, NHN wrote:
At 10/10/2016 3:06:55 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
the one doing the documentary wasn't of any importance to me, but rather the first hand experience and testimony of those interviewed and their stories, especially the independent farmers.
Out of all the possible sources you could have picked, you went for a documentary pinned up by a guy that is certifiably insane.

I hope you understands that this makes you a crackpot.

/end thread

did you watch it? did you read anything or that i wrote I didn't listen to what he said? that makes you a douche.
Quadrunner
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10/10/2016 10:33:11 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 1:47:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
So watched this documentary last night, was pretty disturbing to say the least. Food, Inc 2009
http://www.rense.com...
Monsanto Sends Seed-Saving Farmer To Prison
our food is so subsidized by tax dollars it was so cheap that we sold and shipped it to other countries and put their farmers out of business, then the price of oil went up raising the price, those countries dependent on our cheap corn etc are now starving. Look at corn and wheat as well same thing. People in the corporate structure of Monsanto have been appointed to powerful government positions by both Bush (don't remember which one or both maybe) and Clinton just to name a few, so it's the blame of both parties. The USDA inspections are joke, look at all the e-coli out breaks in all foods, not just meats. This also ties into illegal (criminal) immigrants (aliens).
People need to wake up and get government back under control of the people and out of our personal lives.

Monsanto is bordering the gray area next to a monopoly. They are very competitive, pull a lot of strings, and everything they do is legal. All of their product is under the seed equivalent of copyright so if you try to save seed you are in trouble. You gotta pay full price to those guys or they've got plenty of sway to put you in the collection bin with the others. They put all sorts of research down to keep their own afloat. Quite a company. Very influential. This kind of cut throat is practiced in all sorts of fields. Small competitive companies will successfully get a bid, and the large company will purchase the small company, take the bid, then dismantle its new division for financial reasons, maybe keeping a couple "necessary" cherry picks....That's a regularly practiced reality.

They've got a right to lobby I suppose, but anything they are doing in government probably aint good as their goals are similar to the Apple mentality where they disable free reproduction and make it proprietary. That makes it harder for the small time farmer to compete if they can't get the good seed and can't afford to plant come spring. We'd be better off if it was all run through Universities and fair play organizations in my opinion. I'm usually for smaller government, but a lot more kids could get paid through school, gain experience in their field, and there would be lower odds of corruption and more rights for the common farmer if the playing field was just leveled.

That's never going to be of interest to most people because its part of a long standing lucrative system that shant have compelling alternatives brought up and promoted. Its very similar to the health care system, except its foreign to the masses. Instead the public is always loosely focused on foreign conflict, and whatever fad the news is exploiting.

Interestingly, Monsanto has heavily invested in the Clinton Campaign. I'm not sure if they're afraid of Trump or have some breakthrough on the horizon....

That guy who responded came across as a dick. I guess we all have our days sooner or later.
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kevin24018
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10/10/2016 10:53:07 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 10:33:11 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 10/10/2016 1:47:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
So watched this documentary last night, was pretty disturbing to say the least. Food, Inc 2009
http://www.rense.com...
Monsanto Sends Seed-Saving Farmer To Prison
our food is so subsidized by tax dollars it was so cheap that we sold and shipped it to other countries and put their farmers out of business, then the price of oil went up raising the price, those countries dependent on our cheap corn etc are now starving. Look at corn and wheat as well same thing. People in the corporate structure of Monsanto have been appointed to powerful government positions by both Bush (don't remember which one or both maybe) and Clinton just to name a few, so it's the blame of both parties. The USDA inspections are joke, look at all the e-coli out breaks in all foods, not just meats. This also ties into illegal (criminal) immigrants (aliens).
People need to wake up and get government back under control of the people and out of our personal lives.

Monsanto is bordering the gray area next to a monopoly. They are very competitive, pull a lot of strings, and everything they do is legal. All of their product is under the seed equivalent of copyright so if you try to save seed you are in trouble. You gotta pay full price to those guys or they've got plenty of sway to put you in the collection bin with the others. They put all sorts of research down to keep their own afloat. Quite a company. Very influential. This kind of cut throat is practiced in all sorts of fields. Small competitive companies will successfully get a bid, and the large company will purchase the small company, take the bid, then dismantle its new division for financial reasons, maybe keeping a couple "necessary" cherry picks....That's a regularly practiced reality.

