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11/26/2016 6:46:53 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
I definitely lean towards the liberal side but a backlash against liberalism is sweeping Western society and I am not surprised. Below are a couple areas I think they have it wrong. While some of these issues may not be critical, I think they are some examples that are indicative of how far many liberals are pushing ideas that are too out of touch with reality for much of society to accept.

1. Immigration

13% of all American Muslims feel that killing innocent non-Muslim civilians is sometimes, often or rarely justified. 35% of all British Muslims believe that killing someone for leaving Islam is justified.

The argument that not all Muslims are homicidal nuts is erroneous. If you knew that one of the summer camp counselors was a child molester but didn't know which one, would you send you child to that summer camp? While there are many Muslims that are good people, a percentage of them that is too large for comfort would kill you and all your loved ones if they could. As much of Europe is experiencing, if you let large amounts of Muslims into your country, it is inevitable that a percentage of them will want to kill you. Don't people have the right to live in a society where they feel safe?

2. Transgender bathrooms

If a man wants to put a dress on, that doesn't bother me in the least. Regarding liberals' argument for transgender bathrooms - shouldn't the comfort/discomfort of the women give them the right to have a voice without being called bigoted? I don't have much of an opinion about just bathrooms but I think expecting women to feel comfortable with a man dressed as a woman walking into a gym changing room when they are naked is unreasonable. Liberals can call them bigots for not wanting to show their naked bodies to unknown men wearing dresses but that is not going to make many of them feel comfortable with it.

3. Political correctness

PC has been pushed too far. I understand some sensitivities towards people but it has developed into a celebration of weakness. For example, do we really want to teach the future leaders of our world that a safe place to cry should be provided to everyone that experiences a "micro-aggression"?
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12/4/2016 12:57:00 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
It's good to see people waking up... Liberalism is a joke... Ill break down its fail herer on the molecular level.

First to your points... honestly the LGTBQ community is looking for relevance because nobody cares anymore. The democrats are willing to sell them that relevance for votes. This group accounts for less than 1% of the population and frankly doesn't have a clearly defined agenda beyond being fruitcakes... take something normal and make it gay... that's about it. There is no need for a man to use the women's room or vice verse and obviously these people found a way to go to the bathroom before the TB legislation which is DOA.

Muslims are violent extremists by definition of their faith. 15-35% is a joke, it really depends how closely Muslims in a particular country are to adhere to the tenets of their true faith as outlined by Allah the Deceiver (Satan) and the Pedophile Mohammad. Basically, to live a righteous existence under Islam is to kill as many infidels and rape as many goats as possible before you reach your final destination... hell... and really the Qur'an guarantees you'll end up there, plus or minus 72 virgins based on the number of children you molested while you were alive and the direction you faced when you prayed- true Luciferians pray toward the east, toward the eastern star... this gets you bonus points which can be spent to acquire additional virgins and a free rug.

Black Lives Matter... but so does everyone else. The fact is when you have a fairly large portion of a minority population addicted to drugs and government money that is not productive in the least, the result is a lot of crime and low income housing in areas where said people reside. Blacks for the most part do the least amount to better their conditions out of any racial demographic because since the government provides for them they have no incentive to provide for themselves. It is systemic and endemic enslavement of a population by Liberal design to ensure the Democratic party doesn't go the way of the dinosaur which it will now anyways.

Illegal immigrants are here illegally... hence they should not be granted any rights under the U.S. Constitution and need to be treated like the invaders they are. They do not have social security numbers and therefore do not pay any income tax. They bing violence, crime, and drugs into the country and companies exploit their labor to avoid paying employees a living wage. Drug Cartels and Muslim terrorists are two good reasons to secure our southern border with lethal force.

Political Correctness is evil... let all doubt be removed. Its just about outlawing calling a turd a turd when it is in fact a turd with no redeeming qualities and overwhelming stench. PC dictates that we cant say "one nation under God" in the pledge of allegiance but its perfectly OK to strip off all your clothes... write "S L U T" across your chest in magic marker and walk naked down the street or five black man attacking a white man for voting Trump... perfectly OK because political correctness dictates that the man had it coming for being white... no media outlets would cover it. The funny part is the white guy didn't even get hurt that bad. I wish he would have fought back like the "Amberlamps" guy... that crap was hilarious.

