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Lasagna
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10/4/2011 1:51:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Four teams are now in the lead (0-4) in the exciting race for Andrew luck.

Minnesota
Indianapolis
Miami
St. Louis

Which one will make the dive for Luck? If you're a fan of one of these teams, can you honestly say you wouldn't just love to see your team take #32 and see Andrew Luck suit-up in your colors next year? Are the accusations going to start flying at some point if two or more of them has to start actually competing for the bottom?

I am just praying it isn't Minnesota, because then the Packers will have to face him 2-3 times a year.
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10/4/2011 1:59:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/4/2011 1:51:54 PM, Lasagna wrote:
Four teams are now in the lead (0-4) in the exciting race for Andrew luck.

Minnesota
Indianapolis
Miami
St. Louis

Which one will make the dive for Luck? If you're a fan of one of these teams, can you honestly say you wouldn't just love to see your team take #32 and see Andrew Luck suit-up in your colors next year? Are the accusations going to start flying at some point if two or more of them has to start actually competing for the bottom?

I am just praying it isn't Minnesota, because then the Packers will have to face him 2-3 times a year.

I wonder if a team that is 4-11 going against a team that is 0-15 might actually try to be a Luck spoilier and intentionally lose? Then we'd have a real life south park episode (though with adults and football, rather than kids and baseball).
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10/4/2011 5:45:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/4/2011 1:51:54 PM, Lasagna wrote:
Four teams are now in the lead (0-4) in the exciting race for Andrew luck.

Minnesota
Indianapolis
Miami
St. Louis

Which one will make the dive for Luck? If you're a fan of one of these teams, can you honestly say you wouldn't just love to see your team take #32 and see Andrew Luck suit-up in your colors next year? Are the accusations going to start flying at some point if two or more of them has to start actually competing for the bottom?

I am just praying it isn't Minnesota, because then the Packers will have to face him 2-3 times a year.

St Louis will not draft luck cross them out already.

I am betting Miami gets him, because Miami seems to be the most lost team in the NFL right now. The fans already hate Chad Henne, their defense is not good anymore, and they don't have that running game that made them successful years back. The only thing stopping Miami is Soprano's need to keep his job.

Indianapolis is 2nd I usually say they are first but watching Indy play, their defense does not give up, their team has not had a losing season in so long that they are actually too prideful to tank the season. The defense is trying which will keep them from taking number 32. Also that offense still has all their weapons and all their weapons are healthy, Reggie Wayne is gonna be Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark and Pierre Garcon are all play makers.

3. Minnesota, I can see Minnesota tanking the season, Minnesota really needs to get not only a quarterback but a wide receiver, Percy Harvin doesn't show me any signs that he can be an elite WR in the league, he seems more of a guy who is better off in the slot and as a return specialist. McNabb is not going to stay a Viking after this season. But you know they won't be number 32. Adrian Peterson will have the games where he will single handedly win the game for you.
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10/4/2011 6:11:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Minnesota drafted a first round QB this year for those who aren't paying attention (Mcnabb is there to give him time to develop), and has a helluva athlete (if a little rough in passing) on third string. If we get the Luck spot frankly I'd favor trading out of it for more picks. Rhetoric about how some draft prospect is a guaranteed hall of famer tires me. We have a far better shot of success putting a half decent offensive line in front of Peterson and either Ponder or Webb (Receiver isn't a big priority. Jenkins is a decent possession receiver and Harvin has phenomenal YAC even if he's only average as a deep threat. Minnesota's had some elite receivers in the past, I tire of that strategy. With a decent line and a back like Peterson, time and distraction will get an average and an above average receiver open.)
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10/4/2011 6:30:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/4/2011 6:11:37 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Minnesota drafted a first round QB this year for those who aren't paying attention (Mcnabb is there to give him time to develop), and has a helluva athlete (if a little rough in passing) on third string. If we get the Luck spot frankly I'd favor trading out of it for more picks. Rhetoric about how some draft prospect is a guaranteed hall of famer tires me. We have a far better shot of success putting a half decent offensive line in front of Peterson and either Ponder or Webb (Receiver isn't a big priority. Jenkins is a decent possession receiver and Harvin has phenomenal YAC even if he's only average as a deep threat. Minnesota's had some elite receivers in the past, I tire of that strategy. With a decent line and a back like Peterson, time and distraction will get an average and an above average receiver open.)

