The Mentalist Mafia - DP1

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7/30/2012 2:22:48 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

Why should I role claim?

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7/30/2012 2:24:06 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:22:48 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Why should I role claim?

Because if you don't I won't hesitate to lynch you.

Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.

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7/30/2012 2:24:23 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:24:06 PM, Mestari wrote:
At 7/30/2012 2:22:48 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Why should I role claim?

Because if you don't I won't hesitate to lynch you.

^

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.

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7/30/2012 2:25:22 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:24:06 PM, Mestari wrote:
At 7/30/2012 2:22:48 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Why should I role claim?

Because if you don't I won't hesitate to lynch you.

Well then VTL me.

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
- Ayn Rand

We lose ourselves when we compromise the very ideals that we fight to defend. And we honor those ideals by upholding them not when it's easy, but when it is hard.
- Barack Obama

Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.
- Mahatma Gandhi

Sapere Aude!
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7/30/2012 2:25:39 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:25:22 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Well then VTL me.

I have.

Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.

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7/30/2012 2:27:53 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

I'm surprised you're actually going through with being this dense Apollo. Did you really expect to say you're "part-miller" after drafter claimed miller and not full claim? If you're town, outing your role at the very least keeps it and yourself in the game while not doing so completely removes it. Claim now.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.

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7/30/2012 2:32:01 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

I am thinking that Appollo.11 is 3rd party jester or bomb right now. He must know that if he keeps this behavior up he is going to get lynched.... And all we want is his freaking character claim.

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7/30/2012 2:34:12 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:32:01 PM, TUF wrote:
I am thinking that Appollo.11 is 3rd party jester or bomb right now. He must know that if he keeps this behavior up he is going to get lynched.... And all we want is his freaking character claim.

Personally, I don't care about Jesters and don't consider them if they're lynched. The goal of getting yourself lynched is almost impossible to fail at.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.

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7/30/2012 2:36:24 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

I'm actually not voting, FOSing, or pressuring Apollo. So the indication that I was is ... dun dun dun ... another falsity.

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7/30/2012 2:36:55 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:32:01 PM, TUF wrote:
I am thinking that Appollo.11 is 3rd party jester or bomb right now. He must know that if he keeps this behavior up he is going to get lynched.... And all we want is his freaking character claim.

For the hundredth time, my character claim gives away my role. I have no intention to do that.

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
- Ayn Rand

We lose ourselves when we compromise the very ideals that we fight to defend. And we honor those ideals by upholding them not when it's easy, but when it is hard.
- Barack Obama

Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.
- Mahatma Gandhi

Sapere Aude!
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7/30/2012 2:37:21 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

Im going to work, be back in 8 hours.

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7/30/2012 2:37:41 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

And again, for the hundredth time, I will claim next DP.

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
- Ayn Rand

We lose ourselves when we compromise the very ideals that we fight to defend. And we honor those ideals by upholding them not when it's easy, but when it is hard.
- Barack Obama

Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.
- Mahatma Gandhi

Sapere Aude!
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7/30/2012 2:39:04 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:36:24 PM, drafterman wrote:
I'm actually not voting, FOSing, or pressuring Apollo. So the indication that I was is ... dun dun dun ... another falsity.

Niether are IFLY, BV, or MIG but that didn't stop TUF.

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
- Ayn Rand

We lose ourselves when we compromise the very ideals that we fight to defend. And we honor those ideals by upholding them not when it's easy, but when it is hard.
- Barack Obama

Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.
- Mahatma Gandhi

Sapere Aude!
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7/30/2012 2:39:35 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:36:24 PM, drafterman wrote:
I'm actually not voting, FOSing, or pressuring Apollo. So the indication that I was is ... dun dun dun ... another falsity.

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7/30/2012 2:40:19 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:37:41 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
And again, for the hundredth time, I will claim next DP.

Why.

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7/30/2012 2:54:39 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

P.S. In my Shakugan no Shana game Apollo was the first person to gain pressure DP1 and he immediately turned his status to offline to avoid claiming. I'm sure the mafia's bitching convinced him why that was a bad idea, but it doesn't change the fact that as a mafioso he is squeamish to claim early on.

Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.

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7/30/2012 3:01:32 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 2:54:39 PM, Mestari wrote:
P.S. In my Shakugan no Shana game Apollo was the first person to gain pressure DP1 and he immediately turned his status to offline to avoid claiming. I'm sure the mafia's bitching convinced him why that was a bad idea, but it doesn't change the fact that as a mafioso he is squeamish to claim early on.

That was my very first mafia game. I was about to claim a TP role as I didn't fully understand how the game worked. I also immediately claimed after we had a fake claim ready. I was probably freaking out about being lynched.

Not that it matters. Lynch me for partial role claiming DP1. I somewhat understand why FT let himself be lynched before claiming in 10.3.

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
- Ayn Rand

We lose ourselves when we compromise the very ideals that we fight to defend. And we honor those ideals by upholding them not when it's easy, but when it is hard.
- Barack Obama

Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.
- Mahatma Gandhi

Sapere Aude!
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7/30/2012 3:03:59 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 3:01:32 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Not that it matters. Lynch me for partial role claiming DP1. I somewhat understand why FT let himself be lynched before claiming in 10.3.

