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Why the success all of a sudden?

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1/21/2011 9:56:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Terrorists plots are being foiled again and again in places like the US, UK, Pakistan, Germany, etc. In the US alone, 30 subversive plots have been disrupted. In fact, the only successful terrorist attack in the US last year was an attack on a mosque in Jacksonville, FL, which has all the markings of some good 'ole boy retaliating against Muslims.

The last considerable terrorist attack in the US was caused by Major Hasan, a Muslim US soldier, who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers. Not to minimize or diminish those who have died, but these attacks are small potatoes if you consider the magnitude of the plots that were disrupted.

So why such success now? What accounts for the success?

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1/21/2011 10:08:05 AM
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At 1/21/2011 9:56:34 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Terrorists plots are being foiled again and again in places like the US, UK, Pakistan, Germany, etc. In the US alone, 30 subversive plots have been disrupted. In fact, the only successful terrorist attack in the US last year was an attack on a mosque in Jacksonville, FL, which has all the markings of some good 'ole boy retaliating against Muslims.

The last considerable terrorist attack in the US was caused by Major Hasan, a Muslim US soldier, who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers. Not to minimize or diminish those who have died, but these attacks are small potatoes if you consider the magnitude of the plots that were disrupted.

So why such success now? What accounts for the success?

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Depends what terrorism are we fighting against? Is it something that we are programmed to be xenophobic against, or is it like the said mosque incident of terrorism (terrorism by good ol' US citizens just doing the "right" thing..[but not the correct thing])
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1/21/2011 10:54:15 AM
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At 1/21/2011 9:56:34 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Terrorists plots are being foiled again and again in places like the US, UK, Pakistan, Germany, etc. In the US alone, 30 subversive plots have been disrupted. In fact, the only successful terrorist attack in the US last year was an attack on a mosque in Jacksonville, FL, which has all the markings of some good 'ole boy retaliating against Muslims.

The last considerable terrorist attack in the US was caused by Major Hasan, a Muslim US soldier, who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers. Not to minimize or diminish those who have died, but these attacks are small potatoes if you consider the magnitude of the plots that were disrupted.

So why such success now? What accounts for the success?

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Just a guess. Terrorists (which include home grown) have become more populous and desperate, and so there are more of them are going to get caught simply because there are more of them (fishing in a lake with more fish is going to be better) and the fact that the are more desperate means that they'll make more mistakes, and be caught easier.
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1/21/2011 11:10:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/21/2011 10:54:15 AM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/21/2011 9:56:34 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Terrorists plots are being foiled again and again in places like the US, UK, Pakistan, Germany, etc. In the US alone, 30 subversive plots have been disrupted. In fact, the only successful terrorist attack in the US last year was an attack on a mosque in Jacksonville, FL, which has all the markings of some good 'ole boy retaliating against Muslims.

The last considerable terrorist attack in the US was caused by Major Hasan, a Muslim US soldier, who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers. Not to minimize or diminish those who have died, but these attacks are small potatoes if you consider the magnitude of the plots that were disrupted.

So why such success now? What accounts for the success?

http://s3.amazonaws.com...

Just a guess. Terrorists (which include home grown) have become more populous and desperate, and so there are more of them are going to get caught simply because there are more of them (fishing in a lake with more fish is going to be better) and the fact that the are more desperate means that they'll make more mistakes, and be caught easier.

Or maybe we're just getting better at it. Maybe we have more infiltration and more captive terrorists spilling their guts, so to speak. Our intelligence is probably far better at knowing what's going on where than they were 7 years ago.
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1/21/2011 11:22:16 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/21/2011 11:10:53 AM, innomen wrote:
At 1/21/2011 10:54:15 AM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/21/2011 9:56:34 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Terrorists plots are being foiled again and again in places like the US, UK, Pakistan, Germany, etc. In the US alone, 30 subversive plots have been disrupted. In fact, the only successful terrorist attack in the US last year was an attack on a mosque in Jacksonville, FL, which has all the markings of some good 'ole boy retaliating against Muslims.

The last considerable terrorist attack in the US was caused by Major Hasan, a Muslim US soldier, who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers. Not to minimize or diminish those who have died, but these attacks are small potatoes if you consider the magnitude of the plots that were disrupted.

So why such success now? What accounts for the success?

http://s3.amazonaws.com...

Just a guess. Terrorists (which include home grown) have become more populous and desperate, and so there are more of them are going to get caught simply because there are more of them (fishing in a lake with more fish is going to be better) and the fact that the are more desperate means that they'll make more mistakes, and be caught easier.

