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2/17/2011 10:43:07 PM
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Ok, so I'm probably getting a new phone tomorrow. Any suggestions as to what to get? I'm not particularly tech-savvy, but I was considering an iPhone due to the good reviews.
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2/17/2011 10:52:04 PM
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Depends on your service provider.
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2/17/2011 10:52:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/17/2011 10:43:07 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Ok, so I'm probably getting a new phone tomorrow. Any suggestions as to what to get? I'm not particularly tech-savvy, but I was considering an iPhone due to the good reviews.

You can't really go wrong with an iphone, just make sure you (or your parents) are gonna fork out the 30 bucks a month it costs for internet on it.
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2/17/2011 10:55:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It is fairly intriguing that you make this thread not long after I thought about making the nearly exact same one, just with a few more details.

So, I want a new phone and I thought about Sony Ericsson Xperia 8. It is very elegant in white, has 3G, Wi-Fi, A-GPS, and is very speedy both hen browsing the web and the applications. That is what the reviews have said. That being said, it costs $236 where I live, without a subscription plan. I plan on buying it soon, and I recommend it. Not many people have it, I think, and although it is not a competing model to e.g., the iPhone, it is a very good overall phone, and the best for its price range if you ask me.

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2/17/2011 11:04:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/17/2011 10:52:10 PM, Alex wrote:
At 2/17/2011 10:43:07 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Ok, so I'm probably getting a new phone tomorrow. Any suggestions as to what to get? I'm not particularly tech-savvy, but I was considering an iPhone due to the good reviews.

You can't really go wrong with an iphone, just make sure you (or your parents) are gonna fork out the 30 bucks a month it costs for internet on it.

Hmm...I wasn't aware of that extra charge, but I'll be asking all the exact details tomorrow.
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2/17/2011 11:06:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/17/2011 10:52:04 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
Depends on your service provider.

I'm either getting Telus again or switching to Koodo, two companies which I have heard mixed reviews on.
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2/17/2011 11:15:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/17/2011 11:06:55 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/17/2011 10:52:04 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
Depends on your service provider.

I'm either getting Telus again or switching to Koodo, two companies which I have heard mixed reviews on.

..yeah I can't help. Never heard of either, actually. If the iphone is available on whatever provider you get, then I'd probably go for it. Just be sure you get the data plan. What makes the iphone great from my experience is all of the miscellaneous stuff like games, and other apps.
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2/17/2011 11:17:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/17/2011 11:15:32 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
At 2/17/2011 11:06:55 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/17/2011 10:52:04 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
Depends on your service provider.

I'm either getting Telus again or switching to Koodo, two companies which I have heard mixed reviews on.

..yeah I can't help. Never heard of either, actually. If the iphone is available on whatever provider you get, then I'd probably go for it. Just be sure you get the data plan. What makes the iphone great from my experience is all of the miscellaneous stuff like games, and other apps.

They're both Canadian companies. I wish there were more Canadians here who could help. :/
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2/17/2011 11:19:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/17/2011 11:06:55 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/17/2011 10:52:04 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
Depends on your service provider.

I'm either getting Telus again or switching to Koodo, two companies which I have heard mixed reviews on.

Telus SUCKS. Koodo is probably better but I haven't heard much about it. Just go with the Koodo.
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2/19/2011 6:37:42 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
LOL, a few months ago you can't afford clothes and now you're buying a new phone?
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2/19/2011 4:29:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/19/2011 6:37:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
LOL, a few months ago you can't afford clothes and now you're buying a new phone?
A few months ago she wasn't in love with a Jew...
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2/19/2011 4:33:29 PM
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At 2/19/2011 6:37:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
LOL, a few months ago you can't afford clothes and now you're buying a new phone?

That's because I wasn't getting government support then.
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2/19/2011 6:37:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/19/2011 4:33:29 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/19/2011 6:37:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
LOL, a few months ago you can't afford clothes and now you're buying a new phone?

That's because I wasn't getting government support then.

And a Libertarian deems it necessary to utilize gov't funds on a phone? Hypocrite.
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2/19/2011 6:40:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/19/2011 6:37:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
And a Libertarian deems it necessary to utilize gov't funds on a phone? Hypocrite.
1. It might be necessary. You do not know for sure.*
2. The money she gets can be returned by tax money in the future. It is all fair.

