The Fool: That is because you have alot of theolgin teaching who taking advantage of the Big Bang theory to assert good. But science doesn't even say that, its says he universe was a singulare concentration. That is all matter in one ball. Not non-existent. No-body else in the world things that. In only in the US because of the high rate of Religious fundemenalism which is most likely directly related to the Low educational success rate. Becuse theology doesn't make Rational sense. They are corrupting the children minds Ren and this is a realiy. America is going to have to face eventually.
Ren: You know, I did study theology, but some years ago. My theological studies waned to a stop sometime around 2007 or so. I have since been far more into physics.
Ren: I never averred that the "Big Bang Theory asserts good." Wtf is that, it doesn't make any sense.
The Fool: we should even be taking about such that it was orignal a thread about post-modernism. Its you who took the conversation to Kant and then to science. You made it wierd. Like I said I think your definition or not in tune with most people, so you think you are having the conversation with me but you are talking about something completly different. I notice that keeps happening.
Ren: As far as a singularity is concerned -- whether there was "existence" during this singularity
The Fool: it has always mean to be one condenced solid mass Ren. People, particlurly Theologians have been distorting the truth. THERE IS NO ACTUAL SCIENTFIC INFORMATION SAYING THAT MATTER DIDNT EXIST. Its been Made up Ren. Its a myth Go look for your self in any GENUINE aka direct and non-corrupted source. The is nothing and there has been nothing about non-existence. its was a metaphore meaning in comparison of how we see our universe today.
Ren: I suppose it depends what you figure "existence" is. Is it anything at all? If one atom exists, does that mean that we have the reality as we know it now?
The Fool: non-existence DOESN"T EXIST. That is not a double negative like -1 X -1= 1 Its 0 X 0=0
We have all of existence, rationally equivalent to the Universe we're referencing?
What exist exist, what IS IS, The universe is suppose to refer to ALL that exist. Science took that meaning and changed it too only meaning phyiscal reality(sense informaton) and then theology stepped only to take avantage of The big bang. But remember Thre is NO Universe in the original BIble. IN the bible God just created the earth and the sun. They are twisting the word to keep up with modernization. ITs FAKE.
I mean, that's all I'm saying.
Last, to approach your "corruption" jazz.
Here's how I see that. Religion, it has been used like so many other things to corrupt, abuse, and distract.
The Fool: You are right Ren But it hasnt' changed at all Ren. Its the same, its still currupt Ren notice How Osama wasn't Muslim after he did a Majore crime, its the same with Hitler Ren. They purposly erase that out of History.
However, there will always be things like that.
The Fool: no Ren its not other things, its the same thing, it alway politics and Religion, its the same.
On the other hand, religion still has the potential to foster (somewhat/mostly) functional moral system and give a general understanding of reality.
The Fool: Ren it has alway been bad, always, Look at all of the countries that didnt' have secularization, there people are suffering Ren, the are suffering because its irrational.
Religion tell us that we are evile and weak and immoral by nature. But this cause people to actually believe that and then they become evil because they belief that garbage. This justifies people to do hanous crimes and then its okay because they can just say its in there immoral Human Nature and as God for forgiveness. That is one of the major source of creating evil people Red. We are not all bad, I am not religious and I have very strong moral. Think of it you have to already know what is good in heart. Before you could understand the word moral, or The good. Or it would just sound like nonsense. We have to get out of this subjective garbage if we are going to progress, as Humanity. If God is Good. He will be there when we get there whether you believe in him or not. Just think do you think God as good will send most of the world to eternal Hell for not even being able to belief in him, Think about that most of the population in the world is asian. Who are hardly Christian, in fact they are the least religios, they tend to be more traditional but not God believing. do you think god is and has been harming all those people. No way.
What is there is a good God and judges you on actaully being Good in nature not a book at all. what are you going to do.?
but there is alot of work to be done for the good of humanity NOW! While you are alive, in this world.
This world is for sure, you are here now. But the next one isn't make sure you do good for people now.
"All the same, it could be that I am mistaken, and what I take for Gold and Diamonds is perhaps nothing but a bit of copper and glass."
"I know how much we are prone to err in what affects us, and also" Rene Descartes