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Has Trump proved he is not a NAZI ?

xus00HAY
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12/29/2017 4:40:35 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
While looking over the new 1.2 billion dollar headquarters they built in Brussels, Trump appeared to piss off Angela Merkel more than the other European leaders there.
You would think any other German - American would think it was really cool to meet the chancellor.
You would think he would at least be thankful to her for helping helping him and all those other right wing guys get elected there.
PoliticalAIm
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12/31/2017 12:17:58 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 12/29/2017 4:40:35 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
While looking over the new 1.2 billion dollar headquarters they built in Brussels, Trump appeared to piss off Angela Merkel more than the other European leaders there.
You would think any other German - American would think it was really cool to meet the chancellor.
You would think he would at least be thankful to her for helping helping him and all those other right wing guys get elected there.

I think you have this backwards. It isn't so much that Trump has to prove he is a Nazi, I think it is more so that the left has to prove such. There isn't much evidence to support it. Trump doesn't have Utopian ideals, hasn't sought to purge other classes from their lands to make room for Germans, doesn't subscribe to counter-Enlightenment ideologies such as socialism, hasn't modified socialism to be race class based instead of economic class based, hasn't invaded Poland, let his daughter marry a Jewish man, let his campaign be ran by a Jewish man, hasn't bombed London, married a Slavic woman, hasn't invaded Russia, embraces individualism, limits government, allows legal immigration, hasn't changed citizenship to jus sanguinis, was democratically elected, doesn't control a consolidated party, doesn't rule Germany, hasn't killed anyone... etc. etc. etc.

You do realize how silly you sound, right? All I read above was "Everyone that disagrees with me is a NAZI." lol.
perrydyl
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12/31/2017 1:23:25 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
I would say he is without a doubt not a nazi. However, I harken back to this saying I heard a while ago: not all trump supporters are racist, but all racists are trump supporters. I feel that the same can be applied to those that would identify as nazis or neo-nazis(whatever they want to be called).

This leads me to believe that Trump realizes this, and instead of alienating them he panders to that part of his base without overtly supporting them. I am reminded of the comment, "There are bad people on both sides". Is this true? Most likely. Was that conference the time or place to say that? No. There are bad people on both sides but I think it's safe to say one side likely has worse people than the other. In my opinion a die-hard nazi is much worse than someone who wants to hurt die-hard nazis.

TL;dr - Trump is not horribly racist, but some of his supporters are and he likely feels he has to keep their support.
PoliticalAIm
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12/31/2017 3:29:40 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 12/31/2017 1:23:25 PM, perrydyl wrote:
I would say he is without a doubt not a nazi. However, I harken back to this saying I heard a while ago: not all trump supporters are racist, but all racists are trump supporters. I feel that the same can be applied to those that would identify as nazis or neo-nazis(whatever they want to be called).

This leads me to believe that Trump realizes this, and instead of alienating them he panders to that part of his base without overtly supporting them. I am reminded of the comment, "There are bad people on both sides". Is this true? Most likely. Was that conference the time or place to say that? No. There are bad people on both sides but I think it's safe to say one side likely has worse people than the other. In my opinion a die-hard nazi is much worse than someone who wants to hurt die-hard nazis.
Replace racial class with social class based on diverse feminism and you have the same thing as Nazism, just called Antifa. In fact, from what I have read, this is exactly what Hitler did in the first place. That why it is National Socialism. Considering that left wing student groups have made their mark in history as revolutionary terrorist groups in the 60s, I think it's safe to say that they are as dangerous as neo-Nazis, and that support for communism / Marxism is as evil as support for Nazism. Just look at the death tolls...

TL;dr - Trump is not horribly racist, but some of his supporters are and he likely feels he has to keep their support.
Bennett91
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12/31/2017 7:04:17 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 12/31/2017 3:29:40 PM, PoliticalAIm wrote:

Replace racial class with social class based on diverse feminism and you have the same thing as Nazism, just called Antifa. In fact, from what I have read, this is exactly what Hitler did in the first place. That why it is National Socialism. Considering that left wing student groups have made their mark in history as revolutionary terrorist groups in the 60s, I think it's safe to say that they are as dangerous as neo-Nazis, and that support for communism / Marxism is as evil as support for Nazism. Just look at the death tolls...

