At 7/17/2012 9:06:47 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/17/2012 6:44:35 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Saying that anything is "better" is stupid. People invented aesthetics so that they could have opportunities to exercise their judgment and show off how cultured and tasteful they are. But normativity in art is dumb--it's a positive, creative enterprise for the artist--not just something to be consumed by passive, critical idiots.
They're both pleasant to listen to, and that's good enough for me. End of thread.
I hope you're not calling me a passive critical idiot. That's not very kind :/
I hope you're not a passive spectator who conceives of art as an occasion to exercise your sense of good taste. Kindness isn't really relevant.
Composers create their music for other people whether or not as a career or as a hobby. There is limited enjoyment in making music for only oneself...and I say that as a novice music writer myself.
Not true at all. Plenty of people compose, write, paint, etc. without the intention to make public.
It's meant to be criticized and examined by other people and meant to be placed by some kind of standard.
Yeah, and my counterpoint is that aesthetics, as a discipline, is f*cking stupid for precisely that reason, and needs to be thrown out. The notion of taking art, setting it apart from its historical cultural significance, dressing it up in formalities and critical structures, making it just another isolated and partitioned category--all of that is a big pile of dumb. I don't think there's any reason to compartmentalize art as one small piece of culture--I would say, on the contrary, that it deserves the spot in the very center, as a powerful directional force that actually moves culture in some or other direction.
I, and the rest of the english speaking world uses the word "better" in a subjective context, depending on what the standard is. I'm not sure why you have a problem with that...or people expressing their opinions for that matter.
What I have a problem with is the way people treat both art and artists.
A man is tasked with reading to completion a strand of ticker tape of infinite length. He finishes, leaves, and forgets to close the door behind him.