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1/17/2010 5:31:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
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I don't follow NFL, or have a clue who Tim Tebow is, but I read an article stating he would be in a 30 second anti-abortion ad during the Superbowl, which I know is a fudging big thing.

The ad is dangerous in any case, stating Tebows mother was advised to have an abortion, and decided against it and gave birth to Tim. This is dangerous - Think of all the pregnant women who will be advised to medically receive an abortion, and go against this because of this ad. Personally I think anyone would have to retarded to follow the advice, but some will. And this could put womens life at risk.

"were advised by doctors to have an abortion as Tebow's mother was going through medical issues connected to the pregnancy. She ignored the recommendations"

Sure, she got lucky, but there are many others who won't get lucky.
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1/17/2010 6:33:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm pro-choice, but I don't see anything wrong with this ad. Women should be aware that they have options. I don't see this as crossing a line or overly pushing an agenda. Abortion is a difficult choice; I know a lot of women who have had them and deeply regretted it afterward (to the point where it damaged other aspects of their life). Whatever choice a woman decides to make, she should make it with a clear head and after considering the consequences or reality of what the surgery does.

Now to me, this is very different than REQUIRING that a woman listen to her fetus' heartbeat if she opts for an abortion! For one thing no one is "requiring" that pregnant women watch this commercial (and people even know that it's going to air ahead of time). Also, the commercial seems to inform a woman of options where the heartbeat thing merely seems to GUILT a woman into not having an abortion.

Also, I think this commercial is aimed at men too considering the demographic being targeted. Many young guys who are not ready for fatherhood often force or encourage their baby mama to have an abortion when the mother really doesn't want to. I think this commercial is just bringing awareness to the issue.
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1/17/2010 6:45:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/17/2010 6:33:23 AM, theLwerd wrote:
I'm pro-choice, but I don't see anything wrong with this ad. Women should be aware that they have options. I don't see this as crossing a line or overly pushing an agenda. Abortion is a difficult choice; I know a lot of women who have had them and deeply regretted it afterward (to the point where it damaged other aspects of their life). Whatever choice a woman decides to make, she should make it with a clear head and after considering the consequences or reality of what the surgery does.

Now to me, this is very different than REQUIRING that a woman listen to her fetus' heartbeat if she opts for an abortion! For one thing no one is "requiring" that pregnant women watch this commercial (and people even know that it's going to air ahead of time). Also, the commercial seems to inform a woman of options where the heartbeat thing merely seems to GUILT a woman into not having an abortion.

Also, I think this commercial is aimed at men too considering the demographic being targeted. Many young guys who are not ready for fatherhood often force or encourage their baby mama to have an abortion when the mother really doesn't want to. I think this commercial is just bringing awareness to the issue.

I have no problem with a commercial against abortion, but the problem is the ad uses the example of someone who went against medical advice to receive an abortion. It could give the impression what doctors say in a situation doesn't mean anything, which leads to medical complications and death.

It's the fact they're saying "Oh hey, don't listen to doctors who say you could die from giving birth!"
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1/17/2010 6:59:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/17/2010 6:45:30 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

I have no problem with a commercial against abortion, but the problem is the ad uses the example of someone who went against medical advice to receive an abortion. It could give the impression what doctors say in a situation doesn't mean anything, which leads to medical complications and death.

It's the fact they're saying "Oh hey, don't listen to doctors who say you could die from giving birth!"

Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. Well in that case, I still think it's a personal choice that every woman should make for herself. Some women are genuinely prepared to die instead of having an abortion, and I think this commercial will strengthen their belief in that regard. In the case of a woman who feels neutral about it, I'm not sure this commercial will really impact her. When it comes down to it, if you're in a situation where your own life is being threatened, then your own values (and fear) will prevail - you'll do what you think is best and furthers your values the most.
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1/17/2010 7:05:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/17/2010 6:59:25 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 1/17/2010 6:45:30 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

I have no problem with a commercial against abortion, but the problem is the ad uses the example of someone who went against medical advice to receive an abortion. It could give the impression what doctors say in a situation doesn't mean anything, which leads to medical complications and death.

It's the fact they're saying "Oh hey, don't listen to doctors who say you could die from giving birth!"

Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. Well in that case, I still think it's a personal choice that every woman should make for herself. Some women are genuinely prepared to die instead of having an abortion, and I think this commercial will strengthen their belief in that regard. In the case of a woman who feels neutral about it, I'm not sure this commercial will really impact her. When it comes down to it, if you're in a situation where your own life is being threatened, then your own values (and fear) will prevail - you'll do what you think is best and furthers your values the most.

I agree a woman should be allowed do what they want in that situation, but obviously the ad makes any situation of medically dangerous pregnancy seem like it doesn't really matter. Sure, there are cases when it's better to be on the safe side, and the baby is more than likely viable and the doctors have to inform the mother.

I'm not advocating the ad should be blocked by the government, but rather it's backing up the idea that Christians should put there trust in their faith rather than medicine. Like the girl with diabetes who died when the parents failed to react appropriately.
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1/17/2010 10:09:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/17/2010 7:05:01 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

I'm not advocating the ad should be blocked by the government, but rather it's backing up the idea that Christians should put there trust in their faith rather than medicine.

Yeah, but unfortunately that's not your choice to make.
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1/17/2010 10:18:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/17/2010 5:31:36 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

The ad is dangerous in any case, stating Tebows mother was advised to have an abortion, and decided against it and gave birth to Tim. This is dangerous - Think of all the pregnant women who will be advised to medically receive an abortion, and go against this because of this ad.

