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11/3/2016 3:01:38 AM
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Are conservative whites fighting a war on police? They are the demographic that kills the most officers...

http://www.cnn.com...

There were so many outrage threads in the aftermath of the Dallas shooting... Can't imagine why there are none about this one.
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11/3/2016 3:14:48 AM
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At 11/3/2016 3:01:38 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Are conservative whites fighting a war on police? They are the demographic that kills the most officers...

http://www.cnn.com...

There were so many outrage threads in the aftermath of the Dallas shooting... Can't imagine why there are none about this one.

Clearly, you know the answer to that question. If it was a black gang banger that shot cops, the [entirely white, middle class usually subusbanites] would have a field day with it. If it's some white trash redneck, then they're not going to say anything, for the obvious reasons: shooter was white.
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11/3/2016 3:22:10 AM
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At 11/3/2016 3:14:48 AM, YYW wrote:
At 11/3/2016 3:01:38 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Are conservative whites fighting a war on police? They are the demographic that kills the most officers...

http://www.cnn.com...

There were so many outrage threads in the aftermath of the Dallas shooting... Can't imagine why there are none about this one.

Clearly, you know the answer to that question. If it was a black gang banger that shot cops, the [entirely white, middle class usually subusbanites] would have a field day with it. If it's some white trash redneck, then they're not going to say anything, for the obvious reasons: shooter was white.

Sad, but very true.
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11/3/2016 3:38:26 AM
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"Supporting the police" isn't about supporting the police.

Maybe the Black Panthers were right all along.
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11/3/2016 4:58:36 AM
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Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.
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11/3/2016 5:00:20 AM
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In any case, whites didn't start the virulently anti-cop movement which is BLM.
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11/3/2016 6:57:50 AM
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How about the whites go back to europe, the blacks go back to africa and give the country back to the indians?

Alternatively americans should have their guns taken away until they learn to play nicely together.
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11/3/2016 1:27:00 PM
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At 11/3/2016 4:58:36 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"
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11/3/2016 1:27:12 PM
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At 11/3/2016 6:57:50 AM, keithprosser wrote:
How about the whites go back to europe, the blacks go back to africa and give the country back to the indians?

Alternatively americans should have their guns taken away until they learn to play nicely together.

lol
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11/3/2016 1:40:47 PM
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At 11/3/2016 1:27:00 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 11/3/2016 4:58:36 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"

Both the numbers of people killed by cops and the number of cops killed by people are small enough to be irrelevant.
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11/3/2016 1:43:14 PM
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I am, of course, simply taking your word for it. Can you show that more cops are killed by cops than whites than by blacks?
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11/3/2016 1:44:08 PM
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At 11/3/2016 1:43:14 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I am, of course, simply taking your word for it. Can you show that more cops are killed by whites than by blacks?

Fixed
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11/3/2016 2:11:20 PM
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At 11/3/2016 3:38:26 AM, Kynikos wrote:
"Supporting the police" isn't about supporting the police.

Maybe the Black Panthers were right all along.

Whoa there. Lets not go too far lol. See what you mean tho
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11/3/2016 2:19:57 PM
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At 11/3/2016 1:43:14 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I am, of course, simply taking your word for it. Can you show that more cops are killed by cops than whites than by blacks?

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

"There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540 offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black."
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11/3/2016 2:20:53 PM
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At 11/3/2016 1:40:47 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/3/2016 1:27:00 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 11/3/2016 4:58:36 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"

Both the numbers of people killed by cops and the number of cops killed by people are small enough to be irrelevant.

How many annual police killings would warrant relevancy, in your mind?
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11/3/2016 2:30:36 PM
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At 11/3/2016 2:20:53 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 11/3/2016 1:40:47 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/3/2016 1:27:00 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 11/3/2016 4:58:36 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"

Both the numbers of people killed by cops and the number of cops killed by people are small enough to be irrelevant.

How many annual police killings would warrant relevancy, in your mind?

