Nanny State REVALATION

I've noticed that during our nations history we've seen a rediculously large amount of issues crop up from prohibition to gay marriage to labour unions to presedential sex scandals. What I have also noticed is that the only way our govenment seems to be able to solve these problems is take away our personal liberty. The government then told us we'd get them back sometime.

Guess what. THEY LIED. Every time the government has taken a personal liberty for the so called greater good they never give it back.

For example. Say Larry gets drunk and drives home. He crashes and kills some poor widow lady walking her dog. Suddenly all the guys at the bar who knew better than to drink and drive are being forced to use brethalyzers even when they aren't drinking. better yet. Every citizen in the nation is now being forced to do the same thing whether they drink or not, because some bleeding heart polititian caught wind of it and want some publicity. Sounds a little extreme doesn't it.

Well guess again. Hundreds of powerful interest groups are pushing and shoving to have their congressmen do exactly that. Even this day.

Not only that, but it's happening in THOUSANDS of different issues each day. From faty foods to gas prices to workplace rights to.... well..... everything.

I'm guessing that this is a problem and that needs to be remedied. That's easy. VOTE ACCORDINGLY!!!!

At 1/10/2010 3:01:58 PM, resolutionsmasher wrote:
I've noticed that during our nations history we've seen a rediculously large amount of issues crop up from prohibition to gay marriage to labour unions to presedential sex scandals. What I have also noticed is that the only way our govenment seems to be able to solve these problems is take away our personal liberty. The government then told us we'd get them back sometime.

Guess what. THEY LIED. Every time the government has taken a personal liberty for the so called greater good they never give it back.

For example. Say Larry gets drunk and drives home. He crashes and kills some poor widow lady walking her dog. Suddenly all the guys at the bar who knew better than to drink and drive are being forced to use brethalyzers even when they aren't drinking. better yet. Every citizen in the nation is now being forced to do the same thing whether they drink or not, because some bleeding heart polititian caught wind of it and want some publicity. Sounds a little extreme doesn't it.

Well guess again. Hundreds of powerful interest groups are pushing and shoving to have their congressmen do exactly that. Even this day.

Not only that, but it's happening in THOUSANDS of different issues each day. From faty foods to gas prices to workplace rights to.... well..... everything.

I'm guessing that this is a problem and that needs to be remedied. That's easy. VOTE ACCORDINGLY!!!!

Giving breathalysers which take >5 minutes is bad because? They prevent drunk driving and possible death.

Gotta say resolution, I'm not quite sure what you're saying here.

For one, I don't see any possible way that breathilyzers are being "forced" among the citizenry by the state. It is a tool for law enforcement to find out whether or not a crime is being committed (drunk driving), or to actively prevent that crime from taking place. It isn't as if the government is saying "you cannot get drunk anymore," but simply reinforcing a law they already enforce - the law against driving drunk.

Unless you want to legalize drunk driving, which you may, I don't know, this was a pretty bad example. The "nanny state" line refers more to welfare and regulation - I fail to see how enforcing a law that probably 98% of individuals agree should exist without taking away drinking itself is a symptom of "the nanny state."

drastic price increase in cars.
asmatics can't even use one
they don't always work
they are dang easy to cheat. get some random non-drunk guy to blow it, use a balloon to store your own non drunk breath.
it's one more slice off the ol' cheese block we call freedom

take your pick as to why they shouldn't be forced

At 1/10/2010 3:12:10 PM, resolutionsmasher wrote:
drastic price increase in cars.

Not relevant.

asmatics can't even use one

Proof?

they don't always work

Proof?

they are dang easy to cheat. get some random non-drunk guy to blow it, use a balloon to store your own non drunk breath.

Where does someone get a balloon when drunk and driving?

it's one more slice off the ol' cheese block we call freedom

No, if you call freedom a minute spent blowing into a breathalyser you are sadly mistaken.

take your pick as to why they shouldn't be forced

I did.

Do you even know how Breathalysers work?

At 1/10/2010 3:09:35 PM, Volkov wrote:
Gotta say resolution, I'm not quite sure what you're saying here.

For one, I don't see any possible way that breathilyzers are being "forced" among the citizenry by the state. It is a tool for law enforcement to find out whether or not a crime is being committed (drunk driving), or to actively prevent that crime from taking place. It isn't as if the government is saying "you cannot get drunk anymore," but simply reinforcing a law they already enforce - the law against driving drunk.

you're not up on your tech. They can be installed into one's ignition system to not allow a failed tester to start their car for any set period of time.

Unless you want to legalize drunk driving, which you may, I don't know, this was a pretty bad example. The "nanny state" line refers more to welfare and regulation - I fail to see how enforcing a law that probably 98% of individuals agree should exist without taking away drinking itself is a symptom of "the nanny state."

first of all "98%" of individuals don't care to consider things this far (sadly enough). second of all, i don't want to legalize drunk driving. that infringes on the other most important thing besides liberty that we call life. Your rights stop where mine begin. third brethalyzers don't prevent drunk driving as I stated to panda.

At 1/10/2010 3:14:19 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

At 1/10/2010 3:12:10 PM, resolutionsmasher wrote:
they are dang easy to cheat. get some random non-drunk guy to blow it, use a balloon to store your own non drunk breath.

Where does someone get a balloon when drunk and driving?

One stores a balloon with sober breath in the glove compartment.

At 1/10/2010 3:15:09 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Do you even know how Breathalysers work?

yes I do. I'm a physics and chemestry nerd. it's actually pretty simple.

later I'm off to church