I think if the chance to get Luck does come Minnesota wouldn't hesitate to take it, then they will have a QB controversy. It is like Panthers drafting Clausen, and then drafting newton the year afterwards
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10/4/2011 9:03:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/4/2011 5:45:13 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 10/4/2011 1:51:54 PM, Lasagna wrote:
Four teams are now in the lead (0-4) in the exciting race for Andrew luck.

Minnesota
Indianapolis
Miami
St. Louis

Which one will make the dive for Luck? If you're a fan of one of these teams, can you honestly say you wouldn't just love to see your team take #32 and see Andrew Luck suit-up in your colors next year? Are the accusations going to start flying at some point if two or more of them has to start actually competing for the bottom?

I am just praying it isn't Minnesota, because then the Packers will have to face him 2-3 times a year.

St Louis will not draft luck cross them out already.

UFCK THAT THEY WILL GET HIM AND TRADE HIM TO SOMEBODY ELSE FOR HALF OF THEIR GOD-DAMNED TEAM!

I am betting Miami gets him, because Miami seems to be the most lost team in the NFL right now. The fans already hate Chad Henne, their defense is not good anymore, and they don't have that running game that made them successful years back. The only thing stopping Miami is Soprano's need to keep his job.

Indianapolis is 2nd I usually say they are first but watching Indy play, their defense does not give up, their team has not had a losing season in so long that they are actually too prideful to tank the season. The defense is trying which will keep them from taking number 32. Also that offense still has all their weapons and all their weapons are healthy, Reggie Wayne is gonna be Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark and Pierre Garcon are all play makers.

3. Minnesota, I can see Minnesota tanking the season, Minnesota really needs to get not only a quarterback but a wide receiver, Percy Harvin doesn't show me any signs that he can be an elite WR in the league, he seems more of a guy who is better off in the slot and as a return specialist. McNabb is not going to stay a Viking after this season. But you know they won't be number 32. Adrian Peterson will have the games where he will single handedly win the game for you.

The way they are playing him now, I wouldn't count on it. But I hope you're right because like I said I really really don't want the Vikings ending up with him. Miami would be a fantastic choice for Luck.
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10/7/2011 9:06:13 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Now that Henne is out for the season, the 'phins can make it look good while losing the rest of their games to draft luck. Let the AFC deal with him. If the Vikings get him I will be so pissed...
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10/7/2011 9:36:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/7/2011 9:06:13 AM, Lasagna wrote:
Now that Henne is out for the season, the 'phins can make it look good while losing the rest of their games to draft luck. Let the AFC deal with him. If the Vikings get him I will be so pissed...

So you want your division to be as easy as possible so the Packers can prove what... that they can easily beat mediocre teams? Awesome. As I said, I'm a New York fan for fun but my love for football has transcended really caring about who wins. I genuinely just love the game. He can come on over to my division :) I think he'd be a good fit for the Phins actually. I hate Chad Henne. And I really wish that dude from last year (who was all RAH RAH HENNE = BRADY) was here so I could laugh at him :P
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10/10/2011 2:15:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/7/2011 9:36:07 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 10/7/2011 9:06:13 AM, Lasagna wrote:
Now that Henne is out for the season, the 'phins can make it look good while losing the rest of their games to draft luck. Let the AFC deal with him. If the Vikings get him I will be so pissed...

So you want your division to be as easy as possible so the Packers can prove what... that they can easily beat mediocre teams? Awesome. As I said, I'm a New York fan for fun but my love for football has transcended really caring about who wins. I genuinely just love the game. He can come on over to my division :) I think he'd be a good fit for the Phins actually. I hate Chad Henne. And I really wish that dude from last year (who was all RAH RAH HENNE = BRADY) was here so I could laugh at him :P

He could cost GB games in close-seasons, so yeah I'd rather have him across the league if possible!
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10/25/2011 6:17:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Race to the top:
1. Indianapolis (0-7)
2. Miami (0-6)
3. Rams (0-6)
4. Vikings (1-6)

Still in the runnings:
Cards (1-5)
Panthers (2-5)
Jaguars (2-5)