Gun ownership is important... it protects freedom from people like Bath-house Barry Sotoreo and Hitlery Cunton... two of the saddest examples of bovine excrement to ever disgrace and dishonor our great nation with nefarious deeds ranging from the rape of staffers,to giving butt-buddies puppet jobs in state legislatures, to conspiring with known terrorists, to putting our nation's security at-risk by not protecting classified communications, to just your everyday acts of high treason like bowing before the president of China or kissing the feet of foreign oil sultans... and both Obama and Clinton both make it a point to stab this country in the back at least once a day.

Anyways, its hard to tell if liberals are die-hard traitors, invaders from foreign lands, or just mentally deficient and in need of re-education... well I guess we got at least four years to get to the bottom of it. The sad part is over 200,000 liberals promised to leave the country if Trump won and only 2,000 have kept their word.
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12/4/2016 1:24:54 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/26/2016 6:46:53 PM, matt8800 wrote:
I definitely lean towards the liberal side but a backlash against liberalism is sweeping Western society and I am not surprised. Below are a couple areas I think they have it wrong. While some of these issues may not be critical, I think they are some examples that are indicative of how far many liberals are pushing ideas that are too out of touch with reality for much of society to accept.

1. Immigration

13% of all American Muslims feel that killing innocent non-Muslim civilians is sometimes, often or rarely justified. 35% of all British Muslims believe that killing someone for leaving Islam is justified.

The argument that not all Muslims are homicidal nuts is erroneous. If you knew that one of the summer camp counselors was a child molester but didn't know which one, would you send you child to that summer camp? While there are many Muslims that are good people, a percentage of them that is too large for comfort would kill you and all your loved ones if they could. As much of Europe is experiencing, if you let large amounts of Muslims into your country, it is inevitable that a percentage of them will want to kill you. Don't people have the right to live in a society where they feel safe?

Non-muslim Americans consistently give higher rates muslims on this question. The same is true for other countries. What, did you really imagine that 0% of non-muslims would endorse views like that - is that why you're using 0% as your baseline?

2. Transgender bathrooms

If a man wants to put a dress on, that doesn't bother me in the least. Regarding liberals' argument for transgender bathrooms - shouldn't the comfort/discomfort of the women give them the right to have a voice without being called bigoted? I don't have much of an opinion about just bathrooms but I think expecting women to feel comfortable with a man dressed as a woman walking into a gym changing room when they are naked is unreasonable. Liberals can call them bigots for not wanting to show their naked bodies to unknown men wearing dresses but that is not going to make many of them feel comfortable with it.

We've gone from a good faith system to a system that sounds like bathrooms are going to be policed, and there's going to be legislation about it. I don't want to be policed going into a bathroom.

3. Political correctness

PC has been pushed too far. I understand some sensitivities towards people but it has developed into a celebration of weakness. For example, do we really want to teach the future leaders of our world that a safe place to cry should be provided to everyone that experiences a "micro-aggression"?

I've never known anyone to put forward an idea like that. It sounds ridiculous, but also like strawmanning.

So I disagree with all your points here, but I agree with the bigger issue which is that liberals can come across as smug and out of touch. That seems true enough. What to do about it though?
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12/4/2016 4:56:56 PM
Posted: 6 days ago
First I would just like to state in the defense of "Liberalism",that it has been hijacked by left wing progressives aka socialist and communist, as originally liberals were once thought to be the champions of economic and personal freedom ,advocating for very limited centralized government power, much like libertarians we've come to know today. Therefore I will call it what it really is, leftist. I propose that true liberals stop allowing socialist and communist leftist to commit rhetorical atrocities in their name.

Unfortunately and honestly I observe that the growing disdain for "liberalism" as we know it today goes deeper than what is mentioned in the OP.

1. Leftist advocates intellectually dishonest rhetoric, ignoring facts and evidence that consistently refute their claims.
-BLM claims, fat acceptance, "hate speech" or "opposing speech" prohibition, third wave feminism claims, white privilege (or as I like to call it thought crime, unconscienced bias), Race/Gender identity politics, gun prohibition, just to name a few.

2. Leftist decrees delusional moral superiority over logic and reality for the implementation of inclusion or multiculturalism, constantly setting things up for failure just because it "feels" like the right thing to do.
-Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL, period. Deportation is the penalty.
-Embracing Wahhabi Islam is a terrible idea.
-Multiculturalism is just another term for "separate but equal" (not to be confused with a multi-ethnic society under a common culture which is what USA is striving to accomplish).

