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11/10/2016 7:25:40 AM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
I don't mean to imply that Donald Trump is racist with this post; that would be counterproductive, especially at this point. What I do mean to imply is that racism in America (and the UK) is a problem that exists, and it's getting worse. Just take a look at all the incidents of just the past day.

High school vandal writes "#whitesonly, #whitesamerica", and something obscene that has been censored by the reporting outlet: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com...

A Muslim student at San Diego State University had her belongings stolen, with the attackers reportedly making comments about Muslims and Trump: http://www.kpbs.org...

Some minority students had their home vandalized with "go home [slur]": http://www.weau.com...

Within just the past week, a transgender veteran's truck (which had gay and trans pride stickers on it) was burned, and "Trump" was painted on the hood: http://www.tennessean.com...

Not to mention that hate crimes against the LGBT rose 147% from July-September 2015 compared to 2016 in Britain (note, I don't necessarily agree with them tying it to the result of Brexit itself, but the data is sound): https://www.theguardian.com...

And THAT'S still not even mentioning the many Twitter testimonials of racial incidents that people have provided in the past 24 hours. I'm not going to link that, because I suspect that if I did, people would just say "herp derp they're all liars everything is all great and no one is racist", but dang, there's an astonishing amount of them, ranging from an African-American high schooler who was told to sit at the back of the bus to you name it.

All this is to say one thing: At some point, if this trend continues, this is going to start boiling over, and BLM protests are going to look mild in comparison to what follows; the peaceful protests anti-Trump people are engaging in now could get bigger, and more severe.

To the leftists: We need to start addressing this issue. I don't know how right now, but we need to address it. This is disgusting, and no one deserves to be the subject of racist attacks of any sort.
To the rightists: You need to start addressing this issue, too. I'm not accusing any of you of personally engaging in actions like those described above; I'm saying it's in your electoral interest, the interest of those affected, and the interests of the country to do something about this.
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11/10/2016 7:34:57 AM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
Also, before I get this other inevitable response, this is not meant to be a post that blames Trump supporters for racism; I'm interested only in exposing a serious issue that is likely going to be more and more significant as time goes by, unfortunately, and in seeking the proposed solutions of others for this problem.
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11/10/2016 7:58:40 AM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
At 11/10/2016 7:34:57 AM, SolonKR wrote:
Also, before I get this other inevitable response, this is not meant to be a post that blames Trump supporters for racism; I'm interested only in exposing a serious issue that is likely going to be more and more significant as time goes by, unfortunately, and in seeking the proposed solutions of others for this problem.

Hopefully things over there will settle down in a bit
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11/10/2016 12:03:53 PM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
At 11/10/2016 7:25:40 AM, SolonKR wrote:
I don't mean to imply that Donald Trump is racist with this post; that would be counterproductive, especially at this point. What I do mean to imply is that racism in America (and the UK) is a problem that exists, and it's getting worse. Just take a look at all the incidents of just the past day.

High school vandal writes "#whitesonly, #whitesamerica", and something obscene that has been censored by the reporting outlet: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com...

A Muslim student at San Diego State University had her belongings stolen, with the attackers reportedly making comments about Muslims and Trump: http://www.kpbs.org...

Some minority students had their home vandalized with "go home [slur]": http://www.weau.com...

Within just the past week, a transgender veteran's truck (which had gay and trans pride stickers on it) was burned, and "Trump" was painted on the hood: http://www.tennessean.com...

Not to mention that hate crimes against the LGBT rose 147% from July-September 2015 compared to 2016 in Britain (note, I don't necessarily agree with them tying it to the result of Brexit itself, but the data is sound): https://www.theguardian.com...

And THAT'S still not even mentioning the many Twitter testimonials of racial incidents that people have provided in the past 24 hours. I'm not going to link that, because I suspect that if I did, people would just say "herp derp they're all liars everything is all great and no one is racist", but dang, there's an astonishing amount of them, ranging from an African-American high schooler who was told to sit at the back of the bus to you name it.


All this is to say one thing: At some point, if this trend continues, this is going to start boiling over, and BLM protests are going to look mild in comparison to what follows; the peaceful protests anti-Trump people are engaging in now could get bigger, and more severe.

To the leftists: We need to start addressing this issue. I don't know how right now, but we need to address it. This is disgusting, and no one deserves to be the subject of racist attacks of any sort.
To the rightists: You need to start addressing this issue, too. I'm not accusing any of you of personally engaging in actions like those described above; I'm saying it's in your electoral interest, the interest of those affected, and the interests of the country to do something about this.