It'd have to be well over a thousand people every year.
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11/3/2016 2:38:12 PM
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At 11/3/2016 2:30:36 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/3/2016 2:20:53 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 11/3/2016 1:40:47 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/3/2016 1:27:00 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 11/3/2016 4:58:36 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"

Both the numbers of people killed by cops and the number of cops killed by people are small enough to be irrelevant.

How many annual police killings would warrant relevancy, in your mind?

It'd have to be well over a thousand people every year.

According to the Washington Post, 991 people were killed by cops last year and we are at 803 this year: https://www.washingtonpost.com...
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11/3/2016 3:20:33 PM
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At 11/3/2016 1:27:00 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 11/3/2016 4:58:36 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"

Which per capita is involved in more criminality?

That lends itself to being more closely involved with the police, for better or worse.
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11/3/2016 3:26:12 PM
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At 11/3/2016 3:01:38 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Are conservative whites fighting a war on police? They are the demographic that kills the most officers...

http://www.cnn.com...

There were so many outrage threads in the aftermath of the Dallas shooting... Can't imagine why there are none about this one.

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11/4/2016 2:17:29 PM
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People on reddit were blaming BLM for this one, before the shooter's ifentity was revealed, lol.
At 10/3/2016 11:49:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
BLACK LIVES MATTER!
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11/4/2016 2:21:04 PM
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At 11/3/2016 5:00:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
In any case, whites didn't start the virulently anti-cop movement which is BLM.

So do I get tho blame you "don't tread on me", "blacks complain too much" (which the shooter was) conservative types for this shooting?
At 10/3/2016 11:49:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
BLACK LIVES MATTER!
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11/4/2016 3:32:59 PM
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At 11/4/2016 2:21:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/3/2016 5:00:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
In any case, whites didn't start the virulently anti-cop movement which is BLM.

So do I get tho blame you "don't tread on me", "blacks complain too much" (which the shooter was) conservative types for this shooting?

Vox needs to take accountability and personally apologize for this shooting. He and the rest of the Tea Party community have created a culture of violence and thug mentality that encourages people to disobey the law.
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11/4/2016 3:40:24 PM
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At 11/3/2016 3:20:33 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/3/2016 1:27:00 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 11/3/2016 4:58:36 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"

Which per capita is involved in more criminality?

That lends itself to being more closely involved with the police, for better or worse.

Let me get this straight... You're arguing that black people commit more crimes than whites, therefore have more interactions with the police on a per capita basis. First of all, that's not necessarily true. But even assuming that's true, in your mind, that explains why police kill blacks at a higher rate than whites... so doesn't that also explain why per capita blacks kill more cops than whites?

Cognitive dissonance is real y'all
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11/4/2016 3:47:56 PM
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Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"

Which per capita is involved in more criminality?

That lends itself to being more closely involved with the police, for better or worse.

Let me get this straight... You're arguing that black people commit more crimes than whites.

Per capita. Is that a fact or not? Lets start there.

therefore have more interactions with the police on a per capita basis. First of all, that's not necessarily true.

But, it is highly likely. Criminality tends to have police called. Is that a fact or not?

But even assuming that's true, in your mind, that explains why police kill blacks at a higher rate than whites... so doesn't that also explain why per capita blacks kill more cops than whites?

Yes. I higher rate of criminality and violent tendency would cause a similar reaction by law enforcement to neutralize such criminality or violent tendency.


Cognitive dissonance is real y'all

Well, you are welcome to explain how a demographic having a higher rate of criminality won't cause more police interaction, I suppose, and why less involvement with the police would result in MORE shootings, I suppose.

Good luck, though.
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11/5/2016 1:17:31 PM
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At 11/4/2016 3:32:59 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 11/4/2016 2:21:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/3/2016 5:00:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
In any case, whites didn't start the virulently anti-cop movement which is BLM.

So do I get tho blame you "don't tread on me", "blacks complain too much" (which the shooter was) conservative types for this shooting?

