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9/26/2015 7:49:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Ah, the age old generic sports question of Messi or Ronaldo. Anyways Ronaldo has played a few years more, so he has accumulated greater stats to this point. While both have performed well at the club level, it is a much different story at the national team level. Neither has won a world cup and Ronaldo hasn't even win a Euro Cup. They can accumulate all the club stats they want, but whoever wins a world cup first will go down as the better one.

Right now I'd say Ronaldo is better, just becuase he's playing at such a prolific level and recently scored 5 goals in one match. He's the definite star for Real and is only one goal shy of reaching 500 career goals. Both are once in a lifetime players though and we should all be grateful to see such rare talent.
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9/29/2015 7:52:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/26/2015 7:49:33 AM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Ah, the age old generic sports question of Messi or Ronaldo.

There's also Maradona vs Pele... And ultimately Maradona > Pele

Anyways Ronaldo has played a few years more, so he has accumulated greater stats to this point. While both have performed well at the club level, it is a much different story at the national team level.

This is indubitably true, while I'd also argue that Ronaldo hasn't been surrounded by the same talent with which Messi has been graced.

Neither has won a world cup and Ronaldo hasn't even win a Euro Cup. They can accumulate all the club stats they want, but whoever wins a world cup first will go down as the better one.

I feel this is quite unfair, particularly because Argentina is frequently *better* than Portugal. Regardless, cup stats are heavily reliant on team play as well, whereas individuals are better determinants for who is *better.*

Right now I'd say Ronaldo is better, just becuase he's playing at such a prolific level and recently scored 5 goals in one match. He's the definite star for Real and is only one goal shy of reaching 500 career goals. Both are once in a lifetime players though and we should all be grateful to see such rare talent.

Indeed, I think you sum this up spot-on. Essentially, Ronaldo has more experience and still performs at an exceptional level, but Messi could eventually surpass him. As for now, the King is still the king. :)
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10/4/2015 5:37:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/4/2015 2:25:24 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Messi, cuz Ronaldo is a douchebag

How so? Ronaldo is one of the classiest soccer players there is. He also does a ton of work for charity. Please provide evidence that shows he's a "douchebag".
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10/4/2015 3:05:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/4/2015 5:37:02 AM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 10/4/2015 2:25:24 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Messi, cuz Ronaldo is a douchebag

How so? Ronaldo is one of the classiest soccer players there is. He also does a ton of work for charity. Please provide evidence that shows he's a "douchebag".

Remember all the flops he does? He also sucks up airtime like a I eat Oreos. When I watch him play, I see that he does things just so that the camera will swing on him. I mean he's a great player, but he just seems more arrogant than messi.
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10/9/2015 10:25:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?
Messi. He is more creative, a *much* better performer for the team as a whole, does things very few others can even imagine in order to create chances for others and himself - hands down to him.
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10/11/2015 1:01:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/4/2015 3:23:08 PM, Balacafa wrote:
They are both overrated. Arjen Robben is actually the best legit football player.

... and diver!
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10/11/2015 1:14:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Is anyone taking into consideration that Tim Howard, 'o Holy One, was the best soccer player to every step foot upon this Earth?
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10/11/2015 1:17:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/11/2015 1:14:52 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Is anyone taking into consideration that Tim Howard, 'o Holy One, was the best soccer player to every step foot upon this Earth?

lol - I assume that, that was a joke.
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10/11/2015 1:18:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/11/2015 1:17:08 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:14:52 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Is anyone taking into consideration that Tim Howard, 'o Holy One, was the best soccer player to every step foot upon this Earth?

lol - I assume that, that was a joke.

Not in the least. XD
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10/11/2015 1:19:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/11/2015 1:18:11 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:17:08 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:14:52 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Is anyone taking into consideration that Tim Howard, 'o Holy One, was the best soccer player to every step foot upon this Earth?

lol - I assume that, that was a joke.

Not in the least. XD

Tim Howard of all the people?
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10/11/2015 1:20:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/11/2015 1:19:26 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:18:11 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:17:08 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:14:52 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Is anyone taking into consideration that Tim Howard, 'o Holy One, was the best soccer player to every step foot upon this Earth?

lol - I assume that, that was a joke.

Not in the least. XD

Tim Howard of all the people?

I just have a special place in my heart for him. He has played for the U.S. throughout all of our years of disheartening failure. I would consider him the best player on the team. But, I must concede that he is not THE best.
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10/11/2015 1:22:27 PM
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I just have a special place in my heart for him. He has played for the U.S. throughout all of our years of disheartening failure. I would consider him the best player on the team. But, I must concede that he is not THE best.

I guess that makes sense. I come from the UK so I probably have a different opinion of him than most people on this site.
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10/11/2015 1:23:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/11/2015 1:22:27 PM, famousdebater wrote:
I just have a special place in my heart for him. He has played for the U.S. throughout all of our years of disheartening failure. I would consider him the best player on the team. But, I must concede that he is not THE best.

I guess that makes sense. I come from the UK so I probably have a different opinion of him than most people on this site.

