Pro Gay Marriage

At 6/13/2012 7:25:04 PM, Aaronroy wrote:

At 6/13/2012 5:22:15 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I am indifferent towards gay marriage but since I no longer oppose it I am for it technically.

I don't care if gays marry. I no longer care. This stems from my views on government marriage but not does not hinge upon them.

+1
Nice to see you coming into the light, my friend. If not proponent, an apathetic behavior towards it will still suffice.

It's masquerade week.

At 6/13/2012 5:22:15 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I am indifferent towards gay marriage but since I no longer oppose it I am for it technically.

I don't care if gays marry. I no longer care. This stems from my views on government marriage but not does not hinge upon them.

Although, doesn't this give you the excuse to still be against the government recognizing gay marriage? Since if the government starts giving equal rights to gay marriage, that is more governmental involvement that you are claiming to be against.

So you could just got out, be 100% government involved gay marriage (meaning the rights and benefits that go with it) and use the excuse that "you want government out of all marriage, so naturally you'd be opposed to government getting in bed with more marriage."

At 6/13/2012 7:29:17 PM, drafterman wrote:

At 6/13/2012 7:25:04 PM, Aaronroy wrote:

At 6/13/2012 5:22:15 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I am indifferent towards gay marriage but since I no longer oppose it I am for it technically.

I don't care if gays marry. I no longer care. This stems from my views on government marriage but not does not hinge upon them.

+1
Nice to see you coming into the light, my friend. If not proponent, an apathetic behavior towards it will still suffice.

It's masquerade week.

Just read that and signed up.

At 6/13/2012 1:40:09 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
Now believe in 85% tax rates for the wealthy and you will officially be one of us!

So you punish success, and reward failure? A little counter intuitive eh?

For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

At 6/13/2012 9:53:03 AM, 16kadams wrote:
Damn

Homophobe/ state lover! Freedom will always win. :P

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

At 6/14/2012 1:03:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

No, you see the Bureaucratic Supermen that rm our government can make SUCH better decisions than you ever would.

At 6/14/2012 1:05:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:03:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

No, you see the Bureaucratic Supermen that rm our government can make SUCH better decisions than you ever would.

Yes because the bureaucratic supermen in the government are totally making great choices when they commit mass murder and totally Fvck up our economy and trample liberty and privacy under foot by thinking up the Patriot Act. :P

At 6/14/2012 1:10:37 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:05:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:03:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

No, you see the Bureaucratic Supermen that rm our government can make SUCH better decisions than you ever would.

Yes because the bureaucratic supermen in the government are totally making great choices when they commit mass murder and totally Fvck up our economy and trample liberty and privacy under foot by thinking up the Patriot Act. :P

You clearly are a bigoted, intolerant, religious maniac that Joy Behar would hate, and are therefore not worth my time.

At 6/14/2012 1:14:03 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:10:37 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:05:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:03:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

No, you see the Bureaucratic Supermen that rm our government can make SUCH better decisions than you ever would.

Yes because the bureaucratic supermen in the government are totally making great choices when they commit mass murder and totally Fvck up our economy and trample liberty and privacy under foot by thinking up the Patriot Act. :P

You clearly are a bigoted, intolerant, religious maniac that Joy Behar would hate, and are therefore not worth my time.

Liberals are against the Patriot Act, lol. It's conservatives who shout "Screw the Constitution! It's not a suicide pact!"

At 6/14/2012 6:50:22 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:14:03 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:10:37 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:05:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:03:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

No, you see the Bureaucratic Supermen that rm our government can make SUCH better decisions than you ever would.

Yes because the bureaucratic supermen in the government are totally making great choices when they commit mass murder and totally Fvck up our economy and trample liberty and privacy under foot by thinking up the Patriot Act. :P

You clearly are a bigoted, intolerant, religious maniac that Joy Behar would hate, and are therefore not worth my time.

Liberals are against the Patriot Act, lol. It's conservatives who shout "Screw the Constitution! It's not a suicide pact!"

I'm a Progressive. Im for the beloved government having power over all.

At 6/14/2012 8:38:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 6:50:22 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:14:03 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:10:37 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:05:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:03:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

No, you see the Bureaucratic Supermen that rm our government can make SUCH better decisions than you ever would.