It's like every out of touch conservative talking point rolled up into one ignorant comment! So Trump isn't Hitler because he didn't kill anyone or invade Poland - but ANTIFA is as dangerous as neo-nazis. As if it's the ANTIFA folks driving cars into crowds and shooting up churches. Go back to watching Fox News old man.
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12/31/2017 10:00:16 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 12/31/2017 7:04:17 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 12/31/2017 3:29:40 PM, PoliticalAIm wrote:

Replace racial class with social class based on diverse feminism and you have the same thing as Nazism, just called Antifa. In fact, from what I have read, this is exactly what Hitler did in the first place. That why it is National Socialism. Considering that left wing student groups have made their mark in history as revolutionary terrorist groups in the 60s, I think it's safe to say that they are as dangerous as neo-Nazis, and that support for communism / Marxism is as evil as support for Nazism. Just look at the death tolls...

It's like every out of touch conservative talking point rolled up into one ignorant comment! So Trump isn't Hitler because he didn't kill anyone or invade Poland - but ANTIFA is as dangerous as neo-nazis. As if it's the ANTIFA folks driving cars into crowds and shooting up churches. Go back to watching Fox News old man.
Lol listen to yourself. Trump is LITERALLY Hitler. Trump isn't Hitler. You sound the same as conservatives who say Obama was a Muslim / Foreigner / Secret Communist.
Quadrunner
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12/31/2017 10:20:52 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 12/31/2017 7:04:17 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 12/31/2017 3:29:40 PM, PoliticalAIm wrote:

Replace racial class with social class based on diverse feminism and you have the same thing as Nazism, just called Antifa. In fact, from what I have read, this is exactly what Hitler did in the first place. That why it is National Socialism. Considering that left wing student groups have made their mark in history as revolutionary terrorist groups in the 60s, I think it's safe to say that they are as dangerous as neo-Nazis, and that support for communism / Marxism is as evil as support for Nazism. Just look at the death tolls...

It's like every out of touch conservative talking point rolled up into one ignorant comment! So Trump isn't Hitler because he didn't kill anyone or invade Poland - but ANTIFA is as dangerous as neo-nazis. As if it's the ANTIFA folks driving cars into crowds and shooting up churches. Go back to watching Fox News old man.

I'm not real worried about Antifa as a physical threat for now but it should be rediculed to hell imo. That ideology is a horrible thing and who knows what thought will emerge from people influenced by it. Groups dont need to weaponize to have potentially wreak havoc either once they start trying to get a checkmate through the government.
Bennett91
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1/1/2018 2:13:45 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 12/31/2017 10:00:16 PM, PoliticalAIm wrote:
At 12/31/2017 7:04:17 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 12/31/2017 3:29:40 PM, PoliticalAIm wrote:

Replace racial class with social class based on diverse feminism and you have the same thing as Nazism, just called Antifa. In fact, from what I have read, this is exactly what Hitler did in the first place. That why it is National Socialism. Considering that left wing student groups have made their mark in history as revolutionary terrorist groups in the 60s, I think it's safe to say that they are as dangerous as neo-Nazis, and that support for communism / Marxism is as evil as support for Nazism. Just look at the death tolls...

It's like every out of touch conservative talking point rolled up into one ignorant comment! So Trump isn't Hitler because he didn't kill anyone or invade Poland - but ANTIFA is as dangerous as neo-nazis. As if it's the ANTIFA folks driving cars into crowds and shooting up churches. Go back to watching Fox News old man.
Lol listen to yourself. Trump is LITERALLY Hitler. Trump isn't Hitler. You sound the same as conservatives who say Obama was a Muslim / Foreigner / Secret Communist.

Put on your reading glasses old timer. I didn't say Trump was literally Hitler. I didn't even say he was like Hitler, even though they do have some shared traits. And If you're going to pretend I'm on par with the kind of conservative that calls Obama a Muslim then you have to acknowledge such behavior is Presidential - which used to be a compliment anyways.
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PoliticalAIm
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1/1/2018 2:17:54 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 1/1/2018 2:13:45 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:00:16 PM, PoliticalAIm wrote:
At 12/31/2017 7:04:17 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 12/31/2017 3:29:40 PM, PoliticalAIm wrote:

Replace racial class with social class based on diverse feminism and you have the same thing as Nazism, just called Antifa. In fact, from what I have read, this is exactly what Hitler did in the first place. That why it is National Socialism. Considering that left wing student groups have made their mark in history as revolutionary terrorist groups in the 60s, I think it's safe to say that they are as dangerous as neo-Nazis, and that support for communism / Marxism is as evil as support for Nazism. Just look at the death tolls...

