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The benefits of a negative camber angle

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8/5/2013 6:28:05 AM
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At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

On the road?
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8/5/2013 6:28:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 6:28:05 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

On the road?

Yep.
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8/5/2013 6:31:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 6:28:28 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:28:05 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

On the road?

Yep.

The car turns better at higher speeds.
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8/5/2013 6:37:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 6:31:20 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:28:28 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:28:05 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

On the road?

Yep.

The car turns better at higher speeds.

How?
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8/5/2013 6:40:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 6:37:38 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:31:20 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:28:28 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:28:05 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

On the road?

Yep.

The car turns better at higher speeds.

How?

Is this a question for your Physics homework or something?
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8/5/2013 6:41:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 6:40:49 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:37:38 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:31:20 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:28:28 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/5/2013 6:28:05 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

On the road?

Yep.

The car turns better at higher speeds.

How?

Is this a question for your Physics homework or something?

Eenope.
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8/16/2013 10:32:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

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I actually do not know the answer but you know..this is my 100th post and I wanted it to be in your forum as a mark of our friendship. Friends for LIFE!! cheers!
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8/16/2013 11:02:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/16/2013 10:32:31 AM, rajun wrote:
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

.....................

I actually do not know the answer but you know..this is my 100th post and I wanted it to be in your forum as a mark of our friendship. Friends for LIFE!! cheers!

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha!!!!!
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8/16/2013 11:15:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/16/2013 11:02:56 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/16/2013 10:32:31 AM, rajun wrote:
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

.....................

I actually do not know the answer but you know..this is my 100th post and I wanted it to be in your forum as a mark of our friendship. Friends for LIFE!! cheers!

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha!!!!!
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cheers!! schools up? or is it still the holidays?
Only cool guys can see this....
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8/16/2013 11:17:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/16/2013 11:15:15 AM, rajun wrote:
At 8/16/2013 11:02:56 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/16/2013 10:32:31 AM, rajun wrote:
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

.....................

I actually do not know the answer but you know..this is my 100th post and I wanted it to be in your forum as a mark of our friendship. Friends for LIFE!! cheers!

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha!!!!!
/////\\\\\

cheers!! schools up? or is it still the holidays?

I am still on vacation. I have a little less than five days left.
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8/16/2013 11:19:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/16/2013 11:17:08 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/16/2013 11:15:15 AM, rajun wrote:
At 8/16/2013 11:02:56 AM, GOP wrote:
At 8/16/2013 10:32:31 AM, rajun wrote:
At 8/3/2013 10:54:36 PM, GOP wrote:
What are the benefits of a negative camber angle (for a car)?

.....................

I actually do not know the answer but you know..this is my 100th post and I wanted it to be in your forum as a mark of our friendship. Friends for LIFE!! cheers!

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha!!!!!
/////\\\\\

cheers!! schools up? or is it still the holidays?

I am still on vacation. I have a little less than five days left.

so the countdown has started...to 10 this time isn't it? My minors of 9th just went away...fared well i suppose... :-P
Only cool guys can see this....
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8/24/2013 1:28:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Apparently the main advantage is that it looks cool to have the wheels tipped inward.

"Negative camber is becoming increasingly more popular because of its visual appeal. The real advantages to negative camber are seen in the handling characteristics. An aggressive driver will enjoy the benefits of increased grip during heavy cornering with negative camber. During straight acceleration however, negative camber will reduce the contact surface between the tires and road surface.

"Regrettably, negative camber generates what is referred to as camber thrust. When both tires are angled negatively they push against each other, which is fine as long as both tires are in contact with the road surface. When one tire loses grip, the other tire no longer has an opposing force being applied to it and as a result the vehicle is thrust towards the wheel with no traction."

http://yospeed.com...
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8/25/2013 12:14:01 AM
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I've noticed that tractors that have an essentially 3-wheel design (one wheel in front, two in back) use a double-wheel in front that have highly negative camber angles. I don't know why though... I just saw one the other day.
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8/25/2013 2:28:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/25/2013 12:14:01 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
I've noticed that tractors that have an essentially 3-wheel design (one wheel in front, two in back) use a double-wheel in front that have highly negative camber angles. I don't know why though... I just saw one the other day.

I poked around the net. They say tractors have a large positive camber angle, not negative. The reason given is " it is to help the front end carry the load, and to make it much easier to steer.... the tire being tipped keeps the kingpin angle closer to straight, and still pointed at the center of the tire.... this is much more important now, then in the older tractors without power steering... with an fel, the load on the steering components is quite high, and if they were asked to control a tire that stuck out to the side, may fail very early in life.... this also prevents torque steer in rough terrain, keeping things much easier on the knuckles" http://www.tractorbynet.com... They go on, "Yes, kingpin pointing to the center of the tire patch is the reason. If it didn't line up, the wheel would have to roll as well as pivot in order to turn. It also puts the weight directly on the axle piot vice offset from it."

Boy, those farmers sure know stuff I don't. The king pin is the central pivot going up from between the two closely spaced wheels in the front. Unlike a car, the caster and camber angles on each of the wheels is fixed. Imagine that the two wheels had negative camber -- wider near the ground than at the top. If that were case, the wheel on the side of the turn would bind against the turn. Positive camber puts the wheels closer together at the bottom, and that relieve the resistance on the tire on the side of the turn. Cars avoid this problem by having a steering mechanism that adjusts the angle on each wheel independently to match the turn.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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8/25/2013 1:16:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/25/2013 2:28:05 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 8/25/2013 12:14:01 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
I've noticed that tractors that have an essentially 3-wheel design (one wheel in front, two in back) use a double-wheel in front that have highly negative camber angles. I don't know why though... I just saw one the other day.

I poked around the net. They say tractors have a large positive camber angle, not negative. The reason given is " it is to help the front end carry the load, and to make it much easier to steer.... the tire being tipped keeps the kingpin angle closer to straight, and still pointed at the center of the tire.... this is much more important now, then in the older tractors without power steering... with an fel, the load on the steering components is quite high, and if they were asked to control a tire that stuck out to the side, may fail very early in life.... this also prevents torque steer in rough terrain, keeping things much easier on the knuckles" http://www.tractorbynet.com... They go on, "Yes, kingpin pointing to the center of the tire patch is the reason. If it didn't line up, the wheel would have to roll as well as pivot in order to turn. It also puts the weight directly on the axle piot vice offset from it."

Boy, those farmers sure know stuff I don't. The king pin is the central pivot going up from between the two closely spaced wheels in the front. Unlike a car, the caster and camber angles on each of the wheels is fixed. Imagine that the two wheels had negative camber -- wider near the ground than at the top. If that were case, the wheel on the side of the turn would bind against the turn. Positive camber puts the wheels closer together at the bottom, and that relieve the resistance on the tire on the side of the turn. Cars avoid this problem by having a steering mechanism that adjusts the angle on each wheel independently to match the turn.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Well this is what I saw... is this not a negative angle?

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8/26/2013 2:58:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The tractor has a positive camber angle. A negative camber has the part of the tire touching the ground more widely spaced than the top. Negative camber is deemed cool.