Isn't this to be expected? No, Trump is not implicitly racist, but gosh darned if a lot of his rhetoric wasn't centered on things to -easily- form a bias against.

Mexicans, Muslims, to a lesser degree, the black vote, women...

Lets be honest. His being put into power based on such rhetoric (empty or not) is pretty much validation for holding such biases/racism/sexism.

Even though the minority voted him in.

Hm.
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11/10/2016 2:18:30 PM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
At 11/10/2016 7:34:57 AM, SolonKR wrote:
Also, before I get this other inevitable response, this is not meant to be a post that blames Trump supporters for racism; I'm interested only in exposing a serious issue that is likely going to be more and more significant as time goes by, unfortunately, and in seeking the proposed solutions of others for this problem.

well that's not true, if you where really interested in exposing the issue you wouldn't have cherry picked the incidents of where people wrote or said Trump. Regardless, did things like this not happen before Trump? If they did seems like one thing has little to do with the other. The solution like always is dealing with the individuals who commit the crimes, pretty simple really.
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11/11/2016 7:55:16 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/10/2016 2:18:30 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 11/10/2016 7:34:57 AM, SolonKR wrote:
Also, before I get this other inevitable response, this is not meant to be a post that blames Trump supporters for racism; I'm interested only in exposing a serious issue that is likely going to be more and more significant as time goes by, unfortunately, and in seeking the proposed solutions of others for this problem.

well that's not true, if you where really interested in exposing the issue you wouldn't have cherry picked the incidents of where people wrote or said Trump. Regardless, did things like this not happen before Trump? If they did seems like one thing has little to do with the other. The solution like always is dealing with the individuals who commit the crimes, pretty simple really.

I literally just looked up "hate crimes" and "racism" on Google News and chose all the articles that seemed to come from reasonably credible primary sources. If you're connecting it to Trump, that's your problem. The point isn't that racist incidents never happened before; it's that they've happened more often lately, and there's a chance they will continue to happen more often. The question isn't how we stop individual offenders--the question is how we stop the possible trend.
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11/11/2016 8:05:29 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 7:55:16 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 11/10/2016 2:18:30 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 11/10/2016 7:34:57 AM, SolonKR wrote:
Also, before I get this other inevitable response, this is not meant to be a post that blames Trump supporters for racism; I'm interested only in exposing a serious issue that is likely going to be more and more significant as time goes by, unfortunately, and in seeking the proposed solutions of others for this problem.

well that's not true, if you where really interested in exposing the issue you wouldn't have cherry picked the incidents of where people wrote or said Trump. Regardless, did things like this not happen before Trump? If they did seems like one thing has little to do with the other. The solution like always is dealing with the individuals who commit the crimes, pretty simple really.

I literally just looked up "hate crimes" and "racism" on Google News and chose all the articles that seemed to come from reasonably credible primary sources. If you're connecting it to Trump, that's your problem. The point isn't that racist incidents never happened before; it's that they've happened more often lately, and there's a chance they will continue to happen more often. The question isn't how we stop individual offenders--the question is how we stop the possible trend.

again so if there's 1 more than average then yes the rate is up. so you looked it up and just trusted google without actually doing to work to make sure it's accurate etc? sorry can't take that seriously. Again most of your links mentioned Trump even though it was suppose to be about the US AND UK????? So somehow Trump's influence has reached the UK?

People treating other people badly is wrong, you are correct, but I think we all knew that.
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11/11/2016 8:19:26 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/10/2016 7:25:40 AM, SolonKR wrote:
I don't mean to imply that Donald Trump is racist with this post; that would be counterproductive, especially at this point. What I do mean to imply is that racism in America (and the UK) is a problem that exists, and it's getting worse. Just take a look at all the incidents of just the past day.

High school vandal writes "#whitesonly, #whitesamerica", and something obscene that has been censored by the reporting outlet: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com...

A Muslim student at San Diego State University had her belongings stolen, with the attackers reportedly making comments about Muslims and Trump: http://www.kpbs.org...

Some minority students had their home vandalized with "go home [slur]": http://www.weau.com...

Within just the past week, a transgender veteran's truck (which had gay and trans pride stickers on it) was burned, and "Trump" was painted on the hood: http://www.tennessean.com...

Not to mention that hate crimes against the LGBT rose 147% from July-September 2015 compared to 2016 in Britain (note, I don't necessarily agree with them tying it to the result of Brexit itself, but the data is sound): https://www.theguardian.com...