Vox needs to take accountability and personally apologize for this shooting. He and the rest of the Tea Party community have created a culture of violence and thug mentality that encourages people to disobey the law.

Exactly.
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BLACK LIVES MATTER!
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11/5/2016 2:36:04 PM
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At 11/4/2016 3:47:56 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"

Which per capita is involved in more criminality?

That lends itself to being more closely involved with the police, for better or worse.

Let me get this straight... You're arguing that black people commit more crimes than whites.

Per capita. Is that a fact or not? Lets start there.


therefore have more interactions with the police on a per capita basis. First of all, that's not necessarily true.

But, it is highly likely. Criminality tends to have police called. Is that a fact or not?

But even assuming that's true, in your mind, that explains why police kill blacks at a higher rate than whites... so doesn't that also explain why per capita blacks kill more cops than whites?

Yes. I higher rate of criminality and violent tendency would cause a similar reaction by law enforcement to neutralize such criminality or violent tendency.


Cognitive dissonance is real y'all

Well, you are welcome to explain how a demographic having a higher rate of criminality won't cause more police interaction, I suppose, and why less involvement with the police would result in MORE shootings, I suppose.

Good luck, though.

"...there is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates."

Next.

http://journals.plos.org...
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BLACK LIVES MATTER!
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11/5/2016 3:12:34 PM
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At 11/3/2016 4:58:36 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

More whites yes but where are their parents? Why are whites causing trouble instead of working? Why are they killing people? Sounds familiar?
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11/5/2016 3:44:57 PM
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At 11/5/2016 2:36:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/4/2016 3:47:56 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Whites comprise the majority of the population. On a per capita basis I'm sure that blacks kill cops much more frequently.

So you only care about adjusting per capita when it helps white people look less violent. How about when police kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than unarmed white men? Or is the response to that still "police kill more whites than blacks"

Which per capita is involved in more criminality?

That lends itself to being more closely involved with the police, for better or worse.

Let me get this straight... You're arguing that black people commit more crimes than whites.


Per capita. Is that a fact or not? Lets start there.

Is this fact or fiction, please. I asked to start here for a reason.



therefore have more interactions with the police on a per capita basis. First of all, that's not necessarily true.

But, it is highly likely. Criminality tends to have police called. Is that a fact or not?

You forgot to answer the question.

But even assuming that's true, in your mind, that explains why police kill blacks at a higher rate than whites... so doesn't that also explain why per capita blacks kill more cops than whites?

Yes. I higher rate of criminality and violent tendency would cause a similar reaction by law enforcement to neutralize such criminality or violent tendency.


Cognitive dissonance is real y'all

Well, you are welcome to explain how a demographic having a higher rate of criminality won't cause more police interaction, I suppose, and why less involvement with the police would result in MORE shootings, I suppose.

Good luck, though.

"...there is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates."

In your own words, what exactly does that mean?


Next.

http://journals.plos.org...
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11/6/2016 5:37:40 PM
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At 11/3/2016 3:01:38 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Are conservative whites fighting a war on police? They are the demographic that kills the most officers...

http://www.cnn.com...

There were so many outrage threads in the aftermath of the Dallas shooting... Can't imagine why there are none about this one.

Blue lives matter is a direct response to "Black lives matter". Because Black lives matter is not a part of the conversation, there is no reason to mention blue lives matter

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11/6/2016 10:51:49 PM
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At 11/6/2016 5:37:40 PM, ken1122 wrote:
At 11/3/2016 3:01:38 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Are conservative whites fighting a war on police? They are the demographic that kills the most officers...

http://www.cnn.com...

There were so many outrage threads in the aftermath of the Dallas shooting... Can't imagine why there are none about this one.

Blue lives matter is a direct response to "Black lives matter". Because Black lives matter is not a part of the conversation, there is no reason to mention blue lives matter

Ken

Do you also go to breast cancer rallies yelling "AIDS patients matter!"