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When does individual human life begin?

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11/16/2017 7:25:13 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/16/2017 2:55:10 AM, YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod wrote:
I want to know.

I don't think you do. If I say, for example, 'at conception' would you accept that? If so then you must have already made up you mind. if you don't accept 'at conception' you must think life begins some other time. All you have to do is tell us what you would accept as the beginning.

When "life begins" is not a fact - it is a matter of personal judgement and conscience.
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11/16/2017 3:32:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/16/2017 2:55:10 AM, YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod wrote:
I want to know.

About 8 million years ago.
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11/16/2017 3:49:01 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/16/2017 2:55:10 AM, YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod wrote:
I want to know.

It begins on Tuesday. Usually it's the second Tuesday of the month, but it can be any Tuesday.
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11/16/2017 6:30:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/16/2017 3:32:35 PM, 3RU7AL wrote:
About 8 million years ago.:

That is derived from genetic studies of where apes and human split occured.
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11/16/2017 6:39:38 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/16/2017 7:25:13 AM, keithprosser wrote:

If I say, for example, 'at conception' would you accept that? If so then you must have already made up you mind. if you don't accept 'at conception' you must think life begins some other time. All you have to do is tell us what you would accept as the beginning.:

Good approach by Kieth P, however, he missed the boat, because he forgot she stated "individual" in the topic thread. To be accurate the human is not an individual until that individual has taken their first breath ---INspiration-- of oxygen.

And then the umbilical chord needs to be dissconnected

The sperm and egg become human at conception, but not yet an "indiidual".

When "life begins" is not a fact - it is a matter of personal judgement and conscience.'

Sperm life and egg life are passed to us from the past. We do not know if or where any alledged first or initial life occurred.

If our finite, occupied space Universe exists eternally, then why is not possible that biological/soul life exists eternally?

Or at least why the code --code in systemic structure of space, if not also time--- for such exists eternally.
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11/17/2017 12:00:14 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/16/2017 2:55:10 AM, YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod wrote:
I want to know.

"Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."

"A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."


Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.
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11/17/2017 4:46:41 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/16/2017 2:55:10 AM, YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod wrote:
I want to know.

When did the universe "begin"? Singularity exploding into numerous "cells"...well that's when life begins....
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11/17/2017 2:55:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/16/2017 6:30:09 PM, ebuc wrote:
At 11/16/2017 3:32:35 PM, 3RU7AL wrote:
About 8 million years ago.:

That is derived from genetic studies of where apes and human split occured.

Right, ape million years ago.
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11/17/2017 3:31:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/17/2017 2:55:30 PM, 3RU7AL wrote:
Right, ape million years ago.:

No, the last of my research said the genetic split between apes and humans was 7.5 millions years ago, and that is close to what your original statement stated,.

8 million years ago.

You above ape million years ago counting ape years. :--))
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11/18/2017 1:57:10 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/17/2017 10:15:32 PM, janesix wrote:
At conception.:

Incorrect, see message #6 for correct answer
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11/18/2017 3:03:22 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 1:57:10 AM, ebuc wrote:
At 11/17/2017 10:15:32 PM, janesix wrote:
At conception.:

Incorrect, see message #6 for correct answer

.!. + (0) = 3
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11/18/2017 7:21:56 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/16/2017 3:32:35 PM, 3RU7AL wrote:
At 11/16/2017 2:55:10 AM, YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod wrote:
I want to know.

About 8 million years ago.

Last thursday if you include life on other planets.
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11/18/2017 7:30:57 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 7:21:56 AM, reece wrote:
At 11/16/2017 3:32:35 PM, 3RU7AL wrote:
At 11/16/2017 2:55:10 AM, YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod wrote:
I want to know.

About 8 million years ago.

Last thursday if you include life on other planets.

By the way, if your're serious, homo sapiens developed about 300,000-400,000 years ago.
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11/18/2017 7:39:30 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/17/2017 3:31:39 PM, ebuc wrote:
At 11/17/2017 2:55:30 PM, 3RU7AL wrote:
Right, ape million years ago.:

No, the last of my research said the genetic split between apes and humans was 7.5 millions years ago, and that is close to what your original statement stated,.

8 million years ago.

