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11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31
When Reach fell, I came.
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11/30/2008 5:09:48 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31

Ravens and Panthers? Are you kidding me?

Jets VS Cowboys

Jets 21 - 42 Cowboys

NCAA BCS Championship

Oklahoma VS Florida

Oklahoma 38 - 34 Florida
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11/30/2008 5:57:20 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 11/30/2008 5:09:48 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31

Ravens and Panthers? Are you kidding me?

Jets VS Cowboys

Jets 21 - 42 Cowboys

NCAA BCS Championship

Oklahoma VS Florida

Oklahoma 38 - 34 Florida

Jets I can understand, but the Cowboys? The most inconsistent and overhyped team in the league. Also, neither of those teams are playoff tested; at least the Panthers have the core of their team from the '04 Super Bowl and '05 NFC Championship Game.
When Reach fell, I came.
manutdredseal46
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12/1/2008 2:24:09 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 11/30/2008 5:57:20 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:09:48 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31

Ravens and Panthers? Are you kidding me?

Jets VS Cowboys

Jets 21 - 42 Cowboys

NCAA BCS Championship

Oklahoma VS Florida

Oklahoma 38 - 34 Florida

Jets I can understand, but the Cowboys? The most inconsistent and overhyped team in the league. Also, neither of those teams are playoff tested; at least the Panthers have the core of their team from the '04 Super Bowl and '05 NFC Championship Game.

Look at Cowboys' last 3 games. Healthy Rome = Cowboy wins.
-ManUtdRedSeal46
theitalianstallion
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12/1/2008 5:50:36 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/1/2008 2:24:09 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:57:20 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:09:48 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31

Ravens and Panthers? Are you kidding me?

Jets VS Cowboys

Jets 21 - 42 Cowboys

NCAA BCS Championship

Oklahoma VS Florida

Oklahoma 38 - 34 Florida

Jets I can understand, but the Cowboys? The most inconsistent and overhyped team in the league. Also, neither of those teams are playoff tested; at least the Panthers have the core of their team from the '04 Super Bowl and '05 NFC Championship Game.

Look at Cowboys' last 3 games. Healthy Rome = Cowboy wins.

True. I'm just not sold on their chemistry and ability to win under pressure. Also, you must look at their last 3 opponents; how many with winning records? 1, the Washington Redskins, who, in my eyes, are on the decline.
When Reach fell, I came.
manutdredseal46
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12/1/2008 6:06:33 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/1/2008 5:50:36 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/1/2008 2:24:09 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:57:20 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:09:48 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31

Ravens and Panthers? Are you kidding me?

Jets VS Cowboys

Jets 21 - 42 Cowboys

NCAA BCS Championship

Oklahoma VS Florida

Oklahoma 38 - 34 Florida

Jets I can understand, but the Cowboys? The most inconsistent and overhyped team in the league. Also, neither of those teams are playoff tested; at least the Panthers have the core of their team from the '04 Super Bowl and '05 NFC Championship Game.

Look at Cowboys' last 3 games. Healthy Rome = Cowboy wins.

True. I'm just not sold on their chemistry and ability to win under pressure. Also, you must look at their last 3 opponents; how many with winning records? 1, the Washington Redskins, who, in my eyes, are on the decline.

They aren't necessarily. They have lost the ability to score points recently based on bad calls and stupid penalties. Jim Zorn will harp on that this week. The point is, though, that even if you are not sold on the Cowboys you must admit they legitimately CAN beat anyone.
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theitalianstallion
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12/1/2008 6:29:06 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/1/2008 6:06:33 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 12/1/2008 5:50:36 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/1/2008 2:24:09 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:57:20 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:09:48 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31

Ravens and Panthers? Are you kidding me?

Jets VS Cowboys

Jets 21 - 42 Cowboys

NCAA BCS Championship

Oklahoma VS Florida

Oklahoma 38 - 34 Florida

Jets I can understand, but the Cowboys? The most inconsistent and overhyped team in the league. Also, neither of those teams are playoff tested; at least the Panthers have the core of their team from the '04 Super Bowl and '05 NFC Championship Game.

Look at Cowboys' last 3 games. Healthy Rome = Cowboy wins.

True. I'm just not sold on their chemistry and ability to win under pressure. Also, you must look at their last 3 opponents; how many with winning records? 1, the Washington Redskins, who, in my eyes, are on the decline.

