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Volkov
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1/19/2010 3:39:53 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 1/19/2010 3:37:51 PM, mongeese wrote:
I have a feeling that this might be relevant soon. Is there a process for removing names from the DDO Hall of Fame?

Are you going to remove Lwerd from the HoF? Lol.
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GeoLaureate8
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1/19/2010 3:42:00 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Voting tendencies =/= Debate skill. The quality if her debates have not changed.
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1/19/2010 3:50:57 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 1/19/2010 3:42:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Voting tendencies =/= Debate skill. The quality if her debates have not changed.

The HoF isn't just about debating skills. It's about being a good DDOian. And I'm not sure if Lwerd qualifies after the most recent relevation.
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Volkov
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1/19/2010 3:53:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 1/19/2010 3:50:57 PM, mongeese wrote:
The HoF isn't just about debating skills. It's about being a good DDOian. And I'm not sure if Lwerd qualifies after the most recent relevation.

Lwerd was voted on for her skills, not for her pleasantness.
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mongeese
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1/19/2010 3:58:35 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 1/19/2010 3:53:58 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 1/19/2010 3:50:57 PM, mongeese wrote:
The HoF isn't just about debating skills. It's about being a good DDOian. And I'm not sure if Lwerd qualifies after the most recent relevation.

Lwerd was voted on for her skills, not for her pleasantness.

Actually, she was respected for being number one on the leaderboard as well. Now we know some new factors as to how she got to the top.
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Volkov
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1/19/2010 4:00:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 1/19/2010 3:58:35 PM, mongeese wrote:
Actually, she was respected for being number one on the leaderboard as well. Now we know some new factors as to how she got to the top.

They're factors that are under suspicion, not clear-as-day facts. But even if it is proven that Lwerd has been given an unfair advantage, that doesn't discount her skill as a debater, and I doubt you'll get a lot of traction from people who won' change their vote, or even care.
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1/19/2010 4:32:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 1/19/2010 4:00:03 PM, Volkov wrote:
They're factors that are under suspicion, not clear-as-day facts.

They can't be any clearer, really.

But even if it is proven that Lwerd has been given an unfair advantage, that doesn't discount her skill as a debater

How so? If her wins are because of vote-bombs, then that obviously makes her less of a debater.

and I doubt you'll get a lot of traction from people who won' change their vote, or even care.

Actually, you only need three votes to block someone, L currently has two. Plus, I don't see how she is a good DDOian - vote-bombing, getting banned, and insults coming to mind.
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1/19/2010 4:37:52 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 1/19/2010 4:32:09 PM, Nags wrote:
They can't be any clearer, really.

Have you never heard of reasonable doubt?

How so? If her wins are because of vote-bombs, then that obviously makes her less of a debater.

No, it makes the votes skewed - not her skill. The category for best debater is based on quality, not quantity.

Actually, you only need three votes to block someone, L currently has two. Plus, I don't see how she is a good DDOian - vote-bombing, getting banned, and insults coming to mind.

So what if she is a good DDOian or not - she has skill as a debater, regardless of the scores she's gotten or how she got them.
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1/19/2010 4:45:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 1/19/2010 4:00:03 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 1/19/2010 3:58:35 PM, mongeese wrote:
Actually, she was respected for being number one on the leaderboard as well. Now we know some new factors as to how she got to the top.

They're factors that are under suspicion, not clear-as-day facts. But even if it is proven that Lwerd has been given an unfair advantage, that doesn't discount her skill as a debater, and I doubt you'll get a lot of traction from people who won' change their vote, or even care.

Yeah i stick with keeping her in.
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1/19/2010 4:47:14 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 1/19/2010 4:37:52 PM, Volkov wrote:
Have you never heard of reasonable doubt?

Go to her debates and click on the Votes tab.

No, it makes the votes skewed - not her skill. The category for best debater is based on quality, not quantity.

Her skill is largely judged based on her rank.

So what if she is a good DDOian or not - she has skill as a debater, regardless of the scores she's gotten or how she got them.

She is an OK debater. That doesn't make one a good DDOian, by any means. I don't care if you win every single debate without voting for yourself, that doesn't necessarily make one an asset to the community. Vote-bombing, getting banned, and insulting other members numerous times certainly outweigh her so-called skill as a debater. HA, and to think she calls other pseudo-intellectuals.