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Danielle
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2/12/2011 3:14:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Which New York team is better? I'm currently trying to debate this although my opponent has pretty much forfeited the entire debate ( http://www.debate.org... ). It's a very close call, but I argued in favor of the Giants being the better team. It's so close I could easily argue the other way though. Still I think the Giants have the slight upper hand. Anyone disagree?
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2/12/2011 5:34:32 PM
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Giants are better. The coaching on the Jets are just a little more cleaver, but the team as a whole is better on the Giants side.
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2/12/2011 7:24:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/12/2011 3:14:52 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Which New York team is better? I'm currently trying to debate this although my opponent has pretty much forfeited the entire debate ( http://www.debate.org... ). It's a very close call, but I argued in favor of the Giants being the better team. It's so close I could easily argue the other way though. Still I think the Giants have the slight upper hand. Anyone disagree?

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2/12/2011 9:26:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I feel more on the Jets side because they have a better defense

Both Franchises are almost exactly the same on offense. They both have inaccurate passers and a heavy run game. Jets have better receivers while the Runningback corp of Jacobs and Bradshaw is better than Greene and Tomlinson.
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2/12/2011 10:00:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Well the Jets were more successful, at the expense of waxing obvious. The Philly game was beyond disastrous; it was a complete meltdown. Philly scored like 8 touchdown on them in three minutes, and all the Giants had to do was kick it out of bounds instead of to the most dangerous guy in the game, and didn't. A mistake like that isn't just the kicker's fault...
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2/13/2011 12:55:02 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'd say the Jets; Mark Sanchez definitely proved himself to be a formidable QB this season. I didn't hear much out of the Giants throughout the season. To be honest, all I remember is the crushing loss in the 4th quarter to the Eagles, which I believe was already mentioned.

At this point, though, we have to wait on the draft- that should have a major impact.
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
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: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
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: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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2/13/2011 10:21:42 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
After giving it a bit more thought, I definitely think the Giants are a better team. Does anyone care to debate it? Loserboi? Caramel? Samman?
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2/13/2011 11:52:18 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
That would be a tough debate since the Giants missed the playoffs and the Jets overtook the best NFL regular-season team to make it to the AFC Championship game. I mean, the only objective measure is their success. I don't follow either team enough to debate it though, I'm relatively new to football and the Pack and Eagles are the only teams I follow.
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2/13/2011 12:02:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 10:21:42 AM, theLwerd wrote:
After giving it a bit more thought, I definitely think the Giants are a better team. Does anyone care to debate it? Loserboi? Caramel? Samman?

debate parameters?

And by better team, are we taking everything into account? i.e. season performance, playoff performance, individual/team stats, etc.
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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2/13/2011 12:06:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 12:02:15 PM, m93samman wrote:
At 2/13/2011 10:21:42 AM, theLwerd wrote:
After giving it a bit more thought, I definitely think the Giants are a better team. Does anyone care to debate it? Loserboi? Caramel? Samman?

debate parameters?

And by better team, are we taking everything into account? i.e. season performance, playoff performance, individual/team stats, etc.

I would say it's about what team looks better going into the 2011-2012 season. However draft picks or trades can't be taken into account, since we don't know what they are yet. We'd most likely reference 2010-2011 season stats. Of course you could mention the playoffs -- the Giants didn't make it though lol.
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2/13/2011 12:12:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 12:06:05 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 2/13/2011 12:02:15 PM, m93samman wrote:
At 2/13/2011 10:21:42 AM, theLwerd wrote:
After giving it a bit more thought, I definitely think the Giants are a better team. Does anyone care to debate it? Loserboi? Caramel? Samman?

debate parameters?

And by better team, are we taking everything into account? i.e. season performance, playoff performance, individual/team stats, etc.

I would say it's about what team looks better going into the 2011-2012 season. However draft picks or trades can't be taken into account, since we don't know what they are yet.

I think it would be more fun if we waited until we at least figured out who went where after round 1 of the draft. I'm not the most football savvy, so is it okay if I ask when the draft is?

We'd most likely reference 2010-2011 season stats. Of course you could mention the playoffs -- the Giants didn't make it though lol.

That's a disad that you would have to deal with, and an advantage I'd get to work with :P
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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2/13/2011 12:18:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Looking forward to next season, the playoffs would just become a minor point. I think that the trend would seem to indicate that the Steelers will not do very well this season, for instance, being the SB losers.
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2/13/2011 12:21:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 12:18:21 PM, Caramel wrote:
Looking forward to next season, the playoffs would just become a minor point. I think that the trend would seem to indicate that the Steelers will not do very well this season, for instance, being the SB losers.

Raiders for the SB next season, I'm calling it
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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2/13/2011 12:26:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 12:12:12 PM, m93samman wrote:
I think it would be more fun if we waited until we at least figured out who went where after round 1 of the draft. I'm not the most football savvy, so is it okay if I ask when the draft is?

It's in 2.5 months.

That's a disad that you would have to deal with, and an advantage I'd get to work with :P

I know :)
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2/13/2011 12:28:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 12:26:11 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 2/13/2011 12:12:12 PM, m93samman wrote:
I think it would be more fun if we waited until we at least figured out who went where after round 1 of the draft. I'm not the most football savvy, so is it okay if I ask when the draft is?