Or maybe we're just getting better at it. Maybe we have more infiltration and more captive terrorists spilling their guts, so to speak. Our intelligence is probably far better at knowing what's going on where than they were 7 years ago.

True, but there is no denying that there are more attempts happening now, and these attempts are not as well thought out as previous attempts.

Like the one up in Spokane this week. Just a backpack placed on a parade route filled with explosives (a pipe bomb with remote detonation and a directional blast). That's not of the same level that was being attempted a decade ago.
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1/21/2011 11:29:34 AM
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Just a guess. Terrorists (which include home grown) have become more populous and desperate, and so there are more of them are going to get caught simply because there are more of them (fishing in a lake with more fish is going to be better) and the fact that the are more desperate means that they'll make more mistakes, and be caught easier.:

That's possible, but I was wondering if someone might bring up the legitimacy (or illegitmacy) of the Patriot Act. Are these attacks foiled on account of any barriers the Patriot Act broke down, or was it because of good, old fashioned intelligence?
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1/21/2011 11:31:04 AM
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Like the one up in Spokane this week. Just a backpack placed on a parade route filled with explosives (a pipe bomb with remote detonation and a directional blast). That's not of the same level that was being attempted a decade ago.:

But is that pipe bomb linked a terrorist organization, or was it caused by some disenchanted @sshole?
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1/21/2011 11:55:35 AM
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At 1/21/2011 11:31:04 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Like the one up in Spokane this week. Just a backpack placed on a parade route filled with explosives (a pipe bomb with remote detonation and a directional blast). That's not of the same level that was being attempted a decade ago.:

But is that pipe bomb linked a terrorist organization, or was it caused by some disenchanted @sshole?

They don't know yet.
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1/21/2011 11:56:31 AM
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At 1/21/2011 11:55:35 AM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/21/2011 11:31:04 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Like the one up in Spokane this week. Just a backpack placed on a parade route filled with explosives (a pipe bomb with remote detonation and a directional blast). That's not of the same level that was being attempted a decade ago.:

But is that pipe bomb linked a terrorist organization, or was it caused by some disenchanted @sshole?

They don't know yet.

They believe that it is home grown terrorists, racially motivated against MLK Jr by the Aryan Brotherhood.
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1/21/2011 12:13:08 PM
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The odds of dying in a terrorist attack so slim they're hardly worth noting.
According to this site which got it's info from the CDC in 2003 you are 12,571 times more likely to die of cancer, I feel like we should move some more resources towards curing cancer than worrying about terrorists.
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1/21/2011 12:13:53 PM
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Heres where I got it.
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1/21/2011 12:19:32 PM
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At 1/21/2011 12:13:08 PM, lewis20 wrote:
The odds of dying in a terrorist attack so slim they're hardly worth noting.
According to this site which got it's info from the CDC in 2003 you are 12,571 times more likely to die of cancer, I feel like we should move some more resources towards curing cancer than worrying about terrorists.

I hate loaded stats like this (the most popular is comparing the odds of dying in a plane crash, vs dying by shark attack). Your chances are based off actions that you take, they are not completely random.

Just a pet peeve.
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1/21/2011 12:26:13 PM
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At 1/21/2011 12:19:32 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/21/2011 12:13:08 PM, lewis20 wrote:
The odds of dying in a terrorist attack so slim they're hardly worth noting.
According to this site which got it's info from the CDC in 2003 you are 12,571 times more likely to die of cancer, I feel like we should move some more resources towards curing cancer than worrying about terrorists.

I hate loaded stats like this (the most popular is comparing the odds of dying in a plane crash, vs dying by shark attack). Your chances are based off actions that you take, they are not completely random.

Just a pet peeve.:

Touche.
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1/21/2011 12:31:45 PM
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Presumably it's because Obama is about to release some bad news.
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1/21/2011 12:35:25 PM
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At 1/21/2011 12:31:45 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Presumably it's because Obama is about to release some bad news.

He's not really black?!
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1/21/2011 12:39:03 PM
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At 1/21/2011 12:19:32 PM, OreEle wrote:
I hate loaded stats like this (the most popular is comparing the odds of dying in a plane crash, vs dying by shark attack). Your chances are based off actions that you take, they are not completely random.

Just a pet peeve.

Everyones chances are based off the actions they take, the statistic is for an average. By that logic you could never use a human statistic to show anything because "your chances are based off actions that you take, not completely random" did you want a personalized risk assessment based on the actions you take and not the chance of an average person?
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1/21/2011 4:30:05 PM
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At 1/21/2011 12:35:25 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/21/2011 12:31:45 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Presumably it's because Obama is about to release some bad news.

He's not really black?!

lol
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