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2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?
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2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.
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2/15/2016 3:41:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

No arguments on the performance of the rotary. It is the emissions that is killing it.
The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision, or contempt, freedom of thought becomes impossible. - Salman Rushdie

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
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2/15/2016 12:17:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2016 3:41:29 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

No arguments on the performance of the rotary. It is the emissions that is killing it.

Emissions? , but diesel is OK. Again complete BS
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2/15/2016 1:43:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2016 12:17:40 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:41:29 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

No arguments on the performance of the rotary. It is the emissions that is killing it.

Emissions? , but diesel is OK. Again complete BS

Diesel is irrelevant to the OP, and the Wankel engine is actually designed to have oil injected into the combustion chamber. (i.e. it burns oil by design)
The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision, or contempt, freedom of thought becomes impossible. - Salman Rushdie

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
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2/21/2016 5:07:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

What on earth does PC bullsh1t have to do with this?

I had a Mazda RX-7. LOVED it. Fast as he11, fun as he11. Felt better than a Porsche. Anyway, I don't get your strange PC comment.
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2/21/2016 9:50:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/21/2016 5:07:29 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

What on earth does PC bullsh1t have to do with this?

I had a Mazda RX-7. LOVED it. Fast as he11, fun as he11. Felt better than a Porsche. Anyway, I don't get your strange PC comment.

They are 2 stroke EPA PC BS banned them. Same with outboards.
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2/21/2016 10:49:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/21/2016 9:50:56 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 5:07:29 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

What on earth does PC bullsh1t have to do with this?

I had a Mazda RX-7. LOVED it. Fast as he11, fun as he11. Felt better than a Porsche. Anyway, I don't get your strange PC comment.

They are 2 stroke EPA PC BS banned them. Same with outboards.

I am unaware of any EPA ban on this engine. Are you just spouting crap, or can you show me the ban.
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2/22/2016 12:14:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/21/2016 10:49:55 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:50:56 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 5:07:29 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

What on earth does PC bullsh1t have to do with this?

I had a Mazda RX-7. LOVED it. Fast as he11, fun as he11. Felt better than a Porsche. Anyway, I don't get your strange PC comment.

They are 2 stroke EPA PC BS banned them. Same with outboards.

I am unaware of any EPA ban on this engine. Are you just spouting crap, or can you show me the ban.

How about this, go try and buy a rotary powered car or a two stroke boat motor. And not one that's 20 years old, a new one.
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2/22/2016 12:21:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/22/2016 12:14:42 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 10:49:55 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:50:56 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 5:07:29 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

What on earth does PC bullsh1t have to do with this?

I had a Mazda RX-7. LOVED it. Fast as he11, fun as he11. Felt better than a Porsche. Anyway, I don't get your strange PC comment.

They are 2 stroke EPA PC BS banned them. Same with outboards.

I am unaware of any EPA ban on this engine. Are you just spouting crap, or can you show me the ban.

How about this, go try and buy a rotary powered car or a two stroke boat motor. And not one that's 20 years old, a new one.

You said there was a ban. Where is the ban?
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2/22/2016 12:35:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/22/2016 12:21:09 AM, TBR wrote:
At 2/22/2016 12:14:42 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 10:49:55 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:50:56 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 5:07:29 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

What on earth does PC bullsh1t have to do with this?

I had a Mazda RX-7. LOVED it. Fast as he11, fun as he11. Felt better than a Porsche. Anyway, I don't get your strange PC comment.

They are 2 stroke EPA PC BS banned them. Same with outboards.

I am unaware of any EPA ban on this engine. Are you just spouting crap, or can you show me the ban.

How about this, go try and buy a rotary powered car or a two stroke boat motor. And not one that's 20 years old, a new one.

You said there was a ban. Where is the ban?

If you can't buy one what does that mean?
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2/22/2016 12:42:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/22/2016 12:21:09 AM, TBR wrote:
At 2/22/2016 12:14:42 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 10:49:55 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:50:56 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 5:07:29 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

What on earth does PC bullsh1t have to do with this?

I had a Mazda RX-7. LOVED it. Fast as he11, fun as he11. Felt better than a Porsche. Anyway, I don't get your strange PC comment.

They are 2 stroke EPA PC BS banned them. Same with outboards.