Yes because the bureaucratic supermen in the government are totally making great choices when they commit mass murder and totally Fvck up our economy and trample liberty and privacy under foot by thinking up the Patriot Act. :P

You clearly are a bigoted, intolerant, religious maniac that Joy Behar would hate, and are therefore not worth my time.

Liberals are against the Patriot Act, lol. It's conservatives who shout "Screw the Constitution! It's not a suicide pact!"

I'm a Progressive. Im for the beloved government having power over all.

Yes, that's exactly what Progressives are for. That's why they want the following:

1. Abolition of the death penalty
2. Repealing the Patriot Act (which was passed by Bush)
3. Freedom of Information
4. Governmental Transparency (supporting WikiLeaks)
5. Increase of civil liberties
6. Flag Burning
7. Reduction of Prosecution abuses (such as hiding evidence that people are innocent and then not being punished for it)
8. Freedom of expression (vis a vis things like flag burning)
9. Keeping government out of religion
10. Giving people the choice of whom they wish to marry instead of forcing our conceptions of marriage on people
11. Letting people choose their religion instead of indoctrinating them in government schools
12. Liberating people of all classes, races, and genders and giving them the freedom to vote, pursue careers, etc. as opposed to restricting some races from doing holding certain jobs and forcing women to stay at home with no education
13. Helping minorities break free from discrimination
14. Decriminalizing drugs so that you can choose whether or not you want to use them and Big Brother doesn't have to choose for you
15. Eradication of anti-sodomy laws
16. Helping people of all religions or non-religions be able to run for office

The list goes on.

Oh, those oppressive progressives who want the government to tell us what to do!

At 6/14/2012 8:48:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 6/14/2012 8:38:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 6:50:22 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:14:03 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:10:37 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:05:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:03:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

No, you see the Bureaucratic Supermen that rm our government can make SUCH better decisions than you ever would.

Yes because the bureaucratic supermen in the government are totally making great choices when they commit mass murder and totally Fvck up our economy and trample liberty and privacy under foot by thinking up the Patriot Act. :P

You clearly are a bigoted, intolerant, religious maniac that Joy Behar would hate, and are therefore not worth my time.

Liberals are against the Patriot Act, lol. It's conservatives who shout "Screw the Constitution! It's not a suicide pact!"

I'm a Progressive. Im for the beloved government having power over all.

Yes, that's exactly what Progressives are for. That's why they want the following:

1. Abolition of the death penalty
2. Repealing the Patriot Act (which was passed by Bush)
3. Freedom of Information
4. Governmental Transparency (supporting WikiLeaks)
5. Increase of civil liberties
6. Flag Burning
7. Reduction of Prosecution abuses (such as hiding evidence that people are innocent and then not being punished for it)
8. Freedom of expression (vis a vis things like flag burning)
9. Keeping government out of religion
10. Giving people the choice of whom they wish to marry instead of forcing our conceptions of marriage on people
11. Letting people choose their religion instead of indoctrinating them in government schools
12. Liberating people of all classes, races, and genders and giving them the freedom to vote, pursue careers, etc. as opposed to restricting some races from doing holding certain jobs and forcing women to stay at home with no education
13. Helping minorities break free from discrimination
14. Decriminalizing drugs so that you can choose whether or not you want to use them and Big Brother doesn't have to choose for you
15. Eradication of anti-sodomy laws
16. Helping people of all religions or non-religions be able to run for office

17. Allow equal access to opportunity so that everyone has a shot at the American Dream.
18. Create a level playing field where everybody follows the same fair rules.

The list goes on.

Oh, those oppressive progressives who want the government to tell us what to do!

At 6/14/2012 10:35:56 AM, Contra wrote:

At 6/14/2012 8:48:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 6/14/2012 8:38:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 6:50:22 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:14:03 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:10:37 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:05:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:03:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

No, you see the Bureaucratic Supermen that rm our government can make SUCH better decisions than you ever would.

Yes because the bureaucratic supermen in the government are totally making great choices when they commit mass murder and totally Fvck up our economy and trample liberty and privacy under foot by thinking up the Patriot Act. :P

You clearly are a bigoted, intolerant, religious maniac that Joy Behar would hate, and are therefore not worth my time.

Liberals are against the Patriot Act, lol. It's conservatives who shout "Screw the Constitution! It's not a suicide pact!"