You above ape million years ago counting ape years. :--))

Humans are apes.
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11/18/2017 2:03:24 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 3:03:22 AM, janesix wrote:
.!. + (0) = 3:

above equals ego based mental blockage to truth.

Sad :--( but typical of 90% of people encounter at DDO
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11/18/2017 2:10:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 7:39:30 AM, reece wrote:
Humans are apes.:

...."In their report in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, Wu and Athreya state that the Chinese skull is almost certainly Homo sapiens.

....Not only that, it appears to be 260,000 years old, predating the earliest known Homo sapiens fossils found in Morocco by 60,000 years".:....

Out of China......http://mysteriousuniverse.org...

'I'm and ape man, I'm ape ape man, i want to sail away to differrent shore, and live like an ape man'....The Kinks....
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11/18/2017 3:15:11 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 2:10:27 PM, ebuc wrote:
At 11/18/2017 7:39:30 AM, reece wrote:
Humans are apes.:

...."In their report in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, Wu and Athreya state that the Chinese skull is almost certainly Homo sapiens.

....Not only that, it appears to be 260,000 years old, predating the earliest known Homo sapiens fossils found in Morocco by 60,000 years".:....

Out of China......http://mysteriousuniverse.org...

Trust Mysterious Universe to deal with science, technology, and spirituality!

Do you know any renowned scientific journals that have published this piece of work?

'I'm and ape man, I'm ape ape man, i want to sail away to differrent shore, and live like an ape man'....The Kinks....

We are great apes, believe me! Ironically, it's true.
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11/18/2017 3:19:01 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 3:15:11 PM, reece wrote:
Do you know any renowned scientific journals that have published this piece of work?:
We are great apes, believe me! Ironically, it's true.:

This is article was posted in another group I'm in. I know nothing of its validity, or not.

Humans have access to absolutes truths, apes, not so much. They may have even less access to relative truths
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11/18/2017 3:45:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 3:19:01 PM, ebuc wrote:
At 11/18/2017 3:15:11 PM, reece wrote:
Do you know any renowned scientific journals that have published this piece of work?:
We are great apes, believe me! Ironically, it's true.:

This is article was posted in another group I'm in. I know nothing of its validity, or not.

Then why post it in the first place?

Humans have access to absolutes truths, apes, not so much. They may have even less access to relative truths

Can you please do some quick reaserch. The human taxonomic family is called hominidae, which are known as great apes. This is objective.
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11/18/2017 3:55:31 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 3:45:33 PM, reece wrote:
Then why post it in the first place? :

If you dont like the info, then dont read it, or discount with, or without rational, logical common sense. Its just some info. You can do some research to decide for yourself whether it is valid.

Even scientist in any field often differ in their oppinons.

Can you please do some quick reaserch. The human taxonomic family is called hominidae, which are known as great apes. This is objective.:

If you have something to offer us, please share.
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11/18/2017 4:28:31 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 3:55:31 PM, ebuc wrote:
At 11/18/2017 3:45:33 PM, reece wrote:
Then why post it in the first place? :

If you dont like the info, then dont read it, or discount with, or without rational, logical common sense. Its just some info. You can do some research to decide for yourself whether it is valid.

Even scientist in any field often differ in their oppinons.

Would you call it rational, logical common sense to not post a link to a website called "Mysterious Universe", which talks about spirituality? You know, if your goal is to gain scientific knowledge.

Didn't you say you are part of that community?

Can you please do some quick reaserch. The human taxonomic family is called hominidae, which are known as great apes. This is objective.:

If you have something to offer us, please share.

Who's 'us'? Do you think you're part of a scientific community?
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11/18/2017 4:42:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 4:28:31 PM, reece wrote:
Would you call it rational, logical common sense to not post a link to a website called "Mysterious Universe", which talks about spirituality? You know, if your goal is to gain scientific knowledge. :

Ditto my last response to you

Didn't you say you are part of that community?:

Huh? What community are you talking about. I use the word group and you go off on irrelevant false projections.

Who's 'us'?:

DDO, dude. Please try and pay attention to what group where in here.

Do you think you're part of a scientific community?:

I'm not a scientist and never claimed to be such. I believe in scientific method and that is based upon not only observation ---which all humans do--- is also based in rational, logical common sense evaluation of the observed data/observations.

Only a rare few here at DDO sometimes follow rational, logical common sense.

