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5/21/2011 10:49:34 AM
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Is anyone here familiar with Arduino programming for I am trying to make an miniature Zeppelin that is controlled by one.
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5/21/2011 7:59:32 PM
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At 5/21/2011 10:49:34 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
Is anyone here familiar with Arduino programming for I am trying to make an miniature Zeppelin that is controlled by one.

I'd never heard of it before you just mentioned it, but it took me about 10 seconds to find this: http://www.arduino.cc...

Every programming language I ever learnt was by breaking down other peoples code and working out how it worked. There is also this:
http://www.arduino.cc...

It looks really interesting actually. I'm bookmarking it.
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5/21/2011 10:27:28 PM
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when you say a miniature Zeppelin do you mean to have the arduino on-board or as a custom remote control kind of thing?

I did a lot of this stuff over the past couple of months... basically everything you need to know about the environment you can find on their website which tv linked.

What i found to be the most useful though is their Arduino language reference http://arduino.cc...

of course if you wanna be hardcore and not have to deal with their shitty abstraction you can just program it using standard C in Eclipse http://www.wikihow.com...
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5/22/2011 1:07:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/21/2011 7:59:32 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 5/21/2011 10:49:34 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
Is anyone here familiar with Arduino programming for I am trying to make an miniature Zeppelin that is controlled by one.

I'd never heard of it before you just mentioned it, but it took me about 10 seconds to find this: http://www.arduino.cc...

Every programming language I ever learnt was by breaking down other peoples code and working out how it worked. There is also this:
http://www.arduino.cc...

It looks really interesting actually. I'm bookmarking it.

Thanks.
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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5/22/2011 1:11:34 PM
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At 5/21/2011 10:27:28 PM, MikeLoviN wrote:
when you say a miniature Zeppelin do you mean to have the arduino on-board or as a custom remote control kind of thing?

I did a lot of this stuff over the past couple of months... basically everything you need to know about the environment you can find on their website which tv linked.

What i found to be the most useful though is their Arduino language reference http://arduino.cc...

of course if you wanna be hardcore and not have to deal with their shitty abstraction you can just program it using standard C in Eclipse http://www.wikihow.com...

Thanks.

I wanted to have the Arduino run in an sort of bug-bot fashion so it could detect light to recharge the on-board batteries as well as avoid obstacles using basic sensors, but I wish to be able to override this basic protocol system to control it remotely via my palm and laptop.
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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5/22/2011 2:38:19 PM
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5/22/2011 9:23:24 PM
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At 5/22/2011 2:38:19 PM, mongoose wrote:
http://www.serebii.net...

May I please ask for an elaboration upon the subject of this site?
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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5/22/2011 9:56:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/22/2011 1:11:34 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 5/21/2011 10:27:28 PM, MikeLoviN wrote:
when you say a miniature Zeppelin do you mean to have the arduino on-board or as a custom remote control kind of thing?

I did a lot of this stuff over the past couple of months... basically everything you need to know about the environment you can find on their website which tv linked.

What i found to be the most useful though is their Arduino language reference http://arduino.cc...

of course if you wanna be hardcore and not have to deal with their shitty abstraction you can just program it using standard C in Eclipse http://www.wikihow.com...

Thanks.

I wanted to have the Arduino run in an sort of bug-bot fashion so it could detect light to recharge the on-board batteries

so presumably the arduino is going to be on-board as well? Another thing to consider is that the Arduino requires power itself meaning you have 3 options:

1) you use your on-board batteries to also power the Arduino (requires at least 5 V for most models)
- this would diminish the available current remaining for other actuators (like the motor I'm assuming you'd be using for propulsion). This can be mitigated to some extent by not splitting your source and having all sensors/actuators driven by the Arduino.
- this also defeats your intended purpose of having the batteries re-charged via the Arduino.

If you decide to go this route then I'd look into getting a motor shield to make life easier. This is the one I used http://www.ladyada.net...