They aren't necessarily. They have lost the ability to score points recently based on bad calls and stupid penalties. Jim Zorn will harp on that this week. The point is, though, that even if you are not sold on the Cowboys you must admit they legitimately CAN beat anyone.

Haven't really watched the Redskins lately, only seen the highlights, so this is news to me. The Cowboys could beat most teams in the league bu t I can't see them beating The G-Men or the Titans.
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12/1/2008 6:45:28 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/1/2008 6:29:06 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/1/2008 6:06:33 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 12/1/2008 5:50:36 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/1/2008 2:24:09 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:57:20 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:09:48 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31

Ravens and Panthers? Are you kidding me?

Jets VS Cowboys

Jets 21 - 42 Cowboys

NCAA BCS Championship

Oklahoma VS Florida

Oklahoma 38 - 34 Florida

Jets I can understand, but the Cowboys? The most inconsistent and overhyped team in the league. Also, neither of those teams are playoff tested; at least the Panthers have the core of their team from the '04 Super Bowl and '05 NFC Championship Game.

Look at Cowboys' last 3 games. Healthy Rome = Cowboy wins.

True. I'm just not sold on their chemistry and ability to win under pressure. Also, you must look at their last 3 opponents; how many with winning records? 1, the Washington Redskins, who, in my eyes, are on the decline.

They aren't necessarily. They have lost the ability to score points recently based on bad calls and stupid penalties. Jim Zorn will harp on that this week. The point is, though, that even if you are not sold on the Cowboys you must admit they legitimately CAN beat anyone.

Haven't really watched the Redskins lately, only seen the highlights, so this is news to me. The Cowboys could beat most teams in the league bu t I can't see them beating The G-Men or the Titans.

Titans haven't played anyone. Giants are overrated.
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theitalianstallion
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12/2/2008 8:18:38 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/1/2008 6:45:28 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 12/1/2008 6:29:06 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/1/2008 6:06:33 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 12/1/2008 5:50:36 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/1/2008 2:24:09 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:57:20 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:09:48 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31

Ravens and Panthers? Are you kidding me?

Jets VS Cowboys

Jets 21 - 42 Cowboys

NCAA BCS Championship

Oklahoma VS Florida

Oklahoma 38 - 34 Florida

Jets I can understand, but the Cowboys? The most inconsistent and overhyped team in the league. Also, neither of those teams are playoff tested; at least the Panthers have the core of their team from the '04 Super Bowl and '05 NFC Championship Game.

Look at Cowboys' last 3 games. Healthy Rome = Cowboy wins.

True. I'm just not sold on their chemistry and ability to win under pressure. Also, you must look at their last 3 opponents; how many with winning records? 1, the Washington Redskins, who, in my eyes, are on the decline.

They aren't necessarily. They have lost the ability to score points recently based on bad calls and stupid penalties. Jim Zorn will harp on that this week. The point is, though, that even if you are not sold on the Cowboys you must admit they legitimately CAN beat anyone.

Haven't really watched the Redskins lately, only seen the highlights, so this is news to me. The Cowboys could beat most teams in the league bu t I can't see them beating The G-Men or the Titans.

Titans haven't played anyone. Giants are overrated.

That's exactly how I feel about the Cowboys.
When Reach fell, I came.
manutdredseal46
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12/2/2008 11:59:10 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/2/2008 8:18:38 AM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/1/2008 6:45:28 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 12/1/2008 6:29:06 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/1/2008 6:06:33 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 12/1/2008 5:50:36 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/1/2008 2:24:09 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:57:20 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 11/30/2008 5:09:48 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 11/30/2008 4:55:13 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
Name who you've got for the Super Bowl and NCAA BCS Title Game.

Super Bowl
Ravens VS Panthers
Ravens-17 Panthers-26
NCAA BCS Tilte Game
Oklahoma VS Florida
Oklahoma-42 Florida-31

Ravens and Panthers? Are you kidding me?

Jets VS Cowboys

Jets 21 - 42 Cowboys

NCAA BCS Championship

Oklahoma VS Florida

Oklahoma 38 - 34 Florida

Jets I can understand, but the Cowboys? The most inconsistent and overhyped team in the league. Also, neither of those teams are playoff tested; at least the Panthers have the core of their team from the '04 Super Bowl and '05 NFC Championship Game.

Look at Cowboys' last 3 games. Healthy Rome = Cowboy wins.

