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Anybody have any of the old Powerpc Macs?

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9/28/2015 2:41:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/28/2015 12:54:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Do you? I'd like to learn more about them.

YOu should be able to find some on ebay cheap. What are you trying to do? Are you curious about the PowerPC processor?
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10/4/2015 2:07:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/28/2015 2:41:22 AM, TBR wrote:
At 9/28/2015 12:54:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Do you? I'd like to learn more about them.

YOu should be able to find some on ebay cheap. What are you trying to do? Are you curious about the PowerPC processor?

No need to run some old software than is Powerpc only. Back when I had Snow Leopard on my Macbook it worked with Rosetta software, but they dropped support of it in Lion. I'm trying to buy a cheap G4 (or G3) laptop so I can run it.
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10/4/2015 5:08:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/4/2015 2:07:18 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 9/28/2015 2:41:22 AM, TBR wrote:
At 9/28/2015 12:54:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Do you? I'd like to learn more about them.

YOu should be able to find some on ebay cheap. What are you trying to do? Are you curious about the PowerPC processor?

No need to run some old software than is Powerpc only. Back when I had Snow Leopard on my Macbook it worked with Rosetta software, but they dropped support of it in Lion. I'm trying to buy a cheap G4 (or G3) laptop so I can run it.

Can't you use an emulator or a virtual PC for PowerPC software?
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10/5/2015 1:05:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/4/2015 5:08:23 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/4/2015 2:07:18 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 9/28/2015 2:41:22 AM, TBR wrote:
At 9/28/2015 12:54:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Do you? I'd like to learn more about them.

YOu should be able to find some on ebay cheap. What are you trying to do? Are you curious about the PowerPC processor?

No need to run some old software than is Powerpc only. Back when I had Snow Leopard on my Macbook it worked with Rosetta software, but they dropped support of it in Lion. I'm trying to buy a cheap G4 (or G3) laptop so I can run it.

Can't you use an emulator or a virtual PC for PowerPC software?

There is Pearpc, but that I tried that, and it doesn't run the apps I need for some reason.
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10/5/2015 1:06:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/4/2015 5:10:04 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you need a physical PowerPC mac, you can get it from eBay as TBR mentioned. People have pretty good deals on old technology there.

Yes, but I need to try get it for 60 bucks or less.
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10/5/2015 1:07:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/5/2015 1:06:17 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/4/2015 5:10:04 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you need a physical PowerPC mac, you can get it from eBay as TBR mentioned. People have pretty good deals on old technology there.

Yes, but I need to try get it for 60 bucks or less.

There's no deals on Ebay for less than 60 bucks? Did you try checking Craigslist?
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10/5/2015 1:08:55 AM
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At 10/5/2015 1:07:45 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:06:17 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/4/2015 5:10:04 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you need a physical PowerPC mac, you can get it from eBay as TBR mentioned. People have pretty good deals on old technology there.

Yes, but I need to try get it for 60 bucks or less.

There's no deals on Ebay for less than 60 bucks? Did you try checking Craigslist?

Yea, they sell them but for parts. I need to wait till some guy brings up a good deal.
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10/5/2015 1:13:29 AM
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If you just need to run a PowerPC program or two though, I'd recommend you just look into some other emulators if 'PearPC' doesn't work. Unless you really want a physical PowerPC computer.
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10/5/2015 4:26:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/5/2015 1:13:29 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you just need to run a PowerPC program or two though, I'd recommend you just look into some other emulators if 'PearPC' doesn't work. Unless you really want a physical PowerPC computer.

Do you know any other ones?
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10/5/2015 7:58:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/5/2015 1:08:55 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:07:45 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:06:17 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/4/2015 5:10:04 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you need a physical PowerPC mac, you can get it from eBay as TBR mentioned. People have pretty good deals on old technology there.

Yes, but I need to try get it for 60 bucks or less.

There's no deals on Ebay for less than 60 bucks? Did you try checking Craigslist?

Yea, they sell them but for parts. I need to wait till some guy brings up a good deal.

There has to be one out there in that price range
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10/6/2015 12:33:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/5/2015 4:26:54 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:13:29 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you just need to run a PowerPC program or two though, I'd recommend you just look into some other emulators if 'PearPC' doesn't work. Unless you really want a physical PowerPC computer.

Do you know any other ones?

Did you try Qemu?
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10/6/2015 12:38:36 AM
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At 10/6/2015 12:33:11 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 4:26:54 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:13:29 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you just need to run a PowerPC program or two though, I'd recommend you just look into some other emulators if 'PearPC' doesn't work. Unless you really want a physical PowerPC computer.

Do you know any other ones?

Did you try Qemu?

Just looked it up. Does it run Powerpc versions of mac, or just the Intel one?
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10/6/2015 12:40:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/5/2015 7:58:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:08:55 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:07:45 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:06:17 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/4/2015 5:10:04 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you need a physical PowerPC mac, you can get it from eBay as TBR mentioned. People have pretty good deals on old technology there.

Yes, but I need to try get it for 60 bucks or less.

There's no deals on Ebay for less than 60 bucks? Did you try checking Craigslist?

Yea, they sell them but for parts. I need to wait till some guy brings up a good deal.

There has to be one out there in that price range

Still no luck.
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10/6/2015 12:44:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/6/2015 12:38:36 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/6/2015 12:33:11 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 4:26:54 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:13:29 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you just need to run a PowerPC program or two though, I'd recommend you just look into some other emulators if 'PearPC' doesn't work. Unless you really want a physical PowerPC computer.

Do you know any other ones?

Did you try Qemu?

Just looked it up. Does it run Powerpc versions of mac, or just the Intel one?