I don't think to many women medically need to have abortions. I think the "health" aspect of abortions is vastly overplayed.
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1/17/2010 10:19:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/17/2010 6:45:30 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

I have no problem with a commercial against abortion, but the problem is the ad uses the example of someone who went against medical advice to receive an abortion.

looks like you already answered my objection. Sorry for that.
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1/17/2010 9:13:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/17/2010 5:31:36 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...

I don't follow NFL, or have a clue who Tim Tebow is, but I read an article stating he would be in a 30 second anti-abortion ad during the Superbowl, which I know is a fudging big thing.

The ad is dangerous in any case, stating Tebows mother was advised to have an abortion, and decided against it and gave birth to Tim. This is dangerous - Think of all the pregnant women who will be advised to medically receive an abortion, and go against this because of this ad. Personally I think anyone would have to retarded to follow the advice, but some will. And this could put womens life at risk.

"were advised by doctors to have an abortion as Tebow's mother was going through medical issues connected to the pregnancy. She ignored the recommendations"

Sure, she got lucky, but there are many others who won't get lucky.

I am anti abortion but i am pro-choice when it comes to paying for an ad if you have the money.

Worded weird, i know.

But if someone is going to pay for it than who cares, let it happen.
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1/18/2010 10:59:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/17/2010 6:45:30 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

It's the fact they're saying "Oh hey, don't listen to doctors who say you could die from giving birth!"

Medicial advice is not gospel, I know that from experience. Though women should not be pressured into ignoring it on a point of principle they should know that they have a right to do so if it conflicts with their core morality or instinct. It's an awkward one.
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1/18/2010 1:14:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I have no problem with them showing this, but I am afraid that, like Panda said, it may inspire women that will take the risk and avoid abortion when they are in no position to do so. Mother and child will die in the place of just the fetus. That worries me.

Still, I haven't seen the ad myself, and I'm not aware of the story myself, but I can only hope that (Christian) women will not take this video and go suicide with it.
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1/18/2010 1:18:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I don't understand why people are upset over this. Its sad when people get mad because others won't kill babies.
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1/18/2010 1:23:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 1:18:16 PM, Koopin wrote:
I don't understand why people are upset over this. Its sad when people get mad because others won't kill babies when medically advised to under the circumstance they could die.

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1/18/2010 2:41:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 1:23:18 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 1/18/2010 1:18:16 PM, Koopin wrote:
I don't understand why people are upset over this. Its sad when people get mad because others won't kill babies when medically advised to under the circumstance they could die.

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They probably should follow the doctors' advice if their life is at risk. That being said - you make it sound as if this is common or something. It really isn't. At least not in 1st world countries.
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1/19/2010 7:03:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 2:41:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 1/18/2010 1:23:18 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 1/18/2010 1:18:16 PM, Koopin wrote:
I don't understand why people are upset over this. Its sad when people get mad because others won't kill babies when medically advised to under the circumstance they could die.

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They probably should follow the doctors' advice if their life is at risk. That being said - you make it sound as if this is common or something. It really isn't. At least not in 1st world countries.

The doctors advice may be incompetent, the doctors advice may be competent but accurate, the mother for reasons secular or religious may be unable to reconcile herself to the idea of abortion.
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1/19/2010 7:27:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I don't know where these religious fanatics get off, I really don't.

On one hand they are telling women to risk their lives to bring handicapped babies into the world and then when they are born with severe complications they won't let the doctors intervene to save their lives because they believe medical procedures such as blood transfusions are sinful.
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1/19/2010 7:46:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/17/2010 6:45:30 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I have no problem with a commercial against abortion, but the problem is the ad uses the example of someone who went against medical advice to receive an abortion. It could give the impression what doctors say in a situation doesn't mean anything, which leads to medical complications and death.

It's the fact they're saying "Oh hey, don't listen to doctors who say you could die from giving birth!"

I think it's more of a problem in the sense that it'll inspire people to look "backwards". The "ignoring medical advice" part is a one-liner; it's the implied "no abortion -> this kind of person for a kid" causality that will cause a hell of a lot more issues.
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1/19/2010 10:53:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/19/2010 7:46:51 AM, Rezzealaux wrote:
At 1/17/2010 6:45:30 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I have no problem with a commercial against abortion, but the problem is the ad uses the example of someone who went against medical advice to receive an abortion. It could give the impression what doctors say in a situation doesn't mean anything, which leads to medical complications and death.

It's the fact they're saying "Oh hey, don't listen to doctors who say you could die from giving birth!"

I think it's more of a problem in the sense that it'll inspire people to look "backwards". The "ignoring medical advice" part is a one-liner; it's the implied "no abortion -> this kind of person for a kid" causality that will cause a hell of a lot more issues.

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1/23/2010 2:26:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 1:33:35 PM, comoncents wrote:
So is this going to happen or not?

probably, but they are allowed to put the ad up. I don't yell at beer ads claiming they are trying to turn everyone into alcoholics (though I personally know some people who do).
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1/23/2010 2:29:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/23/2010 2:26:55 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/23/2010 1:33:35 PM, comoncents wrote:
So is this going to happen or not?

probably, but they are allowed to put the ad up. I don't yell at beer ads claiming they are trying to turn everyone into alcoholics (though I personally know some people who do).

Yeah, i don't mind.