True. I'm just not sold on their chemistry and ability to win under pressure. Also, you must look at their last 3 opponents; how many with winning records? 1, the Washington Redskins, who, in my eyes, are on the decline.

They aren't necessarily. They have lost the ability to score points recently based on bad calls and stupid penalties. Jim Zorn will harp on that this week. The point is, though, that even if you are not sold on the Cowboys you must admit they legitimately CAN beat anyone.

Haven't really watched the Redskins lately, only seen the highlights, so this is news to me. The Cowboys could beat most teams in the league bu t I can't see them beating The G-Men or the Titans.

Titans haven't played anyone. Giants are overrated.

That's exactly how I feel about the Cowboys.

That's a decent point but even if their opponent aren't GREAT, they are GOOD (Cardinals, Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Bucs)
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12/2/2008 12:46:02 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
basically I think that the Giants will probably be in and the Titans... however, for (a little bit) of a long shot guess, I'm going to go w/ Steelers vs. Buccaneers. However, I'm pulling for the Dolphins!!!!!!! They are ALREADY 6 wins above last year! Panthers have a shot as well. Same w/ Jets and Colts.
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12/2/2008 1:01:55 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/2/2008 12:46:02 PM, Johnicle wrote:
basically I think that the Giants will probably be in and the Titans... however, for (a little bit) of a long shot guess, I'm going to go w/ Steelers vs. Buccaneers. However, I'm pulling for the Dolphins!!!!!!! They are ALREADY 6 wins above last year! Panthers have a shot as well. Same w/ Jets and Colts.

What about NCAA championship? Or do you not pay attention to college?
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12/3/2008 7:11:42 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
What about NCAA championship? Or do you not pay attention to college?

I really don't pay attention. Although I like the Longhorns. Maybe if there was a intelligent system with a playoff system I would watch. But there isn't so I don't care about it.
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12/4/2008 5:56:25 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/3/2008 7:11:42 PM, Johnicle wrote:
What about NCAA championship? Or do you not pay attention to college?

I really don't pay attention. Although I like the Longhorns. Maybe if there was a intelligent system with a playoff system I would watch. But there isn't so I don't care about it.

I understand, but I sort of like the controversey that it creates. Then again, it hasn't really affected me yet, being a cornhusker fan and all; the system did give Nebraska a shot at a national title when they really didn't deserve it in '01. But they got stomped so there was no controversey.
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12/4/2008 6:19:58 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/4/2008 5:56:25 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/3/2008 7:11:42 PM, Johnicle wrote:
What about NCAA championship? Or do you not pay attention to college?

I really don't pay attention. Although I like the Longhorns. Maybe if there was a intelligent system with a playoff system I would watch. But there isn't so I don't care about it.

I understand, but I sort of like the controversey that it creates. Then again, it hasn't really affected me yet, being a cornhusker fan and all; the system did give Nebraska a shot at a national title when they really didn't deserve it in '01. But they got stomped so there was no controversey.

I agree with both, there should be a 32 team playoff. Or 16. Personally I'd go for 32.
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12/5/2008 8:10:38 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/4/2008 6:19:58 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 12/4/2008 5:56:25 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/3/2008 7:11:42 PM, Johnicle wrote:
What about NCAA championship? Or do you not pay attention to college?

I really don't pay attention. Although I like the Longhorns. Maybe if there was a intelligent system with a playoff system I would watch. But there isn't so I don't care about it.

I understand, but I sort of like the controversey that it creates. Then again, it hasn't really affected me yet, being a cornhusker fan and all; the system did give Nebraska a shot at a national title when they really didn't deserve it in '01. But they got stomped so there was no controversey.

I agree with both, there should be a 32 team playoff. Or 16. Personally I'd go for 32.

A 32 team playoff would take forever. It would at an additional five weeks on to the schedule for the winning teams; Just to much for college. 16 would be okay, but if a playoff system was but into place, I'd like to see an 8 team playoff.
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12/5/2008 7:31:42 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I agree with you that it would be long, but I think that is necessary to find the BEST team around. What if the number 9 team is the best? What if it's an untested team like Boise State?
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12/8/2008 1:59:08 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/5/2008 7:31:42 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
I agree with you that it would be long, but I think that is necessary to find the BEST team around. What if the number 9 team is the best? What if it's an untested team like Boise State?

I see your point but I have a resolution. I think a 32 or 16 team playoff system would let far too many teams in and an 8 team playoff, like you say lets to few in.

The NCAA should try something like this.

