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Is Brees better than Marino?

UnStupendousMan
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12/26/2011 10:00:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
As of writing, Drew Brees has not become the Prince of the Pass just yet. Marino still holds the title. However, it is imminent. So, the question becomes: who is better?
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12/26/2011 10:20:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
To me Brees has always been better. I'm surprised it took him this long to break the record.
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12/26/2011 10:22:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I personally think Marino was better because of the rules allow the passer so much freedom now. And Marino did not have Brees' running game.
Lasagna
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12/27/2011 12:14:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I was considering constructing this thread as well.

As demonstrated by the number of people who nearly broke the record this year, Brees' year is not as impressive as Marino's despite still having one more game left. In the same vein, Bonds, Sosa, and Maguire are not as impressive as Babe Ruth despite having broken his (and Aaron's) home-run records. There are many factors (technique, rules, drugs) but you only have to look at their peers to see the truth. When a legend has a record that stands for decades and then it is broken (or nearly broken) by several players simultaneously, it's a strong sign that the game itself is changing, and you can only judge people by their performance versus their peers. As it stands right now, Brees has the record, but he isn't having anywhere close to the best season right now. Rodgers is trouncing him in almost every stat you can produce (e.g., TDs, picks, QBR, rushing) but simply hasn't needed to go as far each drive, possibly due to the way he takes the field. About 30 of his drives, for instance, are due to interceptions leaving him shortened fields.

I think if you examine the stats of QBs around the league in the early-80s, you aren't going to see half a dozen 4,000 yard passers right behind him and a couple others right on his heels like Brees. Also, time will tell how long this record will remain intact.
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12/28/2011 5:01:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/27/2011 12:14:47 AM, Lasagna wrote:
I was considering constructing this thread as well.

As demonstrated by the number of people who nearly broke the record this year, Brees' year is not as impressive as Marino's despite still having one more game left. In the same vein, Bonds, Sosa, and Maguire are not as impressive as Babe Ruth despite having broken his (and Aaron's) home-run records. There are many factors (technique, rules, drugs) but you only have to look at their peers to see the truth. When a legend has a record that stands for decades and then it is broken (or nearly broken) by several players simultaneously, it's a strong sign that the game itself is changing, and you can only judge people by their performance versus their peers. As it stands right now, Brees has the record, but he isn't having anywhere close to the best season right now. Rodgers is trouncing him in almost every stat you can produce (e.g., TDs, picks, QBR, rushing) but simply hasn't needed to go as far each drive, possibly due to the way he takes the field. About 30 of his drives, for instance, are due to interceptions leaving him shortened fields.

I think if you examine the stats of QBs around the league in the early-80s, you aren't going to see half a dozen 4,000 yard passers right behind him and a couple others right on his heels like Brees. Also, time will tell how long this record will remain intact.

Trouncing is an overstatement...
They are like 4 TDs apart
Rodgers is getting destroyed in yardage
Rushing should not be counted at all...

I will give the QBR to you though, Rodgers is beating Peyton Manning's record which i thought could not be beaten, at least not this fast.
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12/28/2011 5:29:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Having been born and raised in Miami, I'd like to say Marino. But to be honest, I pay little attention to football. I know Brees is a great QB, and now he has a ring, but I know for certain Marino was an amazing QB.

My answer is, I can't genuinely go either way on account of ignorance.
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UnStupendousMan
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12/28/2011 8:12:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 5:01:15 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 12/27/2011 12:14:47 AM, Lasagna wrote:
I was considering constructing this thread as well.

As demonstrated by the number of people who nearly broke the record this year, Brees' year is not as impressive as Marino's despite still having one more game left. In the same vein, Bonds, Sosa, and Maguire are not as impressive as Babe Ruth despite having broken his (and Aaron's) home-run records. There are many factors (technique, rules, drugs) but you only have to look at their peers to see the truth. When a legend has a record that stands for decades and then it is broken (or nearly broken) by several players simultaneously, it's a strong sign that the game itself is changing, and you can only judge people by their performance versus their peers. As it stands right now, Brees has the record, but he isn't having anywhere close to the best season right now. Rodgers is trouncing him in almost every stat you can produce (e.g., TDs, picks, QBR, rushing) but simply hasn't needed to go as far each drive, possibly due to the way he takes the field. About 30 of his drives, for instance, are due to interceptions leaving him shortened fields.

I think if you examine the stats of QBs around the league in the early-80s, you aren't going to see half a dozen 4,000 yard passers right behind him and a couple others right on his heels like Brees. Also, time will tell how long this record will remain intact.