Miami and Indy are pulling away from the pack here. Miami's schedule is tough from here on out, with the only semi-manageable game being against KC next week. However if they and the Rams were to both finish out perfect, the Rams' schedule would disqualify them because it's the toughest in the league (and they have Bradford anyway). Ponder is looking pretty right now so I think Minn is excited about developing him, which leaves Indy. Indy has the easiest schedule (as far as I can tell) so they have this in the hole if they want Luck. It's funny that they don't really need him though, and could use the next couple years to groom him and eventually reture Manning, but would Luck agree to that? Newton, Ponder, and a host of other much less promising QBs started this year so it would be unlikely that he'd be happy to sit behind Manning for however long it takes him to fade out. I saw an article about Indy just using Luck as a trade pawn, but that seems to be pretty devious - especially considering they have two shots to beat Jacksonville, two shots to beat Tennessee, and one shot at Carolina to get a win yet. If they don't win one of those games it will be a little suspect.
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10/25/2011 6:53:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm going to laugh so hard if Luck isn't the #1 pick. Personally, watching his last 2 games, I don't think he's done well enough to be the #1 pick.

Or even funnier if he decides to stay one more season in college (I would, just to piss off any teams that intentionally lost to get me).
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10/25/2011 6:56:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/25/2011 6:53:46 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
I'm going to laugh so hard if Luck isn't the #1 pick. Personally, watching his last 2 games, I don't think he's done well enough to be the #1 pick.
: Or even funnier if he decides to stay one more season in college (I would, just to piss off any teams that intentionally lost to get me).

This. Would be so hilarious.

But if you don't think Luck should be no. 1, who should be?
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10/25/2011 7:03:02 PM
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At 10/25/2011 6:56:46 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 10/25/2011 6:53:46 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
I'm going to laugh so hard if Luck isn't the #1 pick. Personally, watching his last 2 games, I don't think he's done well enough to be the #1 pick.
: Or even funnier if he decides to stay one more season in college (I would, just to piss off any teams that intentionally lost to get me).

This. Would be so hilarious.

But if you don't think Luck should be no. 1, who should be?

He's just blowing off steam; Luck will be #1. And teams are going to dive until he gets drafted so there's no point in trying to wait it out - it will just happen next year.
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10/25/2011 7:38:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/25/2011 6:53:46 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
I'm going to laugh so hard if Luck isn't the #1 pick. Personally, watching his last 2 games, I don't think he's done well enough to be the #1 pick.

Or even funnier if he decides to stay one more season in college (I would, just to piss off any teams that intentionally lost to get me).

He is going to be the number 1 pick. I think his last two games were good, the few plays i saw of him, he showed really good accuracy. The fact o the matter is Luck has the highest scout ratings ever for a quarterback. Never has a QB have such a high scout rating since John Elway.
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10/25/2011 7:46:09 PM
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At 10/25/2011 6:17:13 PM, Lasagna wrote:
Race to the top:
1. Indianapolis (0-7)
2. Miami (0-6)
3. Rams (0-6)
4. Vikings (1-6)

Still in the runnings:
Cards (1-5)
Panthers (2-5)
Jaguars (2-5)

Miami and Indy are pulling away from the pack here. Miami's schedule is tough from here on out, with the only semi-manageable game being against KC next week. However if they and the Rams were to both finish out perfect, the Rams' schedule would disqualify them because it's the toughest in the league (and they have Bradford anyway). Ponder is looking pretty right now so I think Minn is excited about developing him, which leaves Indy. Indy has the easiest schedule (as far as I can tell) so they have this in the hole if they want Luck. It's funny that they don't really need him though, and could use the next couple years to groom him and eventually reture Manning, but would Luck agree to that? Newton, Ponder, and a host of other much less promising QBs started this year so it would be unlikely that he'd be happy to sit behind Manning for however long it takes him to fade out. I saw an article about Indy just using Luck as a trade pawn, but that seems to be pretty devious - especially considering they have two shots to beat Jacksonville, two shots to beat Tennessee, and one shot at Carolina to get a win yet. If they don't win one of those games it will be a little suspect.