No one wants to lynch you if we don't have to. You are putting us in this spot. Why is character claiming so freaking hard?

If you are a 3rd party Jester, you are playing really well right now.

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7/30/2012 3:22:44 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

The DP ended on page 11.

Vote Count

MiG – 1/9 – USM
Budda – 1/9 - HCP
VTNL – 9/9 – drafter, budda, medic, BV, Ifly, TUF, airmax, FT, mestari
Apollo – 1/9 – caveat

No more talking. Night actions ASAP.

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7/30/2012 3:27:55 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

I recommend we play this game the same we played Blaise Industries, by focusing primarily on behavior, and using other kinds of analysis as a secondary factor. I started watching The Mentalist last night, and the key difference between Patrick Jane and the rest of the investigators is that he focuses almost exclusively on his analysis of behavior to catch criminals. I can already tell bluesteel is trying to make the game reflect the show, and that's why he's putting in roles that serve more as a distraction. The point is, we need to focus on behaviors and not get caught up obsessing about characters and roles.

I think we have enough claims for today, so I'm not sure why anyone is still pushing this aggressively for more. The part-miller claim may be scummy, but that's kind of the point. This is a bluesteel game and there are going to be plenty of mislynch targets. I'd rather not out Apollo's character yet, his play is always irrational, and if he does claim, it just makes it easier for mafia to narrow down the list of people who could be Jane or Lisbon. I say we start the DP tomorrow by getting his claim. For now, I'd rather VTNL.

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7/30/2012 3:32:43 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 3:22:44 PM, bluesteel wrote:
The DP ended on page 11.

Vote Count

MiG – 1/9 – USM
Budda – 1/9 - HCP
VTNL – 9/9 – drafter, budda, medic, BV, Ifly, TUF, airmax, FT, mestari
Apollo – 1/9 – caveat

No more talking. Night actions ASAP.

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7/30/2012 3:35:17 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 3:22:44 PM, bluesteel wrote:
The DP ended on page 11.

Vote Count

MiG – 1/9 – USM
Budda – 1/9 - HCP
VTNL – 9/9 – drafter, budda, medic, BV, Ifly, TUF, airmax, FT, mestari
Apollo – 1/9 – caveat

No more talking. Night actions ASAP.

At 7/30/2012 12:18:25 PM, Mestari wrote:
Then you are a miller, not a part-miller. If you have another role you are a miller X, such as a miller cop, not a part-miller part-cop. Unvote. VTL Apollo. I want at least a character if not a role as well.

Either way it's okay.

Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.

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7/30/2012 4:05:47 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 12:03:25 AM, TUF wrote:
MOST LIKELY ANTI TOWN CHARACTERS TO LOOK OUT FOR:

Red John- (He is the ultimate antagonist of the show, and is more than likely the mafia godfather)
Osvaldo Ardiles- (. He is a district attorney, who is supposed to be a good guy, but goes to great lengths to get information on the mafia. These great lengths include convicting an innocent man knowingly of robbery. Most likely 3rd party)
Craig O'Laughlin- (One of Red John's accomplices. most likely mafia)
Timothy Carter- (One of Red John's accomplices who pretends to be Red John, Most likely mafia.)
Lorelei Martins- (not really an accomplice, more of a follower, but still a very "bad" character. Most likely 3rd party)
James Panzer- (Another serial killer, who insults Red John, and is later killed by him. Most likely 3rd party)
Rebecca- (One of Red John's accomplices, Most likely mafia)
Dr. Linus Wagner- (A copycat killer of Red John's. Most likely 3rd party)

MOST LIKELY TOWN CHARACTERS

Virgil Minelli
Madeleine Hightower (This character sounds like she would be a miller candidate, and I wonder if Appollo.11 is Hightower. Hightower is among one of the 5 suspected)
J.J. LaRoche (Wrongly suspected Hightower of murder, possible insane cop)
Gale Bertram (Another of the five suspected)
Susan Darcy
Brenda Shettrick (one of the five suspects)
Kristina Frye
Sam Bosco
Luther Wainwright
Sarah Harrigan
Summer Edgecombe

MINOR POSSIBLE TOWN CHARACTERS; LIKELY FAKE CLAIMS

Donald "Donny" Culpepper
Rosalind Harker- (Blind woman who was in love with Red John, not knowing he was a killer)
Walter Mashburn
Brett Partridge (Really, really, minor)
Bret Stiles

You just compiled a list to help mafia with fake claims. Good job. You're telling the mafia what's okay to claim and what's not okay to claim.

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7/30/2012 4:27:28 PM

Posted: 9 months ago

At 7/30/2012 4:05:47 PM, Hardcore.Pwnography wrote:
You just compiled a list to help mafia with fake claims. Good job. You're telling the mafia what's okay to claim and what's not okay to claim.

The list actually does the opposite. Characters claimed not on that list will be suspected of, and characters on the less likely to be claimed list are risky claims as well. It's puts them in a tough spot because we can call them out before the claims are made. Now the mafia is between a rock and a hard place when trying to claim.

For example, after I posted that list, like 3 people said they are on the "unlikely" list. These players I will be more suspicious of later on when they claim, because they knew right off the bat, that claiming a recurring character would be a problem.

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