It's like every out of touch conservative talking point rolled up into one ignorant comment! So Trump isn't Hitler because he didn't kill anyone or invade Poland - but ANTIFA is as dangerous as neo-nazis. As if it's the ANTIFA folks driving cars into crowds and shooting up churches. Go back to watching Fox News old man.
Lol listen to yourself. Trump is LITERALLY Hitler. Trump isn't Hitler. You sound the same as conservatives who say Obama was a Muslim / Foreigner / Secret Communist.

Put on your reading glasses old timer. I didn't say Trump was literally Hitler. I didn't even say he was like Hitler, even though they do have some shared traits. And If you're going to pretend I'm on par with the kind of conservative that calls Obama a Muslim then you have to acknowledge such behavior is Presidential - which used to be a compliment anyways.
Right, so he is a Nazi. What shared traits does Trump have with Hitler?
Bennett91
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1/1/2018 2:30:42 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 1/1/2018 2:17:54 AM, PoliticalAIm wrote:

Right, so he is a Nazi.

Again, your words not mine.

What shared traits does Trump have with Hitler?

Both are virulent right wing populists/nationalists.
Both are noted narcissists.
Both capitalized on xenophobia. For example Hitler published and sensationalized the crimes of jews to national attention to stir up hatred, Trump does the same with illegals [http://www.independent.co.uk...]
Both lied a lot.
Both portrayed themselves as the only possible solution to the crisis at hand. [https://www.youtube.com...]
Both hate communism.
Both thought themselves as military commanders when clearly neither were qualified.
Both take an anti-LGBT stance.
Both openly professed to be Christians despite being terrible examples of Christianity.

Want more?
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Ramshutu
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1/3/2018 1:44:46 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 12/29/2017 4:40:35 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
While looking over the new 1.2 billion dollar headquarters they built in Brussels, Trump appeared to piss off Angela Merkel more than the other European leaders there.
You would think any other German - American would think it was really cool to meet the chancellor.
You would think he would at least be thankful to her for helping helping him and all those other right wing guys get elected there.

0 people of note say Trump is Nazi.

This makes you argument a straw man/red herring.
PoliticalAIm
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1/3/2018 5:10:30 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 1/1/2018 2:30:42 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 1/1/2018 2:17:54 AM, PoliticalAIm wrote:

Right, so he is a Nazi.

Again, your words not mine.

What shared traits does Trump have with Hitler?

Both are virulent right wing populists/nationalists.
All modern states are nation states, the U.N. reinforces this norm through its membership process. You're confusing nationalism with superior race based ethnic nationalism, but nice try.
Both are noted narcissists.
Says Don Lemon?
Both capitalized on xenophobia. For example Hitler published and sensationalized the crimes of jews to national attention to stir up hatred, Trump does the same with illegals [http://www.independent.co.uk...]
Every party has taken a strong position against illegal immigration up until recently.

"I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in." - Hillary

https://www.youtube.com...
Both lied a lot.
Bernie, Hillary, Obama, Bill... tons of lies, also must be Hitler?
Both portrayed themselves as the only possible solution to the crisis at hand. [https://www.youtube.com...]
Every campaign in the world ever... when someone is running for something they obviously say that they're the only way things will change. No one goes to a debate and says "well I think I'd be good, but so would Jeb"

Both hate communism.
Anyone who has ever stood in a bread line also hates communism...
Both thought themselves as military commanders when clearly neither were qualified.
Is the President not the commander? Did Obama believe he was the President? Was a community organizer qualified? Trump put his trust in a loved Marine General, hardly sounds like he is trying to reign in on being a supreme commander.
Both take an anti-LGBT stance.
Literally everyone before 1980s did, for the ENTIRE world. Currently, various states in the world still kill men for being gay. Yet Trump isn't anti-LGBT. That is just conjecture.
Both openly professed to be Christians despite being terrible examples of Christianity.
All Christians.

Want more?
Yeah bro how about something that makes sense.
Bennett91
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1/3/2018 10:42:55 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 1/3/2018 5:10:30 PM, PoliticalAIm wrote:
At 1/1/2018 2:30:42 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 1/1/2018 2:17:54 AM, PoliticalAIm wrote:

Right, so he is a Nazi.

Again, your words not mine.

What shared traits does Trump have with Hitler?

Both are virulent right wing populists/nationalists.
All modern states are nation states, the U.N. reinforces this norm through its membership process. You're confusing nationalism with superior race based ethnic nationalism, but nice try.

Both are nationalism, both Trump and Hitler pointed out who cannot be part of the nation. Nice try.

Both are noted narcissists.
Says Don Lemon?

Says professional psychologists.

Both capitalized on xenophobia. For example Hitler published and sensationalized the crimes of jews to national attention to stir up hatred, Trump does