I am unaware of any EPA ban on this engine. Are you just spouting crap, or can you show me the ban.

How about this, go try and buy a rotary powered car or a two stroke boat motor. And not one that's 20 years old, a new one.

You said there was a ban. Where is the ban?

Ok how about this, the EPA made it impossible for them to pass emission standards, by default banning them. So yes you are correct they are not banned. But any thinking person knows that is the end result and desire of the PC BS EPA. You can live in denial if you wish about it.
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2/22/2016 12:47:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/22/2016 12:42:40 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/22/2016 12:21:09 AM, TBR wrote:
At 2/22/2016 12:14:42 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 10:49:55 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:50:56 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 5:07:29 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

What on earth does PC bullsh1t have to do with this?

I had a Mazda RX-7. LOVED it. Fast as he11, fun as he11. Felt better than a Porsche. Anyway, I don't get your strange PC comment.

They are 2 stroke EPA PC BS banned them. Same with outboards.

I am unaware of any EPA ban on this engine. Are you just spouting crap, or can you show me the ban.

How about this, go try and buy a rotary powered car or a two stroke boat motor. And not one that's 20 years old, a new one.

You said there was a ban. Where is the ban?

Ok how about this, the EPA made it impossible for them to pass emission standards, by default banning them. So yes you are correct they are not banned. But any thinking person knows that is the end result and desire of the PC BS EPA. You can live in denial if you wish about it.

You can make them all you want but you can't sell them or use them. Just like prohibition but in reverse. You could not make ,buy, export or import alcohol but there was no law against drinking it.
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2/22/2016 12:56:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/22/2016 12:42:40 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/22/2016 12:21:09 AM, TBR wrote:
At 2/22/2016 12:14:42 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 10:49:55 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:50:56 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/21/2016 5:07:29 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/15/2016 3:06:20 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 7:52:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
There are currently no new cars offering rotary engines. It seems higher emission standards may have killed the Wankel engine, or has it? Apparently, Mazda is working to make it into a hydrogen powerplant and also has designs for a secondary power plant on electric cars.

http://www.powernationtv.com...
http://www.wired.com...

I think the Wankel engine is a cool design, but can it be competitive with other designs?

Like most other non PC technology, it gets a completely unscientific bad rap. it's far superior to a piston engine as far as horsepower generation and weighs half as much. The fastest car I ever rode in was a turbo charged rotary. It was the fastest car in Sarasota, nothing could touch it. There is nothing wrong with rotary engines it's all pseudoscience PC bullsht.

What on earth does PC bullsh1t have to do with this?

I had a Mazda RX-7. LOVED it. Fast as he11, fun as he11. Felt better than a Porsche. Anyway, I don't get your strange PC comment.

They are 2 stroke EPA PC BS banned them. Same with outboards.

I am unaware of any EPA ban on this engine. Are you just spouting crap, or can you show me the ban.

How about this, go try and buy a rotary powered car or a two stroke boat motor. And not one that's 20 years old, a new one.

You said there was a ban. Where is the ban?

Ok how about this, the EPA made it impossible for them to pass emission standards, by default banning them. So yes you are correct they are not banned. But any thinking person knows that is the end result and desire of the PC BS EPA. You can live in denial if you wish about it.

I don't know man. Sounds like hyperbole to me.

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https://www.google.com...
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3/16/2016 2:33:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The problem with rotary engines is the gas mileage is lower. It seems like as soon as mazda finally perfected the wankel engine, there was the OPEC oil embargo. The price of gas rose and a rotary engine did not seem practical.
Rotaries still have a great power per pound ratio, but with 2016 technology a four cylinder engine can be as powerful.
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4/6/2016 2:17:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Maybe the Wankel isn't dead.
But Mazda could make a supercharged, turbocharged 4 with nitrous oxide injection, that can outrun an RX-7, so why bother with the rotaries?
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5/14/2016 12:31:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Rotary engines are simply too inefficient (bad MPG) to complete against piston engines. Sure, they produce a whole lot more HP for their mass, but without good MPG, so what.

Rotary engines might eventually find a place as electric generators for plug-in electric cars, to extend range. Constantly running at optimal RPM, for electric generation, reduces their bad MPG. But, the ace is their low mass. If they're only occasionally used for range extending, their low mass becomes more important than their MPG.