Human individual life begins after first IN-spiration of oxygen, and dissconnect from umbilical chord, is the correct answer.
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11/18/2017 5:59:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 4:42:23 PM, ebuc wrote:
At 11/18/2017 4:28:31 PM, reece wrote:
Would you call it rational, logical common sense to not post a link to a website called "Mysterious Universe", which talks about spirituality? You know, if your goal is to gain scientific knowledge. :

Ditto my last response to you

Didn't you say you are part of that community?:

Huh? What community are you talking about. I use the word group and you go off on irrelevant false projections.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you said about another group you're in.

Who's 'us'?:

DDO, dude. Please try and pay attention to what group where in here.

You're the only one I'm debating.

Do you think you're part of a scientific community?:

I'm not a scientist and never claimed to be such. I believe in scientific method and that is based upon not only observation ---which all humans do--- is also based in rational, logical common sense evaluation of the observed data/observations.

Only a rare few here at DDO sometimes follow rational, logical common sense.

Human individual life begins after first IN-spiration of oxygen, and dissconnect from umbilical chord, is the correct answer.

Life is based on potential which means an individuals life doesn't begin, it only develops. Pretty much like everything in the universe.
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11/19/2017 10:42:30 AM
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Human individual life begins after first IN-spiration of oxygen, and dissconnect from umbilical chord, is the correct answer.

Spoken like a non-scientist. Please tell us, mental midget, how a living sperm cell and a living egg cell get together and form a single cell that is not alive? This ought to be good for a laugh.
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11/19/2017 12:40:31 PM
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At 11/19/2017 10:42:30 AM, ViceRegent wrote:
Human individual life begins after first IN-spiration of oxygen, and dissconnect from umbilical chord, is the correct answer.

Spoken like a non-scientist. Please tell us, mental midget, how a living sperm cell and a living egg cell get together and form a single cell that is not alive? This ought to be good for a laugh.

In what context does this make sense?
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11/19/2017 2:18:30 PM
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At 11/19/2017 10:42:30 AM, ViceRegent wrote:
Spoken like a non-scientist. Please tell us, mental midget, how a living sperm cell and a living egg cell get together and form a single cell that is not alive? This ought to be good for a laugh."

You did not state any rational, logical common sense that invalidated my comment.

Please share when you actually have some rational, logical common sense that actually adds to or invalidates my two more posts in this thread.

You do not offer any rational, logical common sense responses to my givens, as stated, because you have none to offer.

Your type is a dime a dozen here at DDO
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11/19/2017 2:29:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2017 5:59:27 PM, reece wrote:
Sorry, I misunderstood what you said about another group you're in.:

Apology accepted. This is why I remind people to read my lips/text.

Life is based on potential which means an individuals life doesn't begin, it only develops. Pretty much like everything in the universe.:

The human fetus begins with conception.

The human individual, and will have to repeat this again, because ego based mental blockage continues to steer peoples irrational, illogical lack of common sense,....

.......begins after the first IN-spiration and the umbilical chord is dissconnected, Until both of those occur, the fetus/baby is an organism of the mother, and no one gets to have any say of what a woman chooses to do with her organism.

It is no surprise to me that ego plays such a large role in irrational, illogical denial of truth. Especially male ego poses the greatest danger to humanity.
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11/19/2017 3:06:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/19/2017 2:29:47 PM, ebuc wrote:
At 11/18/2017 5:59:27 PM, reece wrote:
Sorry, I misunderstood what you said about another group you're in.:

Apology accepted. This is why I remind people to read my lips/text.

Maybe it will be easier if you don't cut the texts so much, for both of us.

Life is based on potential which means an individuals life doesn't begin, it only develops. Pretty much like everything in the universe.:

The human fetus begins with conception.

You're getting off topic. Plus this is just another muddy falsehood slung against the wall.

The human individual, and will have to repeat this again, because ego based mental blockage continues to steer peoples irrational, illogical lack of common sense,....

.......begins after the first IN-spiration and the umbilical chord is dissconnected, Until both of those occur, the fetus/baby is an organism of the mother, and no one gets to have any say of what a woman chooses to do with her organism.

It is no surprise to me that ego plays such a large role in irrational, illogical denial of truth. Especially male ego poses the greatest danger to humanity.

Um, this is also off topic. Maybe I'll discuss this another time with you.