The similarities between...

God and macro evolution.

1. They are both in able to sense.

2. Both created life.

3. Both can create anything.

4. Both become man.

5. Both out do each other. (In a perspective from a godly view evolution is a lie, in that Satan started it in Genesis 3:5. And in that, it is an excuse to be sinful. From the other perspective God and Satan are mere mythical explanations which were used when things which are thought to be scientific were not known.)

6. Neither God or macro evolution are scientific.

7. Both cannot be proved, since both require an individual mind set.

8. Both are logical, but both cannot be correct. Micro must = macro. Morality must = eternal judgement.

There maybe more? But I'll just say this, maths, science and language all need to be in existence at once otherwise none would exist. Maths cannot exist without science, same goes for science, language sustains them both. In the same way, physicality, mentality and spirituality cannot exist without each other. Physicality cannot exist without mentality and like language, spirituality sustains them both.

It works like this, as a baby, you see mathematical formulas like a square, and you see science working, only until you start to use language do those things make sense, in mind or out loud.

In the same sense you cannot understand how and what physicality and mentality is without spirituality. You quite certainly see physicality and understand your thoughts, but you do not know or ever will know where physicality came from or what it is with out spirituality, and without mentality there is not physical matter.

"Just because I am not in existence does not mean nothing else is." Yes it does, are you everything or your self? If you are everything, fine, if you are just your self then nothing exists if you do not. Yes not even God. However you do, because you are reading this.

At 10/10/2009 6:58:56 PM, GodSands wrote:
God and macro evolution.

1. They are both in able to sense.

You can see, hear, touch, smell, or taste either of these things?

2. Both created life.

God-no. Macroevolution-yes.

3. Both can create anything.

No. Completely wrong. "Can an all-powerful being create something that is greater than itself?" ie. "Could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even that being could not lift it?"

4. Both become man.

God-no. Macroevolution-yes.

5. Both out do each other. (In a perspective from a godly view evolution is a lie, in that Satan started it in Genesis 3:5. And in that, it is an excuse to be sinful. From the other perspective God and Satan are mere mythical explanations which were used when things which are thought to be scientific were not known.)

Satan can change God's will? That's new to me.

6. Neither God or macro evolution are scientific.

God can be. Macroevolution is.

7. Both cannot be proved, since both require an individual mind set.

Both of them can be proved.

8. Both are logical, but both cannot be correct. Micro must = macro. Morality must = eternal judgement.

Macroevolution is logical and correct, God is neither.

There maybe more? But I'll just say this, maths, science and language all need to be in existence at once otherwise none would exist. Maths cannot exist without science, same goes for science, language sustains them both. In the same way, physicality, mentality and spirituality cannot exist without each other. Physicality cannot exist without mentality and like language, spirituality sustains them both.

Huh...? 1+1 =/= 2 unless science? What..?

It works like this, as a baby, you see mathematical formulas like a square, and you see science working, only until you start to use language do those things make sense, in mind or out loud.

In the same sense you cannot understand how and what physicality and mentality is without spirituality. You quite certainly see physicality and understand your thoughts, but you do not know or ever will know where physicality came from or what it is with out spirituality, and without mentality there is not physical matter.

"Just because I am not in existence does not mean nothing else is." Yes it does, are you everything or your self? If you are everything, fine, if you are just your self then nothing exists if you do not. Yes not even God. However you do, because you are reading this.

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At 10/10/2009 6:58:56 PM, GodSands wrote:
God and macro evolution.

Ugh.

1. They are both in able to sense.

To sense, which I take you mean to be perceive, it must be conscious. Evolution is a blind, uncaring, natural process - it most definitely not conscious.

2. Both created life.

Wrong. Evolution explains the diversity of life, now the origins of it.

3. Both can create anything.

Are you seriously saying evolution is an omnipotent process?

4. Both become man.

Evolution made man, but it wasn't man. That's like saying the process of evaporation became vapor.

5. Both out do each other. (In a perspective from a godly view evolution is a lie, in that Satan started it in Genesis 3:5. And in that, it is an excuse to be sinful. From the other perspective God and Satan are mere mythical explanations which were used when things which are thought to be scientific were not known.)

Two thins are similar when they contradict each other? Huh, is that right.

6. Neither God or macro evolution are scientific.

*sigh*

7. Both cannot be proved, since both require an individual mind set.

By that reasoning, nothing can be proved.

8. Both are logical, but both cannot be correct. Micro must = macro. Morality must = eternal judgement.

Are you saying God cannot be correct? Um, that sounds like a concession from theism is anything. And furthermore, if something is logically possible that it CAN be correct - you contradict yourself every time you speak.

There maybe more? But I'll just say this, maths, science and language all need to be in existence at once otherwise none would exist. Maths cannot exist without science, same goes for science, language sustains them both. In the same way, physicality, mentality and spirituality cannot exist without each other. Physicality cannot exist without mentality and like language, spirituality sustains them both.

Wtf.

It works like this, as a baby, you see mathematical formulas like a square, and you see science working, only until you start to use language do those things make sense, in mind or out loud.

You're getting into an incredibly rich and complex area of the science/philosophy of language. It's not as easy as "baby sees symbols and learns".

In the same sense you cannot understand how and what physicality and mentality is without spirituality. You quite certainly see physicality and understand your thoughts, but you do not know or ever will know where physicality came from or what it is with out spirituality, and without mentality there is not physical matter.