3. Leftists are the epitome of hypocrisy and Orwellian logic; crying for human rights while sympathizing with communist Cuba and Wahhabi Islamism who are currently unapologetic violators of basic human rights, women's rights, and LGBTQ rights. But in the comfort of their western way of life, they loathe the majority white population for atrocities that their ancestors committed in the past, who currently work diligently to make amends for their ancestor's past transgressions.

PLUS the coddling and infantilization of minority groups within a multi ethnic society like USA, while calling the political right racist for wanting actual equality, and calling for the destruction of racial fore-fronted policies, liberals perpetuate the most racist policies of exclusion like affirmative action, and ideals that closely resemble "separate but equal" Jim Crow laws like "Blacks only" safe spaces" at university.

AND, the left constantly marginalizes serious issues with baseless claims of racism, rape, sexual harassment, sexism, and mental health aka micro aggression.

4. Leftist celebrates mediocrity and everybody gets a trophy, even if they didn't earn it.

There is more but that's all I got for now so...
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12/6/2016 2:27:09 AM
Posted: 5 days ago
At 11/26/2016 6:46:53 PM, matt8800 wrote:
I definitely lean towards the liberal side but a backlash against liberalism is sweeping Western society and I am not surprised. Below are a couple areas I think they have it wrong. While some of these issues may not be critical, I think they are some examples that are indicative of how far many liberals are pushing ideas that are too out of touch with reality for much of society to accept.

1. Immigration

13% of all American Muslims feel that killing innocent non-Muslim civilians is sometimes, often or rarely justified. 35% of all British Muslims believe that killing someone for leaving Islam is justified.

The argument that not all Muslims are homicidal nuts is erroneous. If you knew that one of the summer camp counselors was a child molester but didn't know which one, would you send you child to that summer camp? While there are many Muslims that are good people, a percentage of them that is too large for comfort would kill you and all your loved ones if they could. As much of Europe is experiencing, if you let large amounts of Muslims into your country, it is inevitable that a percentage of them will want to kill you. Don't people have the right to live in a society where they feel safe?

2. Transgender bathrooms

If a man wants to put a dress on, that doesn't bother me in the least. Regarding liberals' argument for transgender bathrooms - shouldn't the comfort/discomfort of the women give them the right to have a voice without being called bigoted? I don't have much of an opinion about just bathrooms but I think expecting women to feel comfortable with a man dressed as a woman walking into a gym changing room when they are naked is unreasonable. Liberals can call them bigots for not wanting to show their naked bodies to unknown men wearing dresses but that is not going to make many of them feel comfortable with it.

3. Political correctness

PC has been pushed too far. I understand some sensitivities towards people but it has developed into a celebration of weakness. For example, do we really want to teach the future leaders of our world that a safe place to cry should be provided to everyone that experiences a "micro-aggression"?

I read your entire post and as much I want to address each and every point, I kinda think you need to think your political lean because most certainly you do not speak for this progressive liberal.
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12/6/2016 3:13:11 AM
Posted: 5 days ago
At 12/6/2016 2:27:09 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 11/26/2016 6:46:53 PM, matt8800 wrote:
I definitely lean towards the liberal side but a backlash against liberalism is sweeping Western society and I am not surprised. Below are a couple areas I think they have it wrong. While some of these issues may not be critical, I think they are some examples that are indicative of how far many liberals are pushing ideas that are too out of touch with reality for much of society to accept.

1. Immigration

13% of all American Muslims feel that killing innocent non-Muslim civilians is sometimes, often or rarely justified. 35% of all British Muslims believe that killing someone for leaving Islam is justified.

The argument that not all Muslims are homicidal nuts is erroneous. If you knew that one of the summer camp counselors was a child molester but didn't know which one, would you send you child to that summer camp? While there are many Muslims that are good people, a percentage of them that is too large for comfort would kill you and all your loved ones if they could. As much of Europe is experiencing, if you let large amounts of Muslims into your country, it is inevitable that a percentage of them will want to kill you. Don't people have the right to live in a society where they feel safe?

2. Transgender bathrooms

If a man wants to put a dress on, that doesn't bother me in the least. Regarding liberals' argument for transgender bathrooms - shouldn't the comfort/discomfort of the women give them the right to have a voice without being called bigoted? I don't have much of an opinion about just bathrooms but I think expecting women to feel comfortable with a man dressed as a woman walking into a gym changing room when they are naked is unreasonable. Liberals can call them bigots for not wanting to show their naked bodies to unknown men wearing dresses but that is not going to make many of them feel comfortable with it.