And THAT'S still not even mentioning the many Twitter testimonials of racial incidents that people have provided in the past 24 hours. I'm not going to link that, because I suspect that if I did, people would just say "herp derp they're all liars everything is all great and no one is racist", but dang, there's an astonishing amount of them, ranging from an African-American high schooler who was told to sit at the back of the bus to you name it.


All this is to say one thing: At some point, if this trend continues, this is going to start boiling over, and BLM protests are going to look mild in comparison to what follows; the peaceful protests anti-Trump people are engaging in now could get bigger, and more severe.

Peaceful protests? Have you been watching the same "riots" I have been lately?

To the leftists: We need to start addressing this issue. I don't know how right now, but we need to address it. This is disgusting, and no one deserves to be the subject of racist attacks of any sort.
To the rightists: You need to start addressing this issue, too. I'm not accusing any of you of personally engaging in actions like those described above; I'm saying it's in your electoral interest, the interest of those affected, and the interests of the country to do something about this.

I <3 you solon, but why highlight just these issues when there are *violent* protests occurring as we speak by Hillary supporters. Should I even bother posting the numerous YouTube clips coming out right now of BLM rioters yelling "kill the white people" while setting cars on fire and literally jumping any white person they see?

My point isn't to diminish the weight of your own highlighted incidents, but rather to call attention to the fact that the same thing, if not worse, is currently being conducted by Hillary supporters. The people that were supposed to be the calm ones are currently acting in the most destructive manner. Even the liberal media can't deny this. Everyone currently participating in these violent anti-trump riots (mostly BLM members and Hillary supporters) are only perpetuating the underlying race issues. So, if anything, we need to highlight both sides of the issue if we are to solve the issue as a whole. Catch my drift homieeeee?

As for finding a solution... a "real" solution... I don't see how we'll ever find one until a massive spiritual and emotional revolution takes place on a national, if not global, scale. We need to literally shift our collective perception about skin colors defining who we are, we need to shed our history of slavery completely - because while knowing our history has value, it also serves as a constant reminder of our inequality. We can say we are equal all we want, but there will always be one person out there who, once they become aware of the history, will hold animosity or hate in their heart for the past crimes committed against their ancestors. As long as even one person holds such sentiments, racism will remain alive. When I travel to countries that didn't enslave Africans, such as Germany, I see no race issues whatsoever. There is no spoken or unspoken "tension" like there is here in America. So, unless we completely eradicate the very notion of them being considered pieces of property at some point in time, there will never be a clear view of real equality, it will rather be forever tarnished.

In essence, the porcelain cup suffered a split down its side, and no matter how hard we try to fix the split in its side, the scar always remains. What we need to do, truly, is just buy a new cup and start anew. We need to move past our past, truly let it go, but that is a very demanding request that takes alot of emotional power and spiritual cleansing. Simply saying we are all equal isn't a solution, it's a lie to ourselves, because we clearly aren't empirically equal. But if we shift the way we view equality, if we shift the way we find value in ourselves, from the external to solely the internal, then and only then will racism ever truly be solvable.

So, can we change the ways we find value in one another? Can we ever overcome the natural instincts to evaluate people based on both the exterior and interior? Idk... it'll take nothing short of an emotional and spiritual revolution.
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11/11/2016 9:11:20 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 8:05:29 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
again so if there's 1 more than average then yes the rate is up. so you looked it up and just trusted google without actually doing to work to make sure it's accurate etc? sorry can't take that seriously. Again most of your links mentioned Trump even though it was suppose to be about the US AND UK????? So somehow Trump's influence has reached the UK?

People treating other people badly is wrong, you are correct, but I think we all knew that.

Your train of thought has broken down at the station. I can't show statistical analyses right now for the US because those take time to come out. All I can do is project that they are up.
I wasn't saying Trump's influence caused anything; if you actually read my posts, you would know that. With regards to the UK, the stats I showed were before Trump won, so don't even try that straw man. THAT was meant to be the article that shows an upward trend (at least in the UK) in racist incidents.
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11/11/2016 9:21:36 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/10/2016 7:25:40 AM, SolonKR wrote:
I don't mean to imply that Donald Trump is racist with this post; that would be counterproductive, especially at this point. What I do mean to imply is that racism in America (and the UK) is a problem that exists, and it's getting worse. Just take a look at all the incidents of just the past day.

High school vandal writes "#whitesonly, #whitesamerica", and something obscene that has been censored by the reporting outlet: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com...

A Muslim student at San Diego State University had her belongings stolen, with the attackers reportedly making comments about Muslims and Trump: http://www.kpbs.org...

Some minority students had their home vandalized with "go home [slur]": http://www.weau.com...