It's in 2.5 months.

Good gawsh. It's a trade off I may or may not be willing to make, in terms of this debate that may or may not happen

That's a disad that you would have to deal with, and an advantage I'd get to work with :P

I know :)

hehe
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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2/13/2011 1:20:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I don't see why the draft has anything whatsoever to do with it. It's a very simple question: If the teams were as-is (with the same players and coaches from last season) then what team is superior? The draft is completely useless to the topic -- just an excuse to get out of the debate. It's cool. You don't need an excuse lol you can simply say you're not interested. I just wanted to do a football debate :) I'd even be willing to debate the other way around and say the Jets are better.
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2/13/2011 1:35:54 PM
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At 2/13/2011 1:20:30 PM, theLwerd wrote:
I don't see why the draft has anything whatsoever to do with it. It's a very simple question: If the teams were as-is (with the same players and coaches from last season) then what team is superior? The draft is completely useless to the topic -- just an excuse to get out of the debate. It's cool. You don't need an excuse lol you can simply say you're not interested. I just wanted to do a football debate :) I'd even be willing to debate the other way around and say the Jets are better.

No no no, not at all. I want to do the debate; I just like the extra facet of the draft. How many rounds were you thinking?
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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2/13/2011 10:13:53 PM
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At 2/13/2011 12:21:09 PM, m93samman wrote:
At 2/13/2011 12:18:21 PM, Caramel wrote:
Looking forward to next season, the playoffs would just become a minor point. I think that the trend would seem to indicate that the Steelers will not do very well this season, for instance, being the SB losers.

Raiders for the SB next season, I'm calling it

OK I'm playing fantasy now so I actually know a little about the players... Mcfadden was earning a lot of points this season, that's for sure. Raiders put up a bunch of wins this year but I don't remember anything remarkable being said about the QB or WR. They have a decent defense though if I remember correctly
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2/13/2011 10:30:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Ahmad Bradshaw (17th), Hakeem Nicks (20th), Mario Manningham (68th), and Eli Manning (70th) are looking much better for fantasy next year than the Jets' Shonn Green (69th), Ladainian Tomlinson (90th), Santanio Holmes (59th) and Mark Sanchez (who cares). I guess the Jets got the D though. Giants' D has nightmares about Michael Vick.
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2/14/2011 12:44:29 AM
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At 2/13/2011 10:30:36 PM, Caramel wrote:
Giants' D has nightmares about Michael Vick.

and that other little prick receiver who hangs on Vick's nuts...

you know.. the one who always showboats into the end zone because he's a stupid little prick.
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2/14/2011 12:48:44 AM
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stupid little prick
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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2/14/2011 12:44:08 PM
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At 2/14/2011 12:44:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 2/13/2011 10:30:36 PM, Caramel wrote:
Giants' D has nightmares about Michael Vick.

and that other little prick receiver who hangs on Vick's nuts...

you know.. the one who always showboats into the end zone because he's a stupid little prick.

Man... that is entertainment... I love him for those showboat endzone moments
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2/14/2011 6:48:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/14/2011 12:44:08 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 2/14/2011 12:44:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 2/13/2011 10:30:36 PM, Caramel wrote:
Giants' D has nightmares about Michael Vick.

and that other little prick receiver who hangs on Vick's nuts...

you know.. the one who always showboats into the end zone because he's a stupid little prick.

Man... that is entertainment... I love him for those showboat endzone moments
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2/14/2011 6:51:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/14/2011 6:48:00 PM, Caramel wrote:
At 2/14/2011 12:44:08 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 2/14/2011 12:44:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 2/13/2011 10:30:36 PM, Caramel wrote:
Giants' D has nightmares about Michael Vick.

and that other little prick receiver who hangs on Vick's nuts...

you know.. the one who always showboats into the end zone because he's a stupid little prick.

Man... that is entertainment... I love him for those showboat endzone moments


LOVED THIS MOMENT!!!!

Man people complain about showboating too much, it makes the game fun and entertaining! How boring would it be if there were no T.Os, Ochocincos, and Desean Jacksons
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2/14/2011 7:43:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/14/2011 6:51:30 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 2/14/2011 6:48:00 PM, Caramel wrote:
At 2/14/2011 12:44:08 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 2/14/2011 12:44:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 2/13/2011 10:30:36 PM, Caramel wrote:
Giants' D has nightmares about Michael Vick.

and that other little prick receiver who hangs on Vick's nuts...

you know.. the one who always showboats into the end zone because he's a stupid little prick.

Man... that is entertainment... I love him for those showboat endzone moments


LOVED THIS MOMENT!!!!

Man people complain about showboating too much, it makes the game fun and entertaining! How boring would it be if there were no T.Os, Ochocincos, and Desean Jacksons and...

GET YOUR 84 Jerseys out
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2/15/2011 1:36:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 1:35:54 PM, m93samman wrote:
No no no, not at all. I want to do the debate; I just like the extra facet of the draft. How many rounds were you thinking?

3?
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2/19/2011 2:07:28 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/17/2011 10:03:40 AM, Danielle wrote:
Anybody? Nobody wants to argue that last season's Jets are a better team than the Giants? Hm, okay :)

I imagined the debate so many times from so many angles... I cant see myself winning...