*But, I agree it is not very necessary to have a brand new smart phone.
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2/19/2011 6:56:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/19/2011 6:40:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 2/19/2011 6:37:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
And a Libertarian deems it necessary to utilize gov't funds on a phone? Hypocrite.
1. It might be necessary. You do not know for sure.*

*But, I agree it is not very necessary to have a brand new smart phone.

This.

2. The money she gets can be returned by tax money in the future. It is all fair.


Lol, that's presuming she will work. That's funny.
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2/19/2011 6:57:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/19/2011 6:37:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 2/19/2011 4:33:29 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/19/2011 6:37:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
LOL, a few months ago you can't afford clothes and now you're buying a new phone?

That's because I wasn't getting government support then.

And a Libertarian deems it necessary to utilize gov't funds on a phone? Hypocrite.

It's either get welfare funds or live on the streets. I hate myself for living off welfare and I do feel like a hypocrite for doing so, but I really don't have a choice at this point. I have personal reasons for needing a phone now though. My entire family is demanding I get one due some sh*t that happened.
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2/19/2011 7:00:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/19/2011 6:57:27 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/19/2011 6:37:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 2/19/2011 4:33:29 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/19/2011 6:37:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
LOL, a few months ago you can't afford clothes and now you're buying a new phone?

That's because I wasn't getting government support then.

And a Libertarian deems it necessary to utilize gov't funds on a phone? Hypocrite.

It's either get welfare funds or live on the streets. I hate myself for living off welfare and I do feel like a hypocrite for doing so, but I really don't have a choice at this point.

Then use it for the bare minimum and send the rest back to the gov't.

I have personal reasons for needing a phone now though. My entire family is demanding I get one due some sh*t that happened.

Then get a cheap *ss one with basic functions, not a f*cking iPhone.
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2/19/2011 7:02:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/19/2011 7:00:22 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

Then use it for the bare minimum and send the rest back to the gov't.

lol, I don't even receive enough to live as it is. Also, please stay out of my thread if you have nothing nice to say. I have enough other BS I'm trying to deal with.
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2/19/2011 7:07:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Get a Droid. Those are the best.
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2/19/2011 7:09:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/19/2011 7:02:48 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/19/2011 7:00:22 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

Then use it for the bare minimum and send the rest back to the gov't.

lol, I don't even receive enough to live as it is. Also, please stay out of my thread if you have nothing nice to say. I have enough other BS I'm trying to deal with.

No. I'm pointing out the fact a Libertarian is living off the government. I'm making an argument. And yes, being proven wrong isn't nice.
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2/19/2011 7:10:55 PM
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At 2/19/2011 7:09:13 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 2/19/2011 7:02:48 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/19/2011 7:00:22 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

Then use it for the bare minimum and send the rest back to the gov't.

lol, I don't even receive enough to live as it is. Also, please stay out of my thread if you have nothing nice to say. I have enough other BS I'm trying to deal with.

No. I'm pointing out the fact a Libertarian is living off the government. I'm making an argument. And yes, being proven wrong isn't nice.

I just told you, I don't live off the government by choice. I do so due to uncontrollable circumstances. All the charity here is christian charity and I won't have anything to do with them trying to convert me so I can receive charity.
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2/19/2011 7:12:24 PM
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At 2/19/2011 7:10:55 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/19/2011 7:09:13 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 2/19/2011 7:02:48 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/19/2011 7:00:22 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

Then use it for the bare minimum and send the rest back to the gov't.

lol, I don't even receive enough to live as it is. Also, please stay out of my thread if you have nothing nice to say. I have enough other BS I'm trying to deal with.

No. I'm pointing out the fact a Libertarian is living off the government. I'm making an argument. And yes, being proven wrong isn't nice.

I just told you, I don't live off the government by choice. I do so due to uncontrollable circumstances. All the charity here is christian charity and I won't have anything to do with them trying to convert me so I can receive charity.