Within just the past week, a transgender veteran's truck (which had gay and trans pride stickers on it) was burned, and "Trump" was painted on the hood: http://www.tennessean.com...

Not to mention that hate crimes against the LGBT rose 147% from July-September 2015 compared to 2016 in Britain (note, I don't necessarily agree with them tying it to the result of Brexit itself, but the data is sound): https://www.theguardian.com...

And THAT'S still not even mentioning the many Twitter testimonials of racial incidents that people have provided in the past 24 hours. I'm not going to link that, because I suspect that if I did, people would just say "herp derp they're all liars everything is all great and no one is racist", but dang, there's an astonishing amount of them, ranging from an African-American high schooler who was told to sit at the back of the bus to you name it.


All this is to say one thing: At some point, if this trend continues, this is going to start boiling over, and BLM protests are going to look mild in comparison to what follows; the peaceful protests anti-Trump people are engaging in now could get bigger, and more severe.

To the leftists: We need to start addressing this issue. I don't know how right now, but we need to address it. This is disgusting, and no one deserves to be the subject of racist attacks of any sort.
To the rightists: You need to start addressing this issue, too. I'm not accusing any of you of personally engaging in actions like those described above; I'm saying it's in your electoral interest, the interest of those affected, and the interests of the country to do something about this.

This isn't only limited to the far-right Trump supporters, but also the far-left anti-Trump crowd going on violent riots.
This is very unfortunate of course, but most likely this backlash is just a temporary reaction to Trump's win. Eventually, things are ought to calm down.
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11/11/2016 9:23:36 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 8:19:26 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Peaceful protests? Have you been watching the same "riots" I have been lately?

I wasn't saying BLM's riots were ever peaceful (although there are groups under BLM that do protest peacefully; it's an umbrella group, after all); I apologize if my words were unclear.

At the time of writing, the most I ever saw happening at the protests against Trump was an attempted blockade of a highway that resulted in one of the protesters being hit by a car. That's obviously not good, but as far as protests go, that's relatively tame.

I <3 you solon, but why highlight just these issues when there are *violent* protests occurring as we speak by Hillary supporters. Should I even bother posting the numerous YouTube clips coming out right now of BLM rioters yelling "kill the white people" while setting cars on fire and literally jumping any white person they see?

I'm aware that's happened in the past, but I looked on YouTube and the rest of the web for this happening right now and I can't find it. I don't immediately believe it to be false, and if it's true, it deserves just as much attention, but may I have a link?

In essence, the porcelain cup suffered a split down its side, and no matter how hard we try to fix the split in its side, the scar always remains. What we need to do, truly, is just buy a new cup and start anew. We need to move past our past, truly let it go, but that is a very demanding request that takes alot of emotional power and spiritual cleansing. Simply saying we are all equal isn't a solution, it's a lie to ourselves, because we clearly aren't empirically equal. But if we shift the way we view equality, if we shift the way we find value in ourselves, from the external to solely the internal, then and only then will racism ever truly be solvable.

So, can we change the ways we find value in one another? Can we ever overcome the natural instincts to evaluate people based on both the exterior and interior? Idk... it'll take nothing short of an emotional and spiritual revolution.

How exactly would this emotional and spiritual revolution come about and what would it entail? My dad shared a video of Billy Graham saying the exact same thing, essentially (although in a much more religious context), but that's a cerebral idea, and the only way to achieve it is to discern a practical conception of it.
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11/11/2016 9:29:03 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
I guess my prediction that they'd get worse was unfortunately immediately prescient -_-
I found it http://www.usatoday.com...

What do we do?
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11/12/2016 2:46:46 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 9:29:03 PM, SolonKR wrote:
I guess my prediction that they'd get worse was unfortunately immediately prescient -_-
I found it http://www.usatoday.com...


What do we do?

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11/12/2016 4:15:43 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/10/2016 7:25:40 AM, SolonKR wrote:
I don't mean to imply that Donald Trump is racist with this post; that would be counterproductive, especially at this point. What I do mean to imply is that racism in America (and the UK) is a problem that exists, and it's getting worse. Just take a look at all the incidents of just the past day.

High school vandal writes "#whitesonly, #whitesamerica", and something obscene that has been censored by the reporting outlet: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com...

A Muslim student at San Diego State University had her belongings stolen, with the attackers reportedly making comments about Muslims and Trump: http://www.kpbs.org...

Some minority students had their home vandalized with "go home [slur]": http://www.weau.com...

Within just the past week, a transgender veteran's truck (which had gay and trans pride stickers on it) was burned, and "Trump" was painted on the hood: http://www.tennessean.com...