I just wish that the American National Team had more talent sourced from European clubs. Your soccer teams are far superior to ours.
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10/11/2015 1:24:47 PM
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I just wish that the American National Team had more talent sourced from European clubs. Your soccer teams are far superior to ours.

The American Nation Team is better than European clubs in a lot of other sports though.
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10/11/2015 1:26:23 PM
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At 10/11/2015 1:24:47 PM, famousdebater wrote:
I just wish that the American National Team had more talent sourced from European clubs. Your soccer teams are far superior to ours.

The American Nation Team is better than European clubs in a lot of other sports though.

Soccer is probably the most popular one on a world stage.
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10/11/2015 1:27:10 PM
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At 10/11/2015 1:26:23 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:24:47 PM, famousdebater wrote:
I just wish that the American National Team had more talent sourced from European clubs. Your soccer teams are far superior to ours.

The American Nation Team is better than European clubs in a lot of other sports though.

Soccer is probably the most popular one on a world stage.

It is pretty big in Europe. I don't know how big it is for you though.
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10/11/2015 1:32:17 PM
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At 10/11/2015 1:27:10 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:26:23 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:24:47 PM, famousdebater wrote:
I just wish that the American National Team had more talent sourced from European clubs. Your soccer teams are far superior to ours.

The American Nation Team is better than European clubs in a lot of other sports though.

Soccer is probably the most popular one on a world stage.

It is pretty big in Europe. I don't know how big it is for you though.

Virtually non-existent. xD
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10/11/2015 1:49:02 PM
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At 10/11/2015 1:32:17 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:27:10 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:26:23 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:24:47 PM, famousdebater wrote:
I just wish that the American National Team had more talent sourced from European clubs. Your soccer teams are far superior to ours.

The American Nation Team is better than European clubs in a lot of other sports though.

Soccer is probably the most popular one on a world stage.

It is pretty big in Europe. I don't know how big it is for you though.

Virtually non-existent. xD

yep
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10/11/2015 1:49:16 PM
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At 10/11/2015 1:32:17 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:27:10 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:26:23 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:24:47 PM, famousdebater wrote:
I just wish that the American National Team had more talent sourced from European clubs. Your soccer teams are far superior to ours.

The American Nation Team is better than European clubs in a lot of other sports though.

Soccer is probably the most popular one on a world stage.

It is pretty big in Europe. I don't know how big it is for you though.

Virtually non-existent. xD

yep ....
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10/11/2015 2:21:19 PM
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At 10/11/2015 1:49:16 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:32:17 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:27:10 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:26:23 PM, TheProphett wrote:
At 10/11/2015 1:24:47 PM, famousdebater wrote:
I just wish that the American National Team had more talent sourced from European clubs. Your soccer teams are far superior to ours.

The American Nation Team is better than European clubs in a lot of other sports though.

Soccer is probably the most popular one on a world stage.

It is pretty big in Europe. I don't know how big it is for you though.

Virtually non-existent. xD

yep ....

It's growing in popularity here though. As the USMNT gets better, the fan following gets better. Yesterday, 94,000 people attended the USA Mexico match (Albeit 70% were Mexico fans). This also will help with the growth of MLS.
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12/9/2015 7:40:32 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 10/4/2015 3:05:58 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 10/4/2015 5:37:02 AM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 10/4/2015 2:25:24 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Messi, cuz Ronaldo is a douchebag

How so? Ronaldo is one of the classiest soccer players there is. He also does a ton of work for charity. Please provide evidence that shows he's a "douchebag".

Remember all the flops he does? He also sucks up airtime like a I eat Oreos. When I watch him play, I see that he does things just so that the camera will swing on him. I mean he's a great player, but he just seems more arrogant than messi.

Flopping does not making a soccer player a "douchebag". Every soccer player flops in some way, in order to give their team some kind of advantage, whether that may determine the game or not. If Ronaldo is a douchebag because of a little bit of unsportsmanlike stuff he does, then almost every player in professional soccer is a douchebag, as most of them don't even do any charity work.
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1/9/2016 12:11:44 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 9/25/2015 10:34:33 PM, beng100 wrote:
Who is better?

Messi. Better technically, more of a team player. Is the polar opposite of a diver.
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1/15/2016 8:12:49 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
You start by looking at how you define what makes you a better soccer player. Is it who scores the most goals? Is it who makes the most dribbles? No, it should be the one who has the most influence on the game. For instance, how would a non-striker win the ballon d'or (World player of the year)? Well, you would have to look at who is the most influential on the game and that is just Messi by miles. Ronaldo is a fantastic football player, but Messi just exceeds him by far, since Messi can decide games even when he's playing "bad". Ronaldo has evolved into a goalscorer, while Messi is a creator and a goalscorer. If you look at statistics, for example most chances created or succesful dribbles etc., Messi destroys Ronaldo. Even when Messi is not touching the ball, he influences the game substantially because of defenders focussing on marking him, which would give other players more space.
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2/7/2016 3:25:34 PM
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