They've got a right to lobby I suppose, but anything they are doing in government probably aint good as their goals are similar to the Apple mentality where they disable free reproduction and make it proprietary. That makes it harder for the small time farmer to compete if they can't get the good seed and can't afford to plant come spring. We'd be better off if it was all run through Universities and fair play organizations in my opinion. I'm usually for smaller government, but a lot more kids could get paid through school, gain experience in their field, and there would be lower odds of corruption and more rights for the common farmer if the playing field was just leveled.

That's never going to be of interest to most people because its part of a long standing lucrative system that shant have compelling alternatives brought up and promoted. Its very similar to the health care system, except its foreign to the masses. Instead the public is always loosely focused on foreign conflict, and whatever fad the news is exploiting.

Interestingly, Monsanto has heavily invested in the Clinton Campaign. I'm not sure if they're afraid of Trump or have some breakthrough on the horizon....

That guy who responded came across as a dick. I guess we all have our days sooner or later.

it's very scary to me when you add in corn etc, all the things made from it and the potential environmental adverse effects, corn isn't the natural food of cows and it is claimed the deadly acid resistant e-coli is coming from cows eating corn, when I have time I'll look into that because that I can understand and know a bit about.
Wylted
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10/11/2016 1:23:33 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 3:28:46 PM, NHN wrote:
At 10/10/2016 3:06:55 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
the one doing the documentary wasn't of any importance to me, but rather the first hand experience and testimony of those interviewed and their stories, especially the independent farmers.
Out of all the possible sources you could have picked, you went for a documentary pinned up by a guy that is certifiably insane.

I hope you understands that this makes you a crackpot.

/end thread

Genetic fallacy
Kynikos
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10/11/2016 2:52:17 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 1:23:33 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/10/2016 3:28:46 PM, NHN wrote:
At 10/10/2016 3:06:55 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
the one doing the documentary wasn't of any importance to me, but rather the first hand experience and testimony of those interviewed and their stories, especially the independent farmers.
Out of all the possible sources you could have picked, you went for a documentary pinned up by a guy that is certifiably insane.

I hope you understands that this makes you a crackpot.

/end thread

Genetic fallacy
What else to expect from our resident snobby prole.
kevin24018
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10/11/2016 4:04:45 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
"Research reported in the Sept. 11 issue of the journal Science indicates that grain-based cattle diets promote the growth of E. coli that can survive the acidity of the human stomach and cause intestinal illness. E. coli contamination is responsible for more than 20,000 infections and 200 deaths each year in the United States."
http://www.news.cornell.edu...
corn uses
http://www.bcps.org...
http://www.reuters.com...
dependency on corn, which ties into subsides
http://ensia.com...
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com...
Quadrunner
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10/11/2016 9:43:21 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 4:04:45 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
"Research reported in the Sept. 11 issue of the journal Science indicates that grain-based cattle diets promote the growth of E. coli that can survive the acidity of the human stomach and cause intestinal illness. E. coli contamination is responsible for more than 20,000 infections and 200 deaths each year in the United States."
http://www.news.cornell.edu...
corn uses
http://www.bcps.org...
http://www.reuters.com...
dependency on corn, which ties into subsides
http://ensia.com...
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com...

Yeesh...Gonna have to start cutting back on the cattle sushi. Its only a matter of time.
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kevin24018
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10/11/2016 10:53:30 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 9:43:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:04:45 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
"Research reported in the Sept. 11 issue of the journal Science indicates that grain-based cattle diets promote the growth of E. coli that can survive the acidity of the human stomach and cause intestinal illness. E. coli contamination is responsible for more than 20,000 infections and 200 deaths each year in the United States."
http://www.news.cornell.edu...
corn uses
http://www.bcps.org...
http://www.reuters.com...
dependency on corn, which ties into subsides
http://ensia.com...
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com...

Yeesh...Gonna have to start cutting back on the cattle sushi. Its only a matter of time.

grass fed is ok :)
Greyparrot
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10/11/2016 11:12:34 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 2:52:17 AM, Kynikos wrote:
At 10/11/2016 1:23:33 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/10/2016 3:28:46 PM, NHN wrote:
At 10/10/2016 3:06:55 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
the one doing the documentary wasn't of any importance to me, but rather the first hand experience and testimony of those interviewed and their stories, especially the independent farmers.
Out of all the possible sources you could have picked, you went for a documentary pinned up by a guy that is certifiably insane.

I hope you understands that this makes you a crackpot.

/end thread

Genetic fallacy
What else to expect from our resident snobby prole.

Resident prole...have to sock that one away for later.