Not to mention that hate crimes against the LGBT rose 147% from July-September 2015 compared to 2016 in Britain (note, I don't necessarily agree with them tying it to the result of Brexit itself, but the data is sound): https://www.theguardian.com...

And THAT'S still not even mentioning the many Twitter testimonials of racial incidents that people have provided in the past 24 hours. I'm not going to link that, because I suspect that if I did, people would just say "herp derp they're all liars everything is all great and no one is racist", but dang, there's an astonishing amount of them, ranging from an African-American high schooler who was told to sit at the back of the bus to you name it.


All this is to say one thing: At some point, if this trend continues, this is going to start boiling over, and BLM protests are going to look mild in comparison to what follows; the peaceful protests anti-Trump people are engaging in now could get bigger, and more severe.

To the leftists: We need to start addressing this issue. I don't know how right now, but we need to address it. This is disgusting, and no one deserves to be the subject of racist attacks of any sort.
To the rightists: You need to start addressing this issue, too. I'm not accusing any of you of personally engaging in actions like those described above; I'm saying it's in your electoral interest, the interest of those affected, and the interests of the country to do something about this.

Okay, the U.S. experiencing this is one thing, but why the UK?
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11/12/2016 6:23:23 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 9:23:36 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 11/11/2016 8:19:26 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Peaceful protests? Have you been watching the same "riots" I have been lately?

I wasn't saying BLM's riots were ever peaceful (although there are groups under BLM that do protest peacefully; it's an umbrella group, after all); I apologize if my words were unclear.

At the time of writing, the most I ever saw happening at the protests against Trump was an attempted blockade of a highway that resulted in one of the protesters being hit by a car. That's obviously not good, but as far as protests go, that's relatively tame.

I'm aware that's happened in the past, but I looked on YouTube and the rest of the web for this happening right now and I can't find it. I don't immediately believe it to be false, and if it's true, it deserves just as much attention, but may I have a link?

Fair enough, here's what I've seen thus far:

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com... (skip to 2:38, listen to what the woman says)

https://www.youtube.com...

https://www.youtube.com...

One thing is clear - these are certainly not "peaceful" protests. We have Hillary supporters calling for the death of Trump supporters, anti-trump protesters and hoodlums assaulting Trump supporters, smashing property, and leaving nothing but fire and destruction in their wake.

In essence, the porcelain cup suffered a split down its side, and no matter how hard we try to fix the split in its side, the scar always remains. What we need to do, truly, is just buy a new cup and start anew. We need to move past our past, truly let it go, but that is a very demanding request that takes alot of emotional power and spiritual cleansing. Simply saying we are all equal isn't a solution, it's a lie to ourselves, because we clearly aren't empirically equal. But if we shift the way we view equality, if we shift the way we find value in ourselves, from the external to solely the internal, then and only then will racism ever truly be solvable.

So, can we change the ways we find value in one another? Can we ever overcome the natural instincts to evaluate people based on both the exterior and interior? Idk... it'll take nothing short of an emotional and spiritual revolution.

How exactly would this emotional and spiritual revolution come about and what would it entail? My dad shared a video of Billy Graham saying the exact same thing, essentially (although in a much more religious context), but that's a cerebral idea, and the only way to achieve it is to discern a practical conception of it.

It'd entail what I said - a complete shift in our collective perceptions of that which is valuable in our fellow humans. We'd have to shift our value judgements solely to interior qualities, rather than external ones. As to how it'd come about, that's the hard part, because our system of deriving value in certain things can stem from soooo many influencers, influences, and experiences throughout life. When you really think about it, we are so unique in our own subjective life experiences that shaped us, which makes it seemingly impossible to find a catalyst that would prompt such a change, objectively, in every American.

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We can *see* the solution, but bringing it about is a whole other ordeal and I'm honestly not sure how to accomplish that at this current time. The divide is so deep and so ingrained in our national history... it's actually frustrating thinking about how impossible it'd be to manifest a solution for this issue -_-
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11/12/2016 2:03:30 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 9:29:03 PM, SolonKR wrote:
I guess my prediction that they'd get worse was unfortunately immediately prescient -_-
I found it http://www.usatoday.com...


What do we do?

I was a "victim" of racism (feminism too, but that's another topic) yesterday. It made me dissapointed, and a little angry, but I managed my emotion, manned up, recognized the person was venting their inevitable disapointment in the America and proceeded to go into a short and respectful truth based speech on how It's not Trump vs Hillary supporters or white and black. It's just a hand full of stupid people with different views and our failure to recognize that is deviding and weakening us, surpassing values as is the nature of anger.