I'm a Progressive. Im for the beloved government having power over all.

Yes, that's exactly what Progressives are for. That's why they want the following:

1. Abolition of the death penalty
2. Repealing the Patriot Act (which was passed by Bush)
3. Freedom of Information
4. Governmental Transparency (supporting WikiLeaks)
5. Increase of civil liberties
6. Flag Burning
7. Reduction of Prosecution abuses (such as hiding evidence that people are innocent and then not being punished for it)
8. Freedom of expression (vis a vis things like flag burning)
9. Keeping government out of religion
10. Giving people the choice of whom they wish to marry instead of forcing our conceptions of marriage on people
11. Letting people choose their religion instead of indoctrinating them in government schools
12. Liberating people of all classes, races, and genders and giving them the freedom to vote, pursue careers, etc. as opposed to restricting some races from doing holding certain jobs and forcing women to stay at home with no education
13. Helping minorities break free from discrimination
14. Decriminalizing drugs so that you can choose whether or not you want to use them and Big Brother doesn't have to choose for you
15. Eradication of anti-sodomy laws
16. Helping people of all religions or non-religions be able to run for office

17. Allow equal access to opportunity so that everyone has a shot at the American Dream.
18. Create a level playing field where everybody follows the same fair rules.

The list goes on.

Oh, those oppressive progressives who want the government to tell us what to do!

19. Wanting the government to tell us what to buy
20. Having the government regulate our healthcare
21. Raising taxes on the rich because it's "fair"
22. Higher taxes in general to support your social programs
23. Wanting the government to watch what we eat
24. Catering to Unions rather than citizens rights
25. Telling citizens they must join a union

Because that is soooo for hands off government.

Truth is if progressives were as anti-government as they think they'd be libertarians but that isn't the case.

Progressives want government in certain areas of our lives. They demand it. In social areas most of all.

At 6/14/2012 11:10:45 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

At 6/14/2012 10:35:56 AM, Contra wrote:

At 6/14/2012 8:48:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 6/14/2012 8:38:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 6:50:22 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:14:03 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:10:37 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:05:24 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 1:03:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:43:15 AM, OberHerr wrote:

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

In fact, Gay Marriage is far better than the old, non progressive marriage.

Artificial inseminating brave female mothers is a far better option.

After that, we should put them in state run schools, so they don't learn old worn out values that don't fit with the times anymore, in our progressive society. It would also save them from absuive fathers, or in VERY VERY rare cases(and I'm talking like I'm not even 100% this has happened), absuive mothers.

Or you can stop hating freedom, mind your own business, let people make their own choices, and everyone will be happy and coexist..

No, you see the Bureaucratic Supermen that rm our government can make SUCH better decisions than you ever would.

Yes because the bureaucratic supermen in the government are totally making great choices when they commit mass murder and totally Fvck up our economy and trample liberty and privacy under foot by thinking up the Patriot Act. :P

You clearly are a bigoted, intolerant, religious maniac that Joy Behar would hate, and are therefore not worth my time.

Liberals are against the Patriot Act, lol. It's conservatives who shout "Screw the Constitution! It's not a suicide pact!"

I'm a Progressive. Im for the beloved government having power over all.

Yes, that's exactly what Progressives are for. That's why they want the following:

1. Abolition of the death penalty
2. Repealing the Patriot Act (which was passed by Bush)
3. Freedom of Information
4. Governmental Transparency (supporting WikiLeaks)
5. Increase of civil liberties
6. Flag Burning
7. Reduction of Prosecution abuses (such as hiding evidence that people are innocent and then not being punished for it)
8. Freedom of expression (vis a vis things like flag burning)
9. Keeping government out of religion
10. Giving people the choice of whom they wish to marry instead of forcing our conceptions of marriage on people
11. Letting people choose their religion instead of indoctrinating them in government schools
12. Liberating people of all classes, races, and genders and giving them the freedom to vote, pursue careers, etc. as opposed to restricting some races from doing holding certain jobs and forcing women to stay at home with no education
13. Helping minorities break free from discrimination
14. Decriminalizing drugs so that you can choose whether or not you want to use them and Big Brother doesn't have to choose for you
15. Eradication of anti-sodomy laws
16. Helping people of all religions or non-religions be able to run for office

17. Allow equal access to opportunity so that everyone has a shot at the American Dream.
18. Create a level playing field where everybody follows the same fair rules.