3. Political correctness

PC has been pushed too far. I understand some sensitivities towards people but it has developed into a celebration of weakness. For example, do we really want to teach the future leaders of our world that a safe place to cry should be provided to everyone that experiences a "micro-aggression"?

I read your entire post and as much I want to address each and every point, I kinda think you need to think your political lean because most certainly you do not speak for this progressive liberal.

You mean as in that stuff isn't wrong or what? The bathroom thing isn't even liberal. Is that what you meant?
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12/6/2016 10:15:53 AM
Posted: 4 days ago
At 12/4/2016 12:57:00 AM, Mr.Wonderful wrote:
It's good to see people waking up... Liberalism is a joke... Ill break down its fail herer on the molecular level.

First to your points... honestly the LGTBQ community is looking for relevance because nobody cares anymore. The democrats are willing to sell them that relevance for votes. This group accounts for less than 1% of the population and frankly doesn't have a clearly defined agenda beyond being fruitcakes... take something normal and make it gay... that's about it. There is no need for a man to use the women's room or vice verse and obviously these people found a way to go to the bathroom before the TB legislation which is DOA.

Muslims are violent extremists by definition of their faith. 15-35% is a joke, it really depends how closely Muslims in a particular country are to adhere to the tenets of their true faith as outlined by Allah the Deceiver (Satan) and the Pedophile Mohammad. Basically, to live a righteous existence under Islam is to kill as many infidels and rape as many goats as possible before you reach your final destination... hell... and really the Qur'an guarantees you'll end up there, plus or minus 72 virgins based on the number of children you molested while you were alive and the direction you faced when you prayed- true Luciferians pray toward the east, toward the eastern star... this gets you bonus points which can be spent to acquire additional virgins and a free rug.

Black Lives Matter... but so does everyone else. The fact is when you have a fairly large portion of a minority population addicted to drugs and government money that is not productive in the least, the result is a lot of crime and low income housing in areas where said people reside. Blacks for the most part do the least amount to better their conditions out of any racial demographic because since the government provides for them they have no incentive to provide for themselves. It is systemic and endemic enslavement of a population by Liberal design to ensure the Democratic party doesn't go the way of the dinosaur which it will now anyways.

Illegal immigrants are here illegally... hence they should not be granted any rights under the U.S. Constitution and need to be treated like the invaders they are. They do not have social security numbers and therefore do not pay any income tax. They bing violence, crime, and drugs into the country and companies exploit their labor to avoid paying employees a living wage. Drug Cartels and Muslim terrorists are two good reasons to secure our southern border with lethal force.

Political Correctness is evil... let all doubt be removed. Its just about outlawing calling a turd a turd when it is in fact a turd with no redeeming qualities and overwhelming stench. PC dictates that we cant say "one nation under God" in the pledge of allegiance but its perfectly OK to strip off all your clothes... write "S L U T" across your chest in magic marker and walk naked down the street or five black man attacking a white man for voting Trump... perfectly OK because political correctness dictates that the man had it coming for being white... no media outlets would cover it. The funny part is the white guy didn't even get hurt that bad. I wish he would have fought back like the "Amberlamps" guy... that crap was hilarious.

Gun ownership is important... it protects freedom from people like Bath-house Barry Sotoreo and Hitlery Cunton... two of the saddest examples of bovine excrement to ever disgrace and dishonor our great nation with nefarious deeds ranging from the rape of staffers,to giving butt-buddies puppet jobs in state legislatures, to conspiring with known terrorists, to putting our nation's security at-risk by not protecting classified communications, to just your everyday acts of high treason like bowing before the president of China or kissing the feet of foreign oil sultans... and both Obama and Clinton both make it a point to stab this country in the back at least once a day.

Anyways, its hard to tell if liberals are die-hard traitors, invaders from foreign lands, or just mentally deficient and in need of re-education... well I guess we got at least four years to get to the bottom of it. The sad part is over 200,000 liberals promised to leave the country if Trump won and only 2,000 have kept their word.



The most idiotic line:

"Black Lives Matter... but so does everyone else. The fact is when you have a fairly large portion of a minority population addicted to drugs and government money that is not productive in the least, the result is a lot of crime and low income housing in areas where said people reside."
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12/7/2016 1:56:21 PM
Posted: 3 days ago
At 11/26/2016 6:46:53 PM, matt8800 wrote:
I definitely lean towards the liberal side but a backlash against liberalism is sweeping Western society and I am not surprised. Below are a couple areas I think they have it wrong. While some of these issues may not be critical, I think they are some examples that are indicative of how far many liberals are pushing ideas that are too out of touch with reality for much of society to accept.