When we choose a side we blindly defend it despite. It becomes win/lose instead of right and wrong. Just respect thy neighbor and don't lump them in with the common enemy until they've proven to be one. Most people want the same thing.

It should be America vs stupid people. If some one is blocking a major highway, someone could seriously get hurt. That's stupid. If someone is breaking things or lighting them on fire, that's stupid. If someone tells you to go to hell because of who you voted for, that's stupid. If someone is gloating about the election because you are a certain race, that's idiotic and stupid. If someone said they personally want you deported, and they don't know you, that's stupid. These are real things going on, not imaginary sides reinforced by documented liars. These are what we as Americans can be universally up against, and they are not to be overlooked, because you were petty and arguing whether one population is 'better' then the other instead of addressing the stupid. That's stupid.

Anyway it worked for me. Because once you get past your anger and start using your values again, things just make more sense. Once you eliminate what side you are on and replace it with American, you revert back to what Americans should exemplify, a diverse people for the common good, against the common enemy, stupidity. And no, voting for Trump or Hillary doesn't make you stupid because no one knows why yih voted fir them. Being black or white or brown doesn't make you stupid because it doesn't affect who you are. So stop cheering and condesending on people you don't understand like a nincomepoop.

We have a new president. I don't like him and I didn't want him but it's a job and if you jump down some ones throat before their first day of work that's stupid. If you dont think they dhould have the job they obviosly earned, because you can't get over what they said before they were hired, thats stupid, petty, unproductive and unproffessional. didn't vote for him but the election is over now. He is our president, and I'm gonna back him up until I have a reason not too. He has a chance to unify the country if we just let him. I'm going to wait a month and see how his plans solidify, and I'm going to write my yearly letter to congress, not in fear saying all his ideas are bad, but in thought out response in how I want forseen change to (un)affect me. That's not stupid.
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11/13/2016 4:11:56 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/10/2016 7:25:40 AM, SolonKR wrote:
I don't mean to imply that Donald Trump is racist with this post; that would be counterproductive, especially at this point. What I do mean to imply is that racism in America (and the UK) is a problem that exists, and it's getting worse. Just take a look at all the incidents of just the past day.

High school vandal writes "#whitesonly, #whitesamerica", and something obscene that has been censored by the reporting outlet: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com...

A Muslim student at San Diego State University had her belongings stolen, with the attackers reportedly making comments about Muslims and Trump: http://www.kpbs.org...

Some minority students had their home vandalized with "go home [slur]": http://www.weau.com...

Within just the past week, a transgender veteran's truck (which had gay and trans pride stickers on it) was burned, and "Trump" was painted on the hood: http://www.tennessean.com...

Not to mention that hate crimes against the LGBT rose 147% from July-September 2015 compared to 2016 in Britain (note, I don't necessarily agree with them tying it to the result of Brexit itself, but the data is sound): https://www.theguardian.com...

And THAT'S still not even mentioning the many Twitter testimonials of racial incidents that people have provided in the past 24 hours. I'm not going to link that, because I suspect that if I did, people would just say "herp derp they're all liars everything is all great and no one is racist", but dang, there's an astonishing amount of them, ranging from an African-American high schooler who was told to sit at the back of the bus to you name it.


All this is to say one thing: At some point, if this trend continues, this is going to start boiling over, and BLM protests are going to look mild in comparison to what follows; the peaceful protests anti-Trump people are engaging in now could get bigger, and more severe.

To the leftists: We need to start addressing this issue. I don't know how right now, but we need to address it. This is disgusting, and no one deserves to be the subject of racist attacks of any sort.
To the rightists: You need to start addressing this issue, too. I'm not accusing any of you of personally engaging in actions like those described above; I'm saying it's in your electoral interest, the interest of those affected, and the interests of the country to do something about this.

The high-school my aunt teaches at had anti black slurs and Trump white power written all over the bathroom.

It is not unexpected. Those in the IN group this case Trump supporters are going to feel a little more emboldened because they suddenly feel they are part of a validate group and have support with their beliefs.

If the Republicans and Trump were smart they would recognize this trend and swiftly denounce it. It, however, will be rationalized as a small element with in the party while making every liberal out as a rioter in the streets. That is how propaganda works.
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11/14/2016 1:43:35 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 4:11:56 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 11/10/2016 7:25:40 AM, SolonKR wrote:
I don't mean to imply that Donald Trump is racist with this post; that would be counterproductive, especially at this point. What I do mean to imply is that racism in America (and the UK) is a problem that exists, and it's getting worse. Just take a look at all the incidents of just the past day.