2) you use a separate battery bank for the Arduino
- this will likely significantly increase the weight, meaning you'd need a much bigger Zeppelin / bigger motor which would further increase the weight :P
- most Arduino's that I know of can't handle more than 12V and considering that the board itself would be consuming power, re-routing that power to re-charge your other batteries would be extremely inefficient and ineffective

3) keep the Arduino tethered to a permanent power source
- but then you're pretty much left with a Zeppelin-like kite and you're also limited by the length of the tether. The Arduino that I used (the Uno) came with a shitty 3-foot long 9V power adapter. The USB connection alone only provides 5V.

Personally I'd advise against any attempt at re-charging batteries mid-flight. Just get a nice 12V lithium-ion or NiCd battery if you can and go with option 1.

As for the light sensing.. do you want to be able to distinguish b/w colours or just to detect light intensity? If you want colours then I'd go with a light-to-frequency converter http://www.parallax.com... otherwise, a photodarlington works well http://content.honeywell.com...

as well as avoid obstacles using basic sensors, but I wish to be able to override this basic protocol system to control it remotely via my palm and laptop.

That would require some sort of wireless connection that I'm not sure Arduino can handle... this would be a good place to start http://www.arduino.cc... Unless, like I mentioned before, you keep it tethered. I've seen it done that way before just using the USB connection and having the real-time processing done on a laptop. But if you could figure it out with wireless that would be pretty sweet.
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5/22/2011 10:12:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/22/2011 9:56:04 PM, MikeLoviN wrote:
At 5/22/2011 1:11:34 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 5/21/2011 10:27:28 PM, MikeLoviN wrote:
when you say a miniature Zeppelin do you mean to have the arduino on-board or as a custom remote control kind of thing?

I did a lot of this stuff over the past couple of months... basically everything you need to know about the environment you can find on their website which tv linked.

What i found to be the most useful though is their Arduino language reference http://arduino.cc...

of course if you wanna be hardcore and not have to deal with their shitty abstraction you can just program it using standard C in Eclipse http://www.wikihow.com...

Thanks.

I wanted to have the Arduino run in an sort of bug-bot fashion so it could detect light to recharge the on-board batteries

so presumably the arduino is going to be on-board as well? Another thing to consider is that the Arduino requires power itself meaning you have 3 options:

1) you use your on-board batteries to also power the Arduino (requires at least 5 V for most models)
- this would diminish the available current remaining for other actuators (like the motor I'm assuming you'd be using for propulsion). This can be mitigated to some extent by not splitting your source and having all sensors/actuators driven by the Arduino.
- this also defeats your intended purpose of having the batteries re-charged via the Arduino.

If you decide to go this route then I'd look into getting a motor shield to make life easier. This is the one I used http://www.ladyada.net...

2) you use a separate battery bank for the Arduino
- this will likely significantly increase the weight, meaning you'd need a much bigger Zeppelin / bigger motor which would further increase the weight :P
- most Arduino's that I know of can't handle more than 12V and considering that the board itself would be consuming power, re-routing that power to re-charge your other batteries would be extremely inefficient and ineffective

3) keep the Arduino tethered to a permanent power source
- but then you're pretty much left with a Zeppelin-like kite and you're also limited by the length of the tether. The Arduino that I used (the Uno) came with a shitty 3-foot long 9V power adapter. The USB connection alone only provides 5V.

Personally I'd advise against any attempt at re-charging batteries mid-flight. Just get a nice 12V lithium-ion or NiCd battery if you can and go with option 1.

As for the light sensing.. do you want to be able to distinguish b/w colours or just to detect light intensity? If you want colours then I'd go with a light-to-frequency converter http://www.parallax.com... otherwise, a photodarlington works well http://content.honeywell.com...

as well as avoid obstacles using basic sensors, but I wish to be able to override this basic protocol system to control it remotely via my palm and laptop.

That would require some sort of wireless connection that I'm not sure Arduino can handle... this would be a good place to start http://www.arduino.cc... Unless, like I mentioned before, you keep it tethered. I've seen it done that way before just using the USB connection and having the real-time processing done on a laptop. But if you could figure it out with wireless that would be pretty sweet.

I originally planned on having solar panels being used to help recharge the batteries but you have made some good points on that, I do not need it to discern colors only intensity, and lastly http://www.instructables.com... states that one could use a computers Bluetooth as an remote control system.
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.