1. Immigration

13% of all American Muslims feel that killing innocent non-Muslim civilians is sometimes, often or rarely justified. 35% of all British Muslims believe that killing someone for leaving Islam is justified.

The argument that not all Muslims are homicidal nuts is erroneous. If you knew that one of the summer camp counselors was a child molester but didn't know which one, would you send you child to that summer camp? While there are many Muslims that are good people, a percentage of them that is too large for comfort would kill you and all your loved ones if they could. As much of Europe is experiencing, if you let large amounts of Muslims into your country, it is inevitable that a percentage of them will want to kill you. Don't people have the right to live in a society where they feel safe?

No, if people do not have a right to live in a society where they feel safe. Consider that context in the case if guns. Some feel safer with them and some feel safer without them. How could you possibly reconcile between the two groups so everyone "feels" safer.

Secondly if you were to poll americans a majority believe abortion is OK in case if rape or incest. A majority believe that death of innocents are OK in the case of National security. We as a society make decisions that kill innocent people every day.

Granted, death as a punishment for leaving a religion is very unamerican but we should be very happy that most Muslims don't believe in that litteral passage in the Koran. It is time to stop vilifining all Muslims and start throwing out support for moderate who are promoting a true peaceful version of Islam.

2. Transgender bathrooms

If a man wants to put a dress on, that doesn't bother me in the least. Regarding liberals' argument for transgender bathrooms - shouldn't the comfort/discomfort of the women give them the right to have a voice without being called bigoted? I don't have much of an opinion about just bathrooms but I think expecting women to feel comfortable with a man dressed as a woman walking into a gym changing room when they are naked is unreasonable. Liberals can call them bigots for not wanting to show their naked bodies to unknown men wearing dresses but that is not going to make many of them feel comfortable with it.

Just calling a transgender female as a male in a dress shoes you are not of a liberal mindset. Who are you to give preference of uncomfortableness to girls born as girls versus a boy who mentally identifies as a girl?

3. Political correctness

PC has been pushed too far. I understand some sensitivities towards people but it has developed into a celebration of weakness. For example, do we really want to teach the future leaders of our world that a safe place to cry should be provided to everyone that experiences a "micro-aggression"?
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12/8/2016 9:09:50 PM
Posted: 2 days ago
At 11/26/2016 6:46:53 PM, matt8800 wrote:
I definitely lean towards the liberal side but a backlash against liberalism is sweeping Western society and I am not surprised. Below are a couple areas I think they have it wrong. While some of these issues may not be critical, I think they are some examples that are indicative of how far many liberals are pushing ideas that are too out of touch with reality for much of society to accept.


Constructive criticism, wonderful.

1. Immigration

13% of all American Muslims feel that killing innocent non-Muslim civilians is sometimes, often or rarely justified. 35% of all British Muslims believe that killing someone for leaving Islam is justified.


You best cite that source, my friend.

The argument that not all Muslims are homicidal nuts is erroneous. If you knew that one of the summer camp counselors was a child molester but didn't know which one, would you send you child to that summer camp? While there are many Muslims that are good people, a percentage of them that is too large for comfort would kill you and all your loved ones if they could. As much of Europe is experiencing, if you let large amounts of Muslims into your country, it is inevitable that a percentage of them will want to kill you. Don't people have the right to live in a society where they feel safe?


As a woman, a certain percentage of the male population in this country wants to rape me. But, the likelihood is small enough where I don't think it would be rational to ban them from the country.

Same goes for Muslims.

2. Transgender bathrooms

If a man wants to put a dress on, that doesn't bother me in the least. Regarding liberals' argument for transgender bathrooms - shouldn't the comfort/discomfort of the women give them the right to have a voice without being called bigoted? I don't have much of an opinion about just bathrooms but I think expecting women to feel comfortable with a man dressed as a woman walking into a gym changing room when they are naked is unreasonable. Liberals can call them bigots for not wanting to show their naked bodies to unknown men wearing dresses but that is not going to make many of them feel comfortable with it.


You need to do some more research on this one. I'll just leave it at that for now.

3. Political correctness

PC has been pushed too far. I understand some sensitivities towards people but it has developed into a celebration of weakness. For example, do we really want to teach the future leaders of our world that a safe place to cry should be provided to everyone that experiences a "micro-aggression"?

I don't think it's been pushed as far as ya think if your argument on transgender bathrooms is any indication.