High school vandal writes "#whitesonly, #whitesamerica", and something obscene that has been censored by the reporting outlet: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com...

A Muslim student at San Diego State University had her belongings stolen, with the attackers reportedly making comments about Muslims and Trump: http://www.kpbs.org...

Some minority students had their home vandalized with "go home [slur]": http://www.weau.com...

Within just the past week, a transgender veteran's truck (which had gay and trans pride stickers on it) was burned, and "Trump" was painted on the hood: http://www.tennessean.com...

Not to mention that hate crimes against the LGBT rose 147% from July-September 2015 compared to 2016 in Britain (note, I don't necessarily agree with them tying it to the result of Brexit itself, but the data is sound): https://www.theguardian.com...

And THAT'S still not even mentioning the many Twitter testimonials of racial incidents that people have provided in the past 24 hours. I'm not going to link that, because I suspect that if I did, people would just say "herp derp they're all liars everything is all great and no one is racist", but dang, there's an astonishing amount of them, ranging from an African-American high schooler who was told to sit at the back of the bus to you name it.


All this is to say one thing: At some point, if this trend continues, this is going to start boiling over, and BLM protests are going to look mild in comparison to what follows; the peaceful protests anti-Trump people are engaging in now could get bigger, and more severe.

To the leftists: We need to start addressing this issue. I don't know how right now, but we need to address it. This is disgusting, and no one deserves to be the subject of racist attacks of any sort.
To the rightists: You need to start addressing this issue, too. I'm not accusing any of you of personally engaging in actions like those described above; I'm saying it's in your electoral interest, the interest of those affected, and the interests of the country to do something about this.

The high-school my aunt teaches at had anti black slurs and Trump white power written all over the bathroom.

It is not unexpected. Those in the IN group this case Trump supporters are going to feel a little more emboldened because they suddenly feel they are part of a validate group and have support with their beliefs.

If the Republicans and Trump were smart they would recognize this trend and swiftly denounce it. It, however, will be rationalized as a small element with in the party while making every liberal out as a rioter in the streets. That is how propaganda works.

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11/14/2016 2:36:11 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/13/2016 4:11:56 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 11/10/2016 7:25:40 AM, SolonKR wrote:
I don't mean to imply that Donald Trump is racist with this post; that would be counterproductive, especially at this point. What I do mean to imply is that racism in America (and the UK) is a problem that exists, and it's getting worse. Just take a look at all the incidents of just the past day.

High school vandal writes "#whitesonly, #whitesamerica", and something obscene that has been censored by the reporting outlet: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com...

A Muslim student at San Diego State University had her belongings stolen, with the attackers reportedly making comments about Muslims and Trump: http://www.kpbs.org...

Some minority students had their home vandalized with "go home [slur]": http://www.weau.com...

Within just the past week, a transgender veteran's truck (which had gay and trans pride stickers on it) was burned, and "Trump" was painted on the hood: http://www.tennessean.com...

Not to mention that hate crimes against the LGBT rose 147% from July-September 2015 compared to 2016 in Britain (note, I don't necessarily agree with them tying it to the result of Brexit itself, but the data is sound): https://www.theguardian.com...

And THAT'S still not even mentioning the many Twitter testimonials of racial incidents that people have provided in the past 24 hours. I'm not going to link that, because I suspect that if I did, people would just say "herp derp they're all liars everything is all great and no one is racist", but dang, there's an astonishing amount of them, ranging from an African-American high schooler who was told to sit at the back of the bus to you name it.


All this is to say one thing: At some point, if this trend continues, this is going to start boiling over, and BLM protests are going to look mild in comparison to what follows; the peaceful protests anti-Trump people are engaging in now could get bigger, and more severe.

To the leftists: We need to start addressing this issue. I don't know how right now, but we need to address it. This is disgusting, and no one deserves to be the subject of racist attacks of any sort.
To the rightists: You need to start addressing this issue, too. I'm not accusing any of you of personally engaging in actions like those described above; I'm saying it's in your electoral interest, the interest of those affected, and the interests of the country to do something about this.

The high-school my aunt teaches at had anti black slurs and Trump white power written all over the bathroom.

It is not unexpected. Those in the IN group this case Trump supporters are going to feel a little more emboldened because they suddenly feel they are part of a validate group and have support with their beliefs.

If the Republicans and Trump were smart they would recognize this trend and swiftly denounce it. It, however, will be rationalized as a small element with in the party while making every liberal out as a rioter in the streets. That is how propaganda works.

