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GodSands
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8/19/2009 5:50:14 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
If evolution was not a concept, how could one know what a missing link is or isn't. The motion flow of a creature turning into another creature, (fish into a amphibian into a mamale). When evolutionists put a motion piece together, seemingly making the viewer believe that evolution does as such, this occurs in Walking with Monsters. If it was true, I, you and everyone should be witness to it occuring as it is shown in a motion piece, but it does not happen.

It tricks a person into believing that evolutionists know how creature evolve, when it is a clear geuss, evolutionists would need to find a fossil or a group of fossils that as a living creature, has died right next to it's mother or father, and then the next creature dies which was an offspring from the same creature that died beside it. So basiclly you have your self a collection of fossils that all look the same when you look at the two next to each other, but if you look at the last fossil in the collection compared to the first, you will see a huge difference. Impossible, concluding if evolution was true, this would have to be true also.

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8/19/2009 6:31:30 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
I have no clear idea what you're talking about, but I do know that there is no reason why this should not be in the "Science" forum.

Anyways, on this, 'argument'.

If evolution was not a concept, how could one know what a missing link is or isn't. The motion flow of a creature turning into another creature, (fish into a amphibian into a mamale). When evolutionists put a motion piece together, seemingly making the viewer believe that evolution does as such, this occurs in Walking with Monsters. If it was true, I, you and everyone should be witness to it occuring as it is shown in a motion piece, but it does not happen.

This is, well, I don't know. You're saying that because the documentary/show Walking With Monsters is able to use special effects to speed up the process of evolutionary change (fish->amphibian->mammal), which somehow shows the "missing link," and because we do not see this occurring in reality, it must not be true.

Now, I don't think I need to explain the difference between TV and reality is. But it would be good to note that whatever Walking with Monsters shows is based off of fossil evidence already noted. Any "missing link" ideas they present are based off of scientific estimation of what these ancient creatures look like, based on what their predecessors and successors look like.

It tricks a person into believing that evolutionists know how creature evolve, when it is a clear geuss,

Yes, that is what science is - estimation, but estimation based off of fact and observed phenomenon. I have never heard any evolutionist who knows what they're talking about say that they can guess what these "missing links" are outright.

So basiclly you have your self a collection of fossils that all look the same when you look at the two next to each other, but if you look at the last fossil in the collection compared to the first, you will see a huge difference. Impossible, concluding if evolution was true, this would have to be true also.

This doesn't make sense. So if Fossil D is really different from Fossil A, evolution is not true, because it is similar enough to Fossil A. This ignores all tenets of evolution.

Fossil A with these characteristics, turns into Fossil B with slightly different characteristics, which turns into Fossil C with slightly different characteristics, which turns into Fossil D with another slight difference in characteristics. It makes sense then that Fossil D will be drastically different from Fossil A in several ways, due to genetic drift, inherited traits, etc.

I have no idea how this does not make sense.
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8/19/2009 6:38:12 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
If I am reading this correctly, it seems that Godsands is making a crude version of another weak argument I have seen.

It basically goes like this:
Because we do not know that the specific animal making up a fossil had offspring, we cannot use them as a link because their genes may not have been passed on.

Hope that clears up what he was trying to say.
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8/19/2009 6:44:52 PM
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Then that is a silly argument. If you find Fossil A with such and such characteristics in the same geological sediments as Fossil B with similar characteristics but with slight difference, as well as using the geological record to date the time period where these creatures existed as well as the environment, scientists can make very accurate correlations between these two different creatures.
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8/19/2009 6:50:33 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Alright, off the bat let's just get rid of this offhand conception of a "missing" or "transitional" link/fossil.

According to the modern evolutionary synthesis, all populations of organisms are in transition. The idea of a transitional fossil is simply a human construct, in which some fossils "looks" like a transition (common conceptions are animals that can swim and crawl, half bird/half reptile, etc.). Of course, such a shady line as "looking like" is unacceptable in science.

You could say that cladistics is somewhat involved, but to be technical any talk of transitional fossils is redundant and pointless. To say there are no transitional fossils is to say either no organism exists or only one does, which is clearly ridiculous.
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8/19/2009 7:10:36 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
: At 8/19/2009 6:31:30 PM, Volkov wrote:
I have no clear idea what you're talking about, but I do know that there is no reason why this should not be in the "Science" forum.

Anyways, on this, 'argument'.

