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Danielle
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9/13/2010 11:08:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Red Skins?

So uh, do you think it's time they finally change their racist team name or wut?

(I personally think that's the worst compared to the Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, etc.)
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9/13/2010 11:11:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 11:08:26 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Red Skins?

So uh, do you think it's time they finally change their racist team name or wut?

(I personally think that's the worst compared to the Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, etc.)

There would be to much of an uproar. People have spent millions of dollars on merchandise that says "redskins" on it. Anyway, I don't think a lot of people even get offended by it now a days (with so few Indians left)
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9/13/2010 11:15:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 11:08:26 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Red Skins?

So uh, do you think it's time they finally change their racist team name or wut?

(I personally think that's the worst compared to the Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, etc.)

Only if we stop giving them tax exempt casinos, gas stations, free college, ridiculous amounts of aid money, and allowing them to destroy the Great Lakes with their fvcking gill nets.
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9/13/2010 12:23:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 11:15:00 AM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 9/13/2010 11:08:26 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Red Skins?

So uh, do you think it's time they finally change their racist team name or wut?

(I personally think that's the worst compared to the Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, etc.)

Only if we stop giving them tax exempt casinos, gas stations, free college, ridiculous amounts of aid money, and allowing them to destroy the Great Lakes with their fvcking gill nets.

Natives get special benefits here too. One of my aunts is married to a native guy so she can get cheap gas and fishing benefits among other things.
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9/13/2010 12:25:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 12:23:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/13/2010 11:15:00 AM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 9/13/2010 11:08:26 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Red Skins?

So uh, do you think it's time they finally change their racist team name or wut?

(I personally think that's the worst compared to the Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, etc.)

Only if we stop giving them tax exempt casinos, gas stations, free college, ridiculous amounts of aid money, and allowing them to destroy the Great Lakes with their fvcking gill nets.

Natives get special benefits here too. One of my aunts is married to a native guy so she can get cheap gas and fishing benefits among other things.

I'm gonna marry an Indian gal.
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9/13/2010 1:48:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 12:23:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/13/2010 11:15:00 AM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 9/13/2010 11:08:26 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Red Skins?

So uh, do you think it's time they finally change their racist team name or wut?

(I personally think that's the worst compared to the Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, etc.)

Only if we stop giving them tax exempt casinos, gas stations, free college, ridiculous amounts of aid money, and allowing them to destroy the Great Lakes with their fvcking gill nets.

Natives get special benefits here too. One of my aunts is married to a native guy so she can get cheap gas and fishing benefits among other things.

Wow, I'm glad my bf is half native. He said he gets college for free, and if he goes right after high school he gets paid like $9,000.

For OP, I don't think the name should get changed because of
1) the merchandise people already have
2) the way its been, no real reason to change
3) Nobody is really that offended. Except the mega counter effective PC groups.
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Danielle
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9/13/2010 2:55:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'll go ahead and be the black sheep. I definitely think the name should be changed. While it's true that "first amendment rights" give the team the ability to have any name they want, calling a Native American a Red Skin is among the most (if not the most) offensive thing you can call them. That's like having a football team called the Atlanta N*ggers. Just because there are so few natives doesn't mean that it's any less offensive or significant. If I started a team called the Texas Red Necks, I'm more than sure there would be people b!tching even if I had sold merchandise.
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9/13/2010 3:00:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 2:55:47 PM, theLwerd wrote:
I'll go ahead and be the black sheep. I definitely think the name should be changed. While it's true that "first amendment rights" give the team the ability to have any name they want, calling a Native American a Red Skin is among the most (if not the most) offensive thing you can call them. That's like having a football team called the Atlanta N*ggers. Just because there are so few natives doesn't mean that it's any less offensive or significant. If I started a team called the Texas Red Necks, I'm more than sure there would be people b!tching even if I had sold merchandise.

Hmm, catchy...
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9/13/2010 3:36:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 2:55:47 PM, theLwerd wrote:
I'll go ahead and be the black sheep. I definitely think the name should be changed. While it's true that "first amendment rights" give the team the ability to have any name they want, calling a Native American a Red Skin is among the most (if not the most) offensive thing you can call them. That's like having a football team called the Atlanta N*ggers. Just because there are so few natives doesn't mean that it's any less offensive or significant. If I started a team called the Texas Red Necks, I'm more than sure there would be people b!tching even if I had sold merchandise.