The list goes on.

Oh, those oppressive progressives who want the government to tell us what to do!

19. Wanting the government to tell us what to buy

Not really. I don't think progressives have a problem with telling you what to buy. They just want to encourage people to make good decisions. Is there something wrong with forcing manufacturers to tell the truth about their products?

20. Having the government regulate our healthcare

False. They want to expand healthcare and provide it to everyone.

21. Raising taxes on the rich because it's "fair"

It is fair. They have a greater stake in society and thus should preserve it if they want to continue to live in a unequal society.

It's not even a matter of philosophy; it's a practical concern. If the government collapses, we will most likely live in a Socialist society. FDR's programs beat back Socialists who would have taken over the nation if he hadn't made those programs.

22. Higher taxes in general to support your social programs

Obama actually cut taxes. Don't believe me? Google it.

23. Wanting the government to watch what we eat

Really?

How is telling schools that the government funds that they must purchase x, y, and z products making them watch what we eat? It's government money, and they can direct spending as they wish. Ooh, so sad that you didn't get to eat a candy bar for lunch.

Bring your own candy bar to school and eat it.

24. Catering to Unions rather than citizens rights

"Citizens' rights"? Unions promote the well-being of our citizens.

25. Telling citizens they must join a union

Yeah, this one is off. However, it was done as a countermeasure to prevent corporations from telling citizens that they cannot join unions.

Because that is soooo for hands off government.

For the most part is is.

Truth is if progressives were as anti-government as they think they'd be libertarians but that isn't the case.

Progressives want government in certain areas of our lives. They demand it. In social areas most of all.

Are you kidding me? Progressives are social libertarians! Progressives certainly are not responsible for the Patriot Act. Conservatives are.

At 6/14/2012 12:37:29 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:

At 6/13/2012 11:55:20 PM, Aayu wrote:
For me, it would still depend on whether being gay is a perverse sexual transgression or not.

What would it be transgressing? Seriously! Gay Marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

It's not about hurting anyone, it's about accepting it as a problem or not. I'm not a homophobe, I just don't want to jump on a bandwagon. It definitely does not have a genetic basis, IF it is a reversible condition, it's not something you're born with, it's something you acquire. Making it more acceptable would just provide a more conductive environment for more people 'experimenting', which in itself isn't a bad thing- except it is counter productive. I'd like to see more evidence in the science behind this condition before forming an opinion, it seems a lot of it is based on emotional appeal.

Manipulative media FTW :/

At 6/13/2012 1:33:43 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Yes, me, CP is now in favor of gay marriage.

I have been thinking and came to a very libertarian conclusion that marriage, a social institution, should be in NO WAY sanctioned by the government. I don't believe the government should recognize any marriage but instead that marriage needs to be done solely through a third party.

For example:

I can marry my wife through the Lutheran Church.

Doug can marry Dan at Gay Love Shack Emporium

etc

These are social contracts done between two people in the presence of a third party. The government has no business here.

Now, because I don't believe in government sanctioned marriage I no longer care whether gays marry or not and therefore am, in a way, pro gay marriage.

With my anti-government marriage idea we would have to eliminate the tax credits and "marriage rights" currently given but since I'm in favor of a flat tax and the 14th Amendment this isn't such a stretch.

Well, I must say that I'm happy that you support gay marriage now. Good job! :)

At 6/13/2012 1:33:43 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Yes, me, CP is now in favor of gay marriage.

I have been thinking and came to a very libertarian conclusion that marriage, a social institution, should be in NO WAY sanctioned by the government. I don't believe the government should recognize any marriage but instead that marriage needs to be done solely through a third party.

For example:

I can marry my wife through the Lutheran Church.

Doug can marry Dan at Gay Love Shack Emporium

etc

These are social contracts done between two people in the presence of a third party. The government has no business here.

Now, because I don't believe in government sanctioned marriage I no longer care whether gays marry or not and therefore am, in a way, pro gay marriage.

With my anti-government marriage idea we would have to eliminate the tax credits and "marriage rights" currently given but since I'm in favor of a flat tax and the 14th Amendment this isn't such a stretch.

XD What is this magical place?!