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3/16/2012 2:11:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
What would have happened if the French had not entered the American Revolution? I personally think we would have lost because the British would have won Yorktown and most of the later victories were because of the French.
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3/16/2012 2:25:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
We would all be speaking British.
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3/16/2012 2:28:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2012 2:25:06 PM, phantom wrote:
We would all be speaking British.

Actually, I think not. Accents depend on the location, not which country it belongs to. We would still have no contact with Britain.
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3/16/2012 2:34:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Accents aren't dependent on geography they're dependent on how everyone else talks around you.
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3/16/2012 2:57:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2012 2:34:34 PM, phantom wrote:
Accents aren't dependent on geography they're dependent on how everyone else talks around you.

Yes and how everyone else talks around you depends on geography.
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3/16/2012 5:11:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2012 2:57:27 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 3/16/2012 2:34:34 PM, phantom wrote:
Accents aren't dependent on geography they're dependent on how everyone else talks around you.

Yes and how everyone else talks around you depends on geography.

Lol, dude that is just immense circular reasoning.

I am American and currently live in America but most of my friends say I have an English accent.

Someone can be born in American and have a Spanish accent if they grow up around spanish people.

If we were invaded by Russians, 100 years from now we would have close to russian accents. (that is the most applicable analogy.)

Really, how can you believe that a persons accent is dependent on geography?
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3/16/2012 5:29:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2012 5:11:46 PM, phantom wrote:
At 3/16/2012 2:57:27 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 3/16/2012 2:34:34 PM, phantom wrote:
Accents aren't dependent on geography they're dependent on how everyone else talks around you.

Yes and how everyone else talks around you depends on geography.

Lol, dude that is just immense circular reasoning.

I am American and currently live in America but most of my friends say I have an English accent.

Someone can be born in American and have a Spanish accent if they grow up around spanish people.

If we were invaded by Russians, 100 years from now we would have close to russian accents. (that is the most applicable analogy.)

Really, how can you believe that a persons accent is dependent on geography?

Because they are far away from Britain, so their accents would change because of low contact with Britain. If Britain still ruled US, then we would still not have British accents because we are away from the British speaking people.

It goes like this:

1. British people move to US.
2. British people not in contact with Britain for years.
3. British people accents change.

Accents are caused by geography.
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3/16/2012 5:33:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2012 5:29:34 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 3/16/2012 5:11:46 PM, phantom wrote:
At 3/16/2012 2:57:27 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 3/16/2012 2:34:34 PM, phantom wrote:
Accents aren't dependent on geography they're dependent on how everyone else talks around you.

Yes and how everyone else talks around you depends on geography.

Lol, dude that is just immense circular reasoning.

I am American and currently live in America but most of my friends say I have an English accent.

Someone can be born in American and have a Spanish accent if they grow up around spanish people.

If we were invaded by Russians, 100 years from now we would have close to russian accents. (that is the most applicable analogy.)

Really, how can you believe that a persons accent is dependent on geography?

Because they are far away from Britain, so their accents would change because of low contact with Britain. If Britain still ruled US, then we would still not have British accents because we are away from the British speaking people.

It goes like this:

1. British people move to US.
2. British people not in contact with Britain for years.
3. British people accents change.

Accents are caused by geography.

1) Antarctica is a geographic location
2) There are no people in Antarctica
3) There are no accents in Antarctica

Hence accents are cause by people not geography
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3/16/2012 5:36:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
1dustpelt, how could geographic location shape a human characteristic?
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3/16/2012 5:40:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2012 5:29:34 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 3/16/2012 5:11:46 PM, phantom wrote:
At 3/16/2012 2:57:27 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 3/16/2012 2:34:34 PM, phantom wrote:
Accents aren't dependent on geography they're dependent on how everyone else talks around you.

Yes and how everyone else talks around you depends on geography.

Lol, dude that is just immense circular reasoning.

I am American and currently live in America but most of my friends say I have an English accent.

Someone can be born in American and have a Spanish accent if they grow up around spanish people.

If we were invaded by Russians, 100 years from now we would have close to russian accents. (that is the most applicable analogy.)

Really, how can you believe that a persons accent is dependent on geography?

Because they are far away from Britain, so their accents would change because of low contact with Britain. If Britain still ruled US, then we would still not have British accents because we are away from the British speaking people.

It goes like this:

1. British people move to US.
2. British people not in contact with Britain for years.
3. British people accents change.

Accents are caused by geography.

In south africa many people have dutch accents. They have never set foot in Holland. Why is this. BECAUSE THE DUTCH COLONIZED HOLAND YEARS AGO!! Bam argument refuted.
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3/16/2012 5:46:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2012 5:40:00 PM, phantom wrote:
At 3/16/2012 5:29:34 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 3/16/2012 5:11:46 PM, phantom wrote:
At 3/16/2012 2:57:27 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 3/16/2012 2:34:34 PM, phantom wrote:
Accents aren't dependent on geography they're dependent on how everyone else talks around you.

Yes and how everyone else talks around you depends on geography.

Lol, dude that is just immense circular reasoning.

I am American and currently live in America but most of my friends say I have an English accent.

Someone can be born in American and have a Spanish accent if they grow up around spanish people.

If we were invaded by Russians, 100 years from now we would have close to russian accents. (that is the most applicable analogy.)

Really, how can you believe that a persons accent is dependent on geography?

Because they are far away from Britain, so their accents would change because of low contact with Britain. If Britain still ruled US, then we would still not have British accents because we are away from the British speaking people.

It goes like this:

1. British people move to US.
2. British people not in contact with Britain for years.
3. British people accents change.

Accents are caused by geography.

In south africa many people have dutch accents. They have never set foot in Holland. Why is this. BECAUSE THE DUTCH COLONIZED SOUTH AFRICA YEARS AGO!! Bam argument refuted.

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3/16/2012 8:22:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2012 5:36:46 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
1dustpelt, how could geographic location shape a human characteristic?

He does not mean that the terrain and placement of the land has an affect on the accent of its people. By using the term 'geography' he is referring to the relative placement of people within a certain area.

There are two types of geography, physical geography (http://en.wikipedia.org...) and human geography (http://en.wikipedia.org...); he is obviously referring to the latter. If you were born in Russia you would have a Russian accent because of the human geography of Russia. If you were born in America you would have an American accent for the same reason.

Therefore, if one nation conquers another, because the human geography of the conquered nation doesn't change, the accent doesn't change. But if a population of the conquering nation migrated to the conquered nation, then the accent would change because the human geography has changed.

Again, he's not referring to the mountains or rivers having an affect on the accent.
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3/16/2012 8:35:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
In fact, there's even an entire subbranch of human geography titled "Language geography." (http://en.wikipedia.org...)
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3/21/2012 1:01:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I think America would have lost without French help. That would mean considerably more of the British upper class ruling the colonies, controlling education, and so forth. That probably would have slowed the divergence of language, though it would happen eventually.

Australians speak closer to British English than does the U.S. though they are certainly diverging. I think it's because of longer British rule coupled with fewer immigrants from other nations. Canadians speak closer to American English, don't ya know, but that's probably due to the American influence.

I read it takes about a thousand years of isolation for a new language to emerge. Settlement of the islands of Polynesia is dated with the help of clues from language divergence.
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