If evolution was not a concept, how could one know what a missing link is or isn't. The motion flow of a creature turning into another creature, (fish into a amphibian into a mamale). When evolutionists put a motion piece together, seemingly making the viewer believe that evolution does as such, this occurs in Walking with Monsters. If it was true, I, you and everyone should be witness to it occuring as it is shown in a motion piece, but it does not happen.

This is, well, I don't know. You're saying that because the documentary/show Walking With Monsters is able to use special effects to speed up the process of evolutionary change (fish->amphibian->mammal), which somehow shows the "missing link," and because we do not see this occurring in reality, it must not be true.

Now, I don't think I need to explain the difference between TV and reality is. But it would be good to note that whatever Walking with Monsters shows is based off of fossil evidence already noted. Any "missing link" ideas they present are based off of scientific estimation of what these ancient creatures look like, based on what their predecessors and successors look like.

It tricks a person into believing that evolutionists know how creature evolve, when it is a clear geuss,

Yes, that is what science is - estimation, but estimation based off of fact and observed phenomenon. I have never heard any evolutionist who knows what they're talking about say that they can guess what these "missing links" are outright.

So basiclly you have your self a collection of fossils that all look the same when you look at the two next to each other, but if you look at the last fossil in the collection compared to the first, you will see a huge difference. Impossible, concluding if evolution was true, this would have to be true also.

This doesn't make sense. So if Fossil D is really different from Fossil A, evolution is not true, because it is similar enough to Fossil A. This ignores all tenets of evolution.

Fossil A with these characteristics, turns into Fossil B with slightly different characteristics, which turns into Fossil C with slightly different characteristics, which turns into Fossil D with another slight difference in characteristics. It makes sense then that Fossil D will be drastically different from Fossil A in several ways, due to genetic drift, inherited traits, etc.

I have no idea how this does not make sense.


I am talking about motion not steps or frames but motion. Fossil 1 is no different to fossil 2, as we are not different to people 40 years ago, no different. Well doesn't there come a time where we are different looking according to evolution? But if the next fossils is no different, what makes you think that fossil 2974 will be different from fossil 1? Because of time?

If evolution was true fossil number 1 would not be any different from fossil number 2, 3, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 300, 700, 1000 etc... Since if evolution was true, fossil number 1 would be different to fossil number two, not by much but it would be different. Evolution says, that our generation or the next born person will be better than the person who was born eariler, only though by a tiny bit. But we are more better that those who were alive 2000 years ago. It's alittle racist in that respects. So anyway, if this motion audio does not occur like it does in what we can witness, that it is not true, right? Because I am witnessing the motion of a creature turning into a completely different creature, but when I look at a cat it does not change or are we speeding up time here. Because apparently now, creatures do not give birth, well not according to a fast forward piece of motion footage which these evolutionists has merged together.

And if you have not watched Walking with Monsters, go and watch it, you will know what I mean, infact here is a clip of what I mean... It's actually apart of the creatures ability almost, like that is what the creature does. Silly theory, interesting series.
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8/19/2009 7:17:17 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2009 7:10:36 PM, GodSands wrote:
I am talking about motion not steps or frames but motion. Fossil 1 is no different to fossil 2, as we are not different to people 40 years ago, no different. Well doesn't there come a time where we are different looking according to evolution? But if the next fossils is no different, what makes you think that fossil 2974 will be different from fossil 1? Because of time?

Where is this proof that the fossils look no different? Your entire theory hinges on this, yet you offer no proof.

And yes, we are different to people than 40 years ago, very different.
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8/19/2009 7:23:18 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
: At 8/19/2009 7:17:17 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 8/19/2009 7:10:36 PM, GodSands wrote:
I am talking about motion not steps or frames but motion. Fossil 1 is no different to fossil 2, as we are not different to people 40 years ago, no different. Well doesn't there come a time where we are different looking according to evolution? But if the next fossils is no different, what makes you think that fossil 2974 will be different from fossil 1? Because of time?

Where is this proof that the fossils look no different? Your entire theory hinges on this, yet you offer no proof.

And yes, we are different to people than 40 years ago, very different.


Get me two human fossils and I bet on my life, that one will not look any less human than the other. Thats my proof!
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8/19/2009 7:32:53 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2009 7:23:18 PM, GodSands wrote:
Get me two human fossils and I bet on my life, that one will not look any less human than the other. Thats my proof!

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8/19/2009 7:37:55 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2009 7:32:53 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 8/19/2009 7:23:18 PM, GodSands wrote:
Get me two human fossils and I bet on my life, that one will not look any less human than the other. Thats my proof!

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

I wouldn't expect a reply, Volkov, because GodSands just lost his little bet.
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