Guv'ment, and the Education Course

At 4/13/2010 1:22:34 PM, Tamikajones wrote:
I just think everyone should get together and declare a universal language.

At 4/13/2010 1:22:06 PM, Tamikajones wrote:
Math = logic and thus is useful to learn

I think learning Irish is stupid as its not a main dialect and thus is not useful.

It's like learning cursive. 1 year of my life wasted.

At 4/13/2010 1:23:59 PM, Tamikajones wrote:
English, Math, Economics + Personal Investing, Biology

At 4/13/2010 1:19:11 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
[Note for Ragnar, Rezzealaux, Freedo, Reasoning, and other Libertarians upstarts: Tis is presuming the government already has a hand in education, so no "lulz private edumaction guv'ment intervention on economy are bad!"]

I'd like your thoughts on the education courses set-up . In Ireland, 3 core subjects, Maths, English and Irish, are mandatory just up until college. After that, you can choose any subject at whim, so long as the school provides it (Not necessarily, but in most instances).

Anyhow, the subject I have most umbridge with is the fact Irish must be learned, and after that the level of Maths that must be learned.

If the government has ah and in education, should any subjects be mandatory? And should there be a strict syllabus?

Over to you.

At 4/13/2010 1:28:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:23:59 PM, Tamikajones wrote:
English, Math, Economics + Personal Investing, Biology

I think a standardises mah and English test should be mandatory if they aren't to be taken as mandatory subjects. (E.g. An English fluency test and a Maths logic test)

At 4/13/2010 1:36:33 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At least ONE feminism course. Aaand I guess the rest should probably be electives.

At 4/13/2010 1:28:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:23:59 PM, Tamikajones wrote:
English, Math, Economics + Personal Investing, Biology

I think a standardises mah and English test should be mandatory if they aren't to be taken as mandatory subjects. (E.g. An English fluency test and a Maths logic test)

At 4/13/2010 1:39:10 PM, Tamikajones wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:36:33 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At least ONE feminism course. Aaand I guess the rest should probably be electives.

boo

that's sexism. If you have a feminism course you have to have a masulinism course where women are instructed on how to make sammiches.

At 4/13/2010 1:40:53 PM, badger wrote:
what i think is bullsh1t is that we need to have a foreign language for most colleges.

At 4/13/2010 1:41:56 PM, Tamikajones wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:40:53 PM, badger wrote:
what i think is bullsh1t is that we need to have a foreign language for most colleges.

YES

At 4/13/2010 1:34:29 PM, Registered_Trademark wrote:

Random question, do they mandate 1 history course?

At 4/13/2010 1:40:53 PM, badger wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:28:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:23:59 PM, Tamikajones wrote:
English, Math, Economics + Personal Investing, Biology

I think a standardises mah and English test should be mandatory if they aren't to be taken as mandatory subjects. (E.g. An English fluency test and a Maths logic test)

there's pass maths which is easy. and it should be compulsory because it teaches logic. all colleges in Ireland will probably be offering bonus points for maths from next year on so you're moving against the crowd.

i'm kinda for the teaching of irish too, but i'd say i'm a bit biased.

what i think is bullsh1t is that we need to have a foreign language for most colleges.

At 4/13/2010 1:44:52 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:40:53 PM, badger wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:28:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:23:59 PM, Tamikajones wrote:
English, Math, Economics + Personal Investing, Biology

I think a standardises mah and English test should be mandatory if they aren't to be taken as mandatory subjects. (E.g. An English fluency test and a Maths logic test)

there's pass maths which is easy. and it should be compulsory because it teaches logic. all colleges in Ireland will probably be offering bonus points for maths from next year on so you're moving against the crowd.

Yeah, I heard of the extra points going for higher level Maths.

i'm kinda for the teaching of irish too, but i'd say i'm a bit biased.

what i think is bullsh1t is that we need to have a foreign language for most colleges.

Foreign language > Irish. Colleges need to at last recognise this fact.

At 4/13/2010 1:59:07 PM, badger wrote:

they do open up more job opportunities, but i wouldn't say that. irish is our language and i reckon it is important because it teaches you enough so that you might actually be able to understand and appreciate some of the works that have come from your own people. it gives you pride in your country.

At 4/13/2010 2:01:52 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:59:07 PM, badger wrote:

And the government ought to instil a forced sense of patriotism among it's denizens? If the government is going to attempt to do that, they shouldn't pick on one aspect of the culture. Also, they shouldn't take up my valuable time doing so, much less forcing to sit an entire 2 paper exam on why I should be proud of my country.

At 4/13/2010 1:39:10 PM, Tamikajones wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:36:33 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At least ONE feminism course. Aaand I guess the rest should probably be electives.

boo

that's sexism. If you have a feminism course you have to have a masulinism course where women are instructed on how to make sammiches.

At 4/13/2010 2:04:52 PM, theLwerd wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:39:10 PM, Tamikajones wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:36:33 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At least ONE feminism course. Aaand I guess the rest should probably be electives.

boo

that's sexism. If you have a feminism course you have to have a masulinism course where women are instructed on how to make sammiches.

Anyone who takes a feminism course knows that 50% of the course is about masculinity...

At 4/13/2010 1:43:21 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:34:29 PM, Registered_Trademark wrote:

Random question, do they mandate 1 history course?

No, but some weak history is taught in primary school, but most secondary schools do History as mandatory for 3 years.

At 4/13/2010 2:01:52 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:59:07 PM, badger wrote:

they do open up more job opportunities, but i wouldn't say that. irish is our language and i reckon it is important because it teaches you enough so that you might actually be able to understand and appreciate some of the works that have come from your own people. it gives you pride in your country.

And the government ought to instil a forced sense of patriotism among it's denizens? If the government is going to attempt to do that, they shouldn't pick on one aspect of the culture. Also, they shouldn't take up my valuable item doing so, much less forcing to sit an entire 2 paper exam on why I should be proud of my country.

Besides, it's having the opposite desired effect. There's been a drop in students taking it at higher level, and furthermore, there is a mentality of resentment towards the language due to it being mandatory.

At 4/13/2010 2:08:30 PM, Registered_Trademark wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:43:21 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 4/13/2010 1:34:29 PM, Registered_Trademark wrote:

Random question, do they mandate 1 history course?

No, but some weak history is taught in primary school, but most secondary schools do History as mandatory for 3 years.

That sounds awesome! History was my favorite class in high school and it bugs me how ignorant people towards their own history.

At 4/13/2010 1:22:06 PM, Tamikajones wrote:
It's like learning cursive. 1 year of my life wasted.

At 4/13/2010 1:19:11 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
[Note for Ragnar, Rezzealaux, Freedo, Reasoning, and other Libertarians upstarts: Tis is presuming the government already has a hand in education, so no "lulz private edumaction guv'ment intervention on economy are bad!"]

I'd like your thoughts on the education courses set-up . In Ireland, 3 core subjects, Maths, English and Irish, are mandatory just up until college. After that, you can choose any subject at whim, so long as the school provides it (Not necessarily, but in most instances).

Anyhow, the subject I have most umbridge with is the fact Irish must be learned, and after that the level of Maths that must be learned.

If the government has ah and in education, should any subjects be mandatory? And should there be a strict syllabus?

Over to you.