Man, if i was luck i would demand to be traded from the Colts for many reasons.
1. He will never touch the football... Not even in practice... Manning demands ALL the snaps and practice with the starting team. NEVER touch the football.
2. Peyton Manning is not nice like Brett Favre, Peyton Manning has no intent of helping his future successor succeed. Brett Favre was a guy who would like to try and help his predecessors, Matt Hasselbeck said that Favre helped him develop into the QB he will become.
3. If Manning comes back healthy, he is going to be in the NFL for quite some time. 3-4 years probably? Luck by the time he will touch the Football he will be 26-27?
4. Peyton Manning does not want the Colts to draft Luck, Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Dallas clark, and Jeff Saturday the core players on the Colts team are past 30 years old they are in the point of their careers where they will need people who can contribute immediately to help the team win a superbowl.
COLTS NEED LINEBACKERS, a decent Runningback, and some help in the secondary.
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10/25/2011 9:28:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/25/2011 7:46:09 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 10/25/2011 6:17:13 PM, Lasagna wrote:
Race to the top:
1. Indianapolis (0-7)
2. Miami (0-6)
3. Rams (0-6)
4. Vikings (1-6)

Still in the runnings:
Cards (1-5)
Panthers (2-5)
Jaguars (2-5)

Miami and Indy are pulling away from the pack here. Miami's schedule is tough from here on out, with the only semi-manageable game being against KC next week. However if they and the Rams were to both finish out perfect, the Rams' schedule would disqualify them because it's the toughest in the league (and they have Bradford anyway). Ponder is looking pretty right now so I think Minn is excited about developing him, which leaves Indy. Indy has the easiest schedule (as far as I can tell) so they have this in the hole if they want Luck. It's funny that they don't really need him though, and could use the next couple years to groom him and eventually reture Manning, but would Luck agree to that? Newton, Ponder, and a host of other much less promising QBs started this year so it would be unlikely that he'd be happy to sit behind Manning for however long it takes him to fade out. I saw an article about Indy just using Luck as a trade pawn, but that seems to be pretty devious - especially considering they have two shots to beat Jacksonville, two shots to beat Tennessee, and one shot at Carolina to get a win yet. If they don't win one of those games it will be a little suspect.

Man, if i was luck i would demand to be traded from the Colts for many reasons.
1. He will never touch the football... Not even in practice... Manning demands ALL the snaps and practice with the starting team. NEVER touch the football.
2. Peyton Manning is not nice like Brett Favre, Peyton Manning has no intent of helping his future successor succeed. Brett Favre was a guy who would like to try and help his predecessors, Matt Hasselbeck said that Favre helped him develop into the QB he will become.
3. If Manning comes back healthy, he is going to be in the NFL for quite some time. 3-4 years probably? Luck by the time he will touch the Football he will be 26-27?
4. Peyton Manning does not want the Colts to draft Luck, Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Dallas clark, and Jeff Saturday the core players on the Colts team are past 30 years old they are in the point of their careers where they will need people who can contribute immediately to help the team win a superbowl.
COLTS NEED LINEBACKERS, a decent Runningback, and some help in the secondary.

I think you have that pretty well thought out.

Favre: when Rodgers was developing, Favre made a comment that it wasn't his job to help him. Perhaps things were different with Hasslebeck since Favre was comfortably in his prime and, as far as he was concerned, was just helping himself out in case he got knocked out of a game or two. With Rodgers, Favre knew he was being replaced (Favre obviously still harbors resentment about losing his throne to this day). But I can believe that Manning is even worse.

Also, it's not certain that Manning will even be coming back at all. His nerve fibers have yet to regenerate adequately.
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11/7/2011 12:53:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Indy is now in a firm lead in the race for luck. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't draft him no matter what happens to Manning. They are going to pull him in, let him learn from the best, and set him loose in 2 seasons as Manning's injuries continue to mount. Indianapolis will be a relevant team throughout the next decade because of the move. It's a good time to be an Indy fan.
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11/15/2011 10:57:25 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
http://espn.go.com...

It is all but official: The Colts will draft Andrew Luck to be Manning's successor. I sure hope he stays another year and screws them over.
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11/15/2011 11:58:00 AM
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At 11/15/2011 10:57:25 AM, Lasagna wrote:
http://espn.go.com...

It is all but official: The Colts will draft Andrew Luck to be Manning's successor. I sure hope he stays another year and screws them over.

http://www.debate.org...

WHO they draft is not said.
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11/15/2011 12:00:54 PM
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At 11/7/2011 12:53:04 PM, Lasagna wrote:
Indy is now in a firm lead in the race for luck. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't draft him no matter what happens to Manning. They are going to pull him in, let him learn from the best, and set him loose in 2 seasons as Manning's injuries continue to mount. Indianapolis will be a relevant team throughout the next decade because of the move. It's a good time to be an Indy fan.

I agree with this strategy.
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11/15/2011 12:01:23 PM
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The Colts aren't even a terrible team, so I do think they'll bounce back. They should definitely pick Luck.
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