1-10 get in but the last four teams play a "qualifying game," before the tournament begins. 7 v 10 and 8 v 9. Those teams are the ones on the bubble and should be given a chance to compete, like you say. This gives the entire top 10 a chance to compete, and I think that is where the line should be drawn.
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12/8/2008 2:25:56 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Giants vs. Titans

Giants-24 Titans-17

Alabama Oklahoma
Alabama-10 Oklahoma-27
A man comes to a fork in a road. . He ends up going left where he is ran over by a car. Another person comes to the same fork and decides to right. He also gets ran over by a car. A third person comes to the same fork. He decides that walking up a road in the dark is not smart and takes the grassy middle of the fork. He survives.

Moral: Don't be an extremist, neither side can be right all the time. Sometimes, you have to make your own path.
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12/8/2008 5:37:18 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/8/2008 1:59:08 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/5/2008 7:31:42 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
I agree with you that it would be long, but I think that is necessary to find the BEST team around. What if the number 9 team is the best? What if it's an untested team like Boise State?

I see your point but I have a resolution. I think a 32 or 16 team playoff system would let far too many teams in and an 8 team playoff, like you say lets to few in.

The NCAA should try something like this.

1-10 get in but the last four teams play a "qualifying game," before the tournament begins. 7 v 10 and 8 v 9. Those teams are the ones on the bubble and should be given a chance to compete, like you say. This gives the entire top 10 a chance to compete, and I think that is where the line should be drawn.

That's an acceptable view, more so than your last one. However I still don't think it accounts for everything. Going back to my example, Boise State is #9. They could just as easily be 11th. The current system has VERY CLOSE AND PRECISE measurements and calculations so why wouldn't they deserve it? I'm not saying I have a better bay but I think that if you somehow include the entire top 25 or at least 15 then it would be the best possible. That is why I think 16 is best. Easy number and not too many. Always welcome to disagree though ;)
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12/9/2008 2:57:59 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/8/2008 5:37:18 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
At 12/8/2008 1:59:08 PM, theitalianstallion wrote:
At 12/5/2008 7:31:42 PM, manutdredseal46 wrote:
I agree with you that it would be long, but I think that is necessary to find the BEST team around. What if the number 9 team is the best? What if it's an untested team like Boise State?

I see your point but I have a resolution. I think a 32 or 16 team playoff system would let far too many teams in and an 8 team playoff, like you say lets to few in.

The NCAA should try something like this.

1-10 get in but the last four teams play a "qualifying game," before the tournament begins. 7 v 10 and 8 v 9. Those teams are the ones on the bubble and should be given a chance to compete, like you say. This gives the entire top 10 a chance to compete, and I think that is where the line should be drawn.

That's an acceptable view, more so than your last one. However I still don't think it accounts for everything. Going back to my example, Boise State is #9. They could just as easily be 11th. The current system has VERY CLOSE AND PRECISE measurements and calculations so why wouldn't they deserve it? I'm not saying I have a better bay but I think that if you somehow include the entire top 25 or at least 15 then it would be the best possible. That is why I think 16 is best. Easy number and not too many. Always welcome to disagree though ;)

You are right on the "VERY CLOSE AND PRECISE" part, but letting in the entire top 25 wouldn't work for me; just look at the OU & MIZZOU BigIIV championship game. MIZZOU was ranked 20th and got obliterated; the 25th ranked team could not compete with a top 5 team. As for the 16 team playoff, I also think that is a little to much. I again site an OU game, the OSU game. Although not as in such dominant fashion, OU was able to beat OSU by 20 points, the No. 12 team in the country.
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12/9/2008 2:59:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Also, get the writer's vote out of the system; they're too "biased." Leave the computer and coaches' poll, nothing else, if the NCAA stays with this system.
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12/9/2008 7:06:39 PM
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Yes, but you can't tell me the opposite never happens. I don't have time to find out the specifics right now, nor do I have any evidence (sorry) but the opposite can easily happen. Again I go to Boise State. They would be one of your "bubble teams." Say they were 11th. They could be best in the country right now, nobody knows. Is it fair to discount them?
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12/10/2008 1:09:54 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Your right about the opposite happening but I think that is partially due to the writer's vote. They constantly overrate teams that clearly do not need to be a top ten team and leave out those that do. ex. Notre Dame (usually never deserving of their ranking but not lately) and Michigan State (always over shadowed by OSU and Mich.; MSU, not best example but best off the top of my head.)
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