You haven't tried everything. Me and other users have suggested prostitution and you have rejected that outright. To reject that and choose welfare over it is pure hypocrisy.
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2/19/2011 7:18:41 PM
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At 2/19/2011 7:12:24 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You haven't tried everything. Me and other users have suggested prostitution and you have rejected that outright.
No!

To reject that and choose welfare over it is pure hypocrisy.
No it's not. She has been a socialist longer than she has been a libertarian. Moreover, she is young, has a little perspective on politics due to her social circumstances and age, and whatever views she has are clearly temporary. She might be against welfare, but that might be due to the way welfare is reflected right now. I am also against that. She is against the fact that people use welfare due to laziness, not necessity. That is why she loathes it. But, she has never disputed welfare due to necessity, nor other moral issues due to necessity. That makes her anything but a hypocrite.

Moreover, prostitution is not a solution, and I don't know how sane people go as far as recommending it to someone, especially when the person in question is so young. She is not looking for her mind to be wrecked, but shelter and money (job) so that she can afford to live a normal life, i.e., with family and kids, and not something like prostitution which will just help making her feel miserable and lost. And, if prostitution was extremely necessary for survival, it would be a different thing, but she has far more opportunities to live a far happier and safer life than to merely e a prostitute, even if it is temporary. She can get a job in a kindergarten, school, nursery, or whatever does not take long regarding education, but still pays off both financially and socially.
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2/19/2011 7:21:16 PM
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At 2/19/2011 7:12:24 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You haven't tried everything. Me and other users have suggested prostitution and you have rejected that outright. To reject that and choose welfare over it is pure hypocrisy.

Would you grow up?
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2/19/2011 7:25:13 PM
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At 2/19/2011 7:18:41 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 2/19/2011 7:12:24 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You haven't tried everything. Me and other users have suggested prostitution and you have rejected that outright.
No!

YES!

I love shouting games!


To reject that and choose welfare over it is pure hypocrisy.
No it's not. She has been a socialist longer than she has been a libertarian. Moreover, she is young, has a little perspective on politics due to her social circumstances and age, and whatever views she has are clearly temporary.

Lol, she believes in Libertarianism thus this is hypocritical. Even if it is some fad she presently believes it, so accepting welfare is presently hypocritical.

She might be against welfare, but that might be due to the way welfare is reflected right now. I am also against that. She is against the fact that people use welfare due to laziness, not necessity. That is why she loathes it. But, she has never disputed welfare due to necessity, nor other moral issues due to necessity. That makes her anything but a hypocrite.

She said she hates accepting welfare. That's indication enough that she hates it regardless of ones circumstances.


Moreover, prostitution is not a solution, and I don't know how sane people go as far as recommending it to someone, especially when the person in question is so young. She is not looking for her mind to be wrecked, but shelter and money (job) so that she can afford to live a normal life, i.e., with family and kids, and not something like prostitution which will just help making her feel miserable and lost.

Prostitution is a job. It puts bread on the table, and you'll find that many prostitutes live normal lives.

And, if prostitution was extremely necessary for survival, it would be a different thing, but she has far more opportunities to live a far happier and safer life than to merely e a prostitute, even if it is temporary. She can get a job in a kindergarten, school, nursery, or whatever does not take long regarding education, but still pays off both financially and socially.

She cannot currently get those jobs, as we can see from the fact she is on welfare. To become a prostitute temporarily while looking for other jobs would be ideal. I'm not suggesting she become one permanently unless she really wants it.
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2/19/2011 7:26:05 PM
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At 2/19/2011 7:21:16 PM, juvanya wrote:
At 2/19/2011 7:12:24 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
You haven't tried everything. Me and other users have suggested prostitution and you have rejected that outright. To reject that and choose welfare over it is pure hypocrisy.

Would you grow up?

Would you stop being a white knight and realize I'm making a valid argument? No amount of emotion or belittling will refute it.
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2/19/2011 7:32:15 PM
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At 2/19/2011 7:25:13 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
YES!

I love shouting games!
I was not shouting. It is strict language expression.

Lol, she believes in Libertarianism thus this is hypocritical.
Yes, but in which cases? Maybe in a general notion. I am also against welfare, because it is being abused. However, I am not against welfare that is not abused (i.e., help by necessity). It can be in the form of charity and spare government money. She knows that she needs the money, hence she is not being hypocritical.