Trouncing is an overstatement...
They are like 4 TDs apart
Rodgers is getting destroyed in yardage
Rushing should not be counted at all...


I will give the QBR to you though, Rodgers is beating Peyton Manning's record which i thought could not be beaten, at least not this fast.

I thought nobody in the history of ever would ever bring up ESPN's QBR. Congrats to you.
inferno
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12/29/2011 10:32:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/26/2011 10:00:20 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
As of writing, Drew Brees has not become the Prince of the Pass just yet. Marino still holds the title. However, it is imminent. So, the question becomes: who is better?

Since he has a Super Bowl Ring. Yes.
Lasagna
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12/29/2011 11:23:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 10:32:41 AM, inferno wrote:
At 12/26/2011 10:00:20 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
As of writing, Drew Brees has not become the Prince of the Pass just yet. Marino still holds the title. However, it is imminent. So, the question becomes: who is better?

Since he has a Super Bowl Ring. Yes.

Ahh. So even Brees' backup QB is better than Marino...
Rob
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12/29/2011 11:58:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 10:32:41 AM, inferno wrote:
At 12/26/2011 10:00:20 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
As of writing, Drew Brees has not become the Prince of the Pass just yet. Marino still holds the title. However, it is imminent. So, the question becomes: who is better?

Since he has a Super Bowl Ring. Yes.

Didn't Marino face Joe Montana when he went to the Super Bowl?
Lasagna
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12/29/2011 1:31:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Top-10 passers (1984)

1. Dan Marino*+ · MIA 5084
2. Neil Lomax* · STL 4614
3. Phil Simms · NYG 4044
4. Dan Fouts · SDG 3740
5. Dave Krieg* · SEA 3671
6. Joe Montana* · SFO 3630
7. Steve DeBerg · TAM 3554
8. Paul McDonald · CLE 3472
9. Joe Theismann · WAS 3391
10. Warren Moon · HOU 3338

(1985)
1. Dan Marino*+ · MIA 4137
2. John Elway · DEN 3891
3. Ken O'Brien* · NYJ 3888
4. Phil Simms* · NYG 3829
5. Joe Montana* · SFO 3653
6. Dan Fouts* · SDG 3638
7. Dave Krieg · SEA 3602
8. Tommy Kramer · MIN 3522
9. Ron Jaworski · PHI 3450
10. Boomer Esiason · CIN 3443

(1986)
1. Dan Marino*+ · MIA 4746
2. Jay Schroeder* · WAS 4109
3. Boomer Esiason* · CIN 3959
4. Bernie Kosar · CLE 3854
5. Ken O'Brien · NYJ 3690
6. Jim Kelly · BUF 3593
7. Warren Moon · HOU 3489
8. Phil Simms · NYG 3487
9. John Elway* · DEN 3485
10. Tony Eason · NWE 3328

Over the ten-year span from 1984-1993, the 4,000 mark was only broken 10 times - 4 of those by Marino.

Compare this to the last three seasons, for example (2009-2011):

(2009)
1. Matt Schaub* · HOU 4770
2. Peyton Manning*+ · IND 4500
3. Tony Romo* · DAL 4483
4. Aaron Rodgers* · GNB 4434
5. Tom Brady* · NWE 4398
6. Drew Brees* · NOR 4388
7. Ben Roethlisberger · PIT 4328
8. Philip Rivers* · SDG 4254
9. Brett Favre* · MIN 4202
10. Eli Manning · NYG 4021

(2010)
1. Philip Rivers* · SDG 4710
2. Peyton Manning* · IND 4700
3. Drew Brees* · NOR 4620
4. Matt Schaub · HOU 4370
5. Eli Manning · NYG 4002
6. Carson Palmer · CIN 3970
7. Aaron Rodgers · GNB 3922
8. Tom Brady*+ · NWE 3900
9. Matt Ryan* · ATL 3705
10. Kyle Orton · DEN 3653

And this season, without playing the last game yet:

1. Drew Brees* · NOR 5087
2. Tom Brady* · NWE 4897
3. Aaron Rodgers* · GNB 4643
4. Eli Manning* · NYG 4587
5. Matthew Stafford · DET 4518
6. Philip Rivers* · SDG 4314
7. Matt Ryan · ATL 4071
8. Tony Romo · DAL 3895
9. Cam Newton · CAR 3893
10. Ben Roethlisberger* · PIT 3856

I don't think anyone would bet against those bottom three not getting to the 4k mark. In fact, in all likelihood, Brady will top Marino's mark as well this year. Cam Newton would have smashed the entire 1985 league including Dan Marino, Joe Montana, John Elway, Boomer Esiason, and Phil Simms.
Rob