"Just because I am not in existence does not mean nothing else is." Yes it does, are you everything or your self? If you are everything, fine, if you are just your self then nothing exists if you do not. Yes not even God. However you do, because you are reading this.

So much hogwash in these 2 paragraphs there's no point in responding.

Wrong. Evolution explains the diversity of life, now the origins of it.

*not

At 10/10/2009 6:58:56 PM, GodSands wrote:
God and macro evolution.

1. They are both in able to sense.

I don't know what this means exactly, but I'll assume that it means "there is no proof of it," which is true for God, but false for macro-evolution.

2. Both created life.

Incorrect. God doesn't exist so He couldn't create life, while macro-evolution and evolution in general isn't about the creation of life, but rather the advancement and characteristics of life.

3. Both can create anything.

Incorrect again.

4. Both become man.

Macro-evolution cannot "become man." It isn't an entity that morphs into something - it is a process, not a person.

5. Both out do each other.

You're still treating evolution as an entity.

(In a perspective from a godly view evolution is a lie, in that Satan started it in Genesis 3:5.

Satan never "started" the theory of evolution.

From the other perspective God and Satan are mere mythical explanations which were used when things which are thought to be scientific were not known.)

I don't know how that proves that anything outdoes itself or each other.

6. Neither God or macro evolution are scientific.

You're partly right, because no actual scientist calls it macro-evolution and addresses the idea of evolution in the idiotic way creationists do because they don't understand it.

7. Both cannot be proved, since both require an individual mind set.

Evolution has been proven, God has not. I don't know what you mean by an individual mind set.

8. Both are logical, but both cannot be correct. Micro must = macro. Morality must = eternal judgement.

Misunderstanding of science in order to try and construe it to excuse the logical absurdity that is God.

There maybe more? But I'll just say this, maths, science and language all need to be in existence at once otherwise none would exist. Maths cannot exist without science, same goes for science, language sustains them both. In the same way, physicality, mentality and spirituality cannot exist without each other. Physicality cannot exist without mentality and like language, spirituality sustains them both.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Math, science and language all exist separate from each other.

1 + 1 can exist fine without gravity and the word 'one'. We understand what 'one' is because of language, and we can figure out more stuff because science can delve deeper - but those are only reasoning faculties. Big difference.

In the same sense you cannot understand how and what physicality and mentality is without spirituality. You quite certainly see physicality and understand your thoughts, but you do not know or ever will know where physicality came from or what it is with out spirituality, and without mentality there is not physical matter.

That is a load of crock. If this was true, then I wouldn't be able to understand anything at all, and clearly I understand much more than you.

"Just because I am not in existence does not mean nothing else is." Yes it does, are you everything or your self? If you are everything, fine, if you are just your self then nothing exists if you do not. Yes not even God. However you do, because you are reading this.

This makes no sense. You're an idiot.

"Just because I am not in existence doesn't mean nothing else is." Agreed. Just because you can't sense something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Are you willing to say that because a blind man cannot see, then there isn't anything to see at all?

The existence of something in the universe doesn't hinge on our ability to sense it, but our ability to sense it makes it existent to us. I hope you understand that.

Who am I kidding? You don't.

At 10/10/2009 6:58:56 PM, GodSands wrote:
God and macro evolution.

1. They are both in able to sense.

What does this mean?

2. Both created life.

Evolution did not create life.

3. Both can create anything.

lolz, you really don't understand science.

4. Both become man.

Wait, God became man? Someone's a little arrogant.

5. Both out do each other. (In a perspective from a godly view evolution is a lie, in that Satan started it in Genesis 3:5. And in that, it is an excuse to be sinful. From the other perspective God and Satan are mere mythical explanations which were used when things which are thought to be scientific were not known.)

wut

6. Neither God or macro evolution are scientific.

Except that there is evidence for evolution.

7. Both cannot be proved, since both require an individual mind set.

Evolution is not provable. It is not known whether God is provable, although people have certainly tried.

8. Both are logical, but both cannot be correct. Micro must = macro. Morality must = eternal judgement.

What do you mean by "logical"? Also, how do you support the assertion that morality must "equal" eternal judgment?

There maybe more? But I'll just say this, maths, science and language all need to be in existence at once otherwise none would exist. Maths cannot exist without science, same goes for science, language sustains them both. In the same way, physicality, mentality and spirituality cannot exist without each other. Physicality cannot exist without mentality and like language, spirituality sustains them both.

Math can exist without science. I don't know (or care) about the other connections.

It works like this, as a baby, you see mathematical formulas like a square, and you see science working, only until you start to use language do those things make sense, in mind or out loud.

You see mathematical formulas like a square? What?

In the same sense you cannot understand how and what physicality and mentality is without spirituality. You quite certainly see physicality and understand your thoughts, but you do not know or ever will know where physicality came from or what it is with out spirituality, and without mentality there is not physical matter.

Why is spirituality necessary at all?

"Just because I am not in existence does not mean nothing else is." Yes it does, are you everything or your self? If you are everything, fine, if you are just your self then nothing exists if you do not. Yes not even God. However you do, because you are reading this.

wut

I like this pile-on of intellectuals onto stupidity. It makes me smile. :)

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Godsands, you are now agnostic.

: At 10/11/2009 2:54:57 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

Godsands, you are now agnostic.

No, I believe in God not evolution. All these cooments are quite....shall I say awful?