"Trump said he had not heard about reports of racial slurs and personal threats of African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims, and the LGBT community by some of his supporters.

"I am very surprised to hear that," he said. "I hate to hear that, I mean I hate to hear that."

Trump later said he saw "one or two instances" of such actions. He said it was not acceptable.

"I am so saddened to hear that. And I say, "Stop it," if it helps," Trump said. "I will say this, and I will say right to the cameras " stop it!""
http://newyork.cbslocal.com...

and this was followed by Hillary and Obama saying........................................................
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11/17/2016 9:44:28 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
I've been made aware of actual data. In 2015, hate crimes rose 6% in the US (there was a 67% increase in hate crimes against Muslims). According to the SPLC (not the best data source, admittedly, but certainly not bad), there have been over 400 incidents of harassment/intimidation reported just since election day. That's astonishing.

Source: The first ~1:30 (PBS NewsHour) (though of course feel free to watch the rest of it): https://www.youtube.com...

I don't really buy that there's nothing we can do. I mean, practically speaking, just individuals making an effort to stand up against it, to document offenders, and to engage in honest and civil and open dialogue with people most likely to offend would all be steps. They wouldn't eradicate the problem, but they'd be steps.
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11/18/2016 1:37:27 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 9:11:20 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 11/11/2016 8:05:29 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
again so if there's 1 more than average then yes the rate is up. so you looked it up and just trusted google without actually doing to work to make sure it's accurate etc? sorry can't take that seriously. Again most of your links mentioned Trump even though it was suppose to be about the US AND UK????? So somehow Trump's influence has reached the UK?

People treating other people badly is wrong, you are correct, but I think we all knew that.

Your train of thought has broken down at the station. I can't show statistical analyses right now for the US because those take time to come out. All I can do is project that they are up.

So the title and premiss of this thread is based on thin air and not, you know, actual rates?
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11/18/2016 4:53:27 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/18/2016 1:37:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
So the title and premiss of this thread is based on thin air and not, you know, actual rates?

It was based on some projection initially, sure, but not thin air. There was an abnormal volume of hate crimes reported after the election, and I picked up on that and looked at the data I could find on Great Britain (which is similar to the US); based on that, I projected (correctly) that they were up.

In any case, this is a moot point. If you read the rest of the thread, you'd know that the data does back this up. Hate crimes rose 7% in 2015 in the US, and there have been over 400 incidents of harassment/intimidation since election day.
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11/19/2016 2:25:25 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/10/2016 7:25:40 AM, SolonKR wrote:
I don't mean to imply that Donald Trump is racist with this post; that would be counterproductive, especially at this point. What I do mean to imply is that racism in America (and the UK) is a problem that exists, and it's getting worse. Just take a look at all the incidents of just the past day.

High school vandal writes "#whitesonly, #whitesamerica", and something obscene that has been censored by the reporting outlet: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com...

A Muslim student at San Diego State University had her belongings stolen, with the attackers reportedly making comments about Muslims and Trump: http://www.kpbs.org...

Some minority students had their home vandalized with "go home [slur]": http://www.weau.com...

Within just the past week, a transgender veteran's truck (which had gay and trans pride stickers on it) was burned, and "Trump" was painted on the hood: http://www.tennessean.com...

Not to mention that hate crimes against the LGBT rose 147% from July-September 2015 compared to 2016 in Britain (note, I don't necessarily agree with them tying it to the result of Brexit itself, but the data is sound): https://www.theguardian.com...

And THAT'S still not even mentioning the many Twitter testimonials of racial incidents that people have provided in the past 24 hours. I'm not going to link that, because I suspect that if I did, people would just say "herp derp they're all liars everything is all great and no one is racist", but dang, there's an astonishing amount of them, ranging from an African-American high schooler who was told to sit at the back of the bus to you name it.


All this is to say one thing: At some point, if this trend continues, this is going to start boiling over, and BLM protests are going to look mild in comparison to what follows; the peaceful protests anti-Trump people are engaging in now could get bigger, and more severe.

To the leftists: We need to start addressing this issue. I don't know how right now, but we need to address it. This is disgusting, and no one deserves to be the subject of racist attacks of any sort.
To the rightists: You need to start addressing this issue, too. I'm not accusing any of you of personally engaging in actions like those described above; I'm saying it's in your electoral interest, the interest of those affected, and the interests of the country to do something about this.

Address the elephant in the room, trump speaks or the "silent majority" that is, the people that feel what trump feels and they are coming out because they feel empowered. Trump already has someone in his party that was associated with a White Nationalist movement so it will get worse before it gets better.