Even if it is some fad she presently believes it, so accepting welfare is presently hypocritical.
No, unless she accepts it without necessity.

She said she hates accepting welfare. That's indication enough that she hates it regardless of ones circumstances.
Her emotions are not based on logic right now. She might feel hypocritical, but is not necessarily so.

Prostitution is a job. It puts bread on the table, and you'll find that many prostitutes live normal lives.
Sure - but it is not for her. I know it very well, you do not (for certain reasons). Also, it doesn't matter how many live "normal" lives - her life is not welcoming regrets.

She cannot currently get those jobs, as we can see from the fact she is on welfare.
It takes longer to accept the role of a prostitute than to strive to get a job. Point negated.

To become a prostitute temporarily while looking for other jobs would be ideal. I'm not suggesting she become one permanently unless she really wants it.
She has other better and safer choices. Prostitution will not help in the long term. Welcoming regret of having adulterated and maybe ruined a relationship between two people might be a heavier burden on her than anything else right now. Helping make kids happy in a kindergarten or something like that is mentally safer, and also physically - plus she can live totally normal periods of life without worrying about how someone would accept her as a prostitute.

This thread is not about prostitution. Have your view if you wish, but prostitution is not a solution. Sure, in total - i.e., 100% urgent - situation it might be, but now, it is not.
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2/19/2011 7:45:55 PM
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At 2/19/2011 7:32:15 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 2/19/2011 7:25:13 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
YES!

I love shouting games!
I was not shouting. It is strict language expression.

It would translate into shouting.


Lol, she believes in Libertarianism thus this is hypocritical.
Yes, but in which cases? Maybe in a general notion. I am also against welfare, because it is being abused. However, I am not against welfare that is not abused (i.e., help by necessity). It can be in the form of charity and spare government money. She knows that she needs the money, hence she is not being hypocritical.

Government money is stolen and welfare is generally seen as a counter-productive and undesirable policy by libertarians. Don't bend the facts. She doesn't believe in welfare, she receives welfare, hence, she is a hypocrite.


Even if it is some fad she presently believes it, so accepting welfare is presently hypocritical.
No, unless she accepts it without necessity.

She could live on the streets or become a prostitute. It isn't exactly a necessity.


She said she hates accepting welfare. That's indication enough that she hates it regardless of ones circumstances.
Her emotions are not based on logic right now. She might feel hypocritical, but is not necessarily so.

She became a libertarian before this happened. It's hypocritical.



Prostitution is a job. It puts bread on the table, and you'll find that many prostitutes live normal lives.
Sure - but it is not for her. I know it very well, you do not (for certain reasons). Also, it doesn't matter how many live "normal" lives - her life is not welcoming regrets.

Why should she be an exception? She could function as a prostitute and lead a normal life quite easily if she tried.


She cannot currently get those jobs, as we can see from the fact she is on welfare.
It takes longer to accept the role of a prostitute than to strive to get a job. Point negated.

No, it doesn't. She has been extremely futile in her quest for jobs, however, she has not yet tried to become a prostitute, although websites exists to facilitate her needs in this regard. And evidence the role of a prostitute takes longer to accept?

Point most definitely not negated.


To become a prostitute temporarily while looking for other jobs would be ideal. I'm not suggesting she become one permanently unless she really wants it.
She has other better and safer choices. Prostitution will not help in the long term. Welcoming regret of having adulterated and maybe ruined a relationship between two people might be a heavier burden on her than anything else right now. Helping make kids happy in a kindergarten or something like that is mentally safer, and also physically - plus she can live totally normal periods of life without worrying about how someone would accept her as a prostitute.

However, she cannot get those jobs. This is the crux of the argument. You make it out that she can get other jobs, but she can't. She is currently limited to welfare or prostitution, and I'm showing the latter is far less hypocritical, and more productive.


This thread is not about prostitution. Have your view if you wish, but prostitution is not a solution. Sure, in total - i.e., 100% urgent - situation it might be, but now, it is not.

The situation is urgent. She is unemployable by all accounts and does not wish to continue of government welfare.
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