From what i've read, it should be able to run PowerPC.
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10/8/2015 10:29:56 PM
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At 9/28/2015 12:54:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Do you? I'd like to learn more about them.

Just as a note... I would like to discuss the loss of intress in other core tech.

Anyone interested? RISC ?
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10/9/2015 5:40:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/8/2015 10:29:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/28/2015 12:54:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Do you? I'd like to learn more about them.

Just as a note... I would like to discuss the loss of intress in other core tech.

Anyone interested? RISC ?

Core tech? What do you mean by that? By intress, is that a pun regarding intel?
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10/9/2015 5:55:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/9/2015 5:40:02 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/8/2015 10:29:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/28/2015 12:54:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Do you? I'd like to learn more about them.

Just as a note... I would like to discuss the loss of intress in other core tech.

Anyone interested? RISC ?

Core tech? What do you mean by that? By intress, is that a pun regarding intel?

Well, at the heart there are a number of different ideas about how to build processors. RISC (reduced instruction set) processors that were at the heart of larger enterprise systems are currently out of fashion. CISC (Complex [complete] instruction set) processors are what we are all more familiar with at this time.

The conversation can get wonky fast, but it has to do with where you put the load and overhead for the processor. RISC (like the "Power Chips") have some huge advantages. Less complexity on the hardware side gives huge performance gains at lower clock speeds (efficiency). Where it has its issues is in complexity in the software side.

So, we are living with sub-optimal code made up for by the more robust code IN the chip.
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10/9/2015 5:58:28 PM
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To give you a rough idea, HP-UNIX servers that were my domain years ago were running at substantially lower clock speeds than the Intel based servers, with sometimes as high a multiple as 4x the processor throughput.
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10/9/2015 6:01:11 PM
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Also, incidentally, that is why I suspect any attempt to run the OS on a VM to resolve this issue is not working as planed. You MIGHT be able to run the OS, but the app written distinctly to take advantage of the underlying processor will still fail.
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10/9/2015 6:18:47 PM
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At 10/9/2015 6:01:11 PM, TBR wrote:
Also, incidentally, that is why I suspect any attempt to run the OS on a VM to resolve this issue is not working as planed. You MIGHT be able to run the OS, but the app written distinctly to take advantage of the underlying processor will still fail.

I'm a little lost on what you're implying here, but are you saying that PowerPC was RISC-based which is why tajshar2k is failing to run a program?
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10/9/2015 6:29:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/9/2015 6:18:47 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2015 6:01:11 PM, TBR wrote:
Also, incidentally, that is why I suspect any attempt to run the OS on a VM to resolve this issue is not working as planed. You MIGHT be able to run the OS, but the app written distinctly to take advantage of the underlying processor will still fail.

I'm a little lost on what you're implying here, but are you saying that PowerPC was RISC-based which is why tajshar2k is failing to run a program?

Well, I am certainly saying the PowerPC chip was a RISC processor. I am suggesting that it is possibly the reason he would not be able to run the app on any CISC processor.
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10/9/2015 6:31:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/9/2015 6:29:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/9/2015 6:18:47 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/9/2015 6:01:11 PM, TBR wrote:
Also, incidentally, that is why I suspect any attempt to run the OS on a VM to resolve this issue is not working as planed. You MIGHT be able to run the OS, but the app written distinctly to take advantage of the underlying processor will still fail.

I'm a little lost on what you're implying here, but are you saying that PowerPC was RISC-based which is why tajshar2k is failing to run a program?

Well, I am certainly saying the PowerPC chip was a RISC processor. I am suggesting that it is possibly the reason he would not be able to run the app on any CISC processor.

Well couldn't you run PowerPC apps on versions of OS-X prior to Snow Leopard?
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10/9/2015 6:37:35 PM
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Well couldn't you run PowerPC apps on versions of OS-X prior to Snow Leopard?

That is true, and still is dependent on the software used to compile.

Let me put it this way. If you muck about in the low-level languages, if you want to program in assembly, the RISC is the way to go. It is much more simple than the mind-bending CISC instruction set. It is up to the higher level languages to bridge this gap.
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10/9/2015 6:41:34 PM
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By-the-by. Unless you are on your way to an engineering degree, I would NEVER suggest anyone spend any amount of time learning assembly. It is without doubt the most tedious and dull endeavor man could ever engage in.
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10/9/2015 10:55:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/8/2015 10:29:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/28/2015 12:54:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Do you? I'd like to learn more about them.

Just as a note... I would like to discuss the loss of intress in other core tech.

Anyone interested? RISC ?

Well, I'm not really knowledgable on the processor itself, but I can discuss other things maybe. Anybody use Linux?
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10/9/2015 10:55:41 PM
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At 10/5/2015 7:58:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:08:55 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:07:45 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/5/2015 1:06:17 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/4/2015 5:10:04 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
If you need a physical PowerPC mac, you can get it from eBay as TBR mentioned. People have pretty good deals on old technology there.

Yes, but I need to try get it for 60 bucks or less.

There's no deals on Ebay for less than 60 bucks? Did you try checking Craigslist?

Yea, they sell them but for parts. I need to wait till some guy brings up a good deal.

There has to be one out there in that price range

If anybody is interested, I know how to run MAC OS X on P.C. Just in case you need to run Final Cut or something.
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10/10/2015 6:21:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/9/2015 10:55:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/8/2015 10:29:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/28/2015 12:54:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Do you? I'd like to learn more about them.

Just as a note... I would like to discuss the loss of intress in other core tech.

Anyone interested? RISC ?

Well, I'm not really knowledgable on the processor itself, but I can discuss other things maybe. Anybody use Linux?

You know... I have never been happy with Linux on the desktop. I have used it for many servers, but never had any fun running on even my own desktop.