L, I went to school with almost ALL natives. Our mascot was the Warriors, rival team was the Savages. Nobody at all ever thought it was offensive, nor did they find an of they typical dress and make up offensive. I really don't think being PC on this issue is worth it.
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9/13/2010 3:38:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 12:25:33 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 9/13/2010 12:23:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/13/2010 11:15:00 AM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 9/13/2010 11:08:26 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Red Skins?

So uh, do you think it's time they finally change their racist team name or wut?

(I personally think that's the worst compared to the Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, etc.)

Only if we stop giving them tax exempt casinos, gas stations, free college, ridiculous amounts of aid money, and allowing them to destroy the Great Lakes with their fvcking gill nets.

Natives get special benefits here too. One of my aunts is married to a native guy so she can get cheap gas and fishing benefits among other things.

I'm gonna marry an Indian gal.

White people took their land... if we give them back all the land we stole they we stop accepting everything. LOL
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9/13/2010 3:47:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 11:08:26 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Red Skins?

So uh, do you think it's time they finally change their racist team name or wut?

(I personally think that's the worst compared to the Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, etc.)

How is it racist? Indigenous Americans, or "Red Skins", are the true Americans - "Americans" of European, African and Asian origin are either immigrants or descendants of immigrants!
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9/13/2010 4:09:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 3:47:49 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 9/13/2010 11:08:26 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Red Skins?

So uh, do you think it's time they finally change their racist team name or wut?

(I personally think that's the worst compared to the Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, etc.)

How is it racist? Indigenous Americans, or "Red Skins", are the true Americans - "Americans" of European, African and Asian origin are either immigrants or descendants of immigrants!

Uh, calling a Native American a red skin can be pretty offensive.
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9/13/2010 4:14:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I once read a story about it by SportsIllustrated... and I'm pretty sure a Great Majority of those "Indians" polled are either indifferent... or actually like the idea of warriorish football teams being named after them 8)

even regarding "the Redskins" I'm pretty sure a majority were Ok with it.
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9/14/2010 7:20:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 4:51:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At least if they change the name then the merchasdise with the current name, Red Skins would skyrocket in value.

... No it would seriously spiral downward in value lol.
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Danielle
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9/14/2010 7:24:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/13/2010 3:36:39 PM, lovelife wrote:
L, I went to school with almost ALL natives.

Lol, srsly?

Our mascot was the Warriors, rival team was the Savages. Nobody at all ever thought it was offensive, nor did they find an of they typical dress and make up offensive. I really don't think being PC on this issue is worth it.

A lot of times long lost descendants of Natives don't find this stuff offensive, or they try to Americanize themselves to the point where they don't care. That's fine. But just because the majority doesn't find it offensive doesn't mean it's not offensive, or that the minority should be excluded or ignored.

I'm personally not offended by the names, but I think they're really stupid. Why would a team call themselves the Savages? Just as it's easy to ignore the underlying racism (where these team names and concepts came from), it'd be just as easy to change their name.

But, meh.
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9/14/2010 10:20:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/14/2010 7:24:18 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/13/2010 3:36:39 PM, lovelife wrote:
L, I went to school with almost ALL natives.

Lol, srsly?


Yep Idabel. Everyone is related and everyone is at least half native. Well about 93% the rest are all or part black. (I'm about 3/4 native) As far as looking native, thats easily half the town.


Our mascot was the Warriors, rival team was the Savages. Nobody at all ever thought it was offensive, nor did they find an of they typical dress and make up offensive. I really don't think being PC on this issue is worth it.

A lot of times long lost descendants of Natives don't find this stuff offensive, or they try to Americanize themselves to the point where they don't care. That's fine. But just because the majority doesn't find it offensive doesn't mean it's not offensive, or that the minority should be excluded or ignored.


I don't think I've heard anyone anywhere find it offensive. Except mega PC people who aren't even the ones that it would hurt. <even my mega PC mom doesn't think its that bad>

I'm personally not offended by the names, but I think they're really stupid. Why would a team call themselves the Savages? Just as it's easy to ignore the underlying racism (where these team names and concepts came from), it'd be just as easy to change their name.


Of course their stupid, and I agree with that. I do belive that it would be harder to change the name simply because thats the name everyone knows them by. If they change the Savages to the Eagles or whatever, someone is bound to say "go Savages" at some point, and they will then be shunned.
Then again I find all team names pretty stupid, as well as most sports <well the importance people give sports. I actually think that if people didn't go so far as to cheat, or put it above other things or worth millions of dollars, it would be great. But the way its set up now, its just ridiculous. Personal opinions tho>
I find "eagles" "Savages" "Bears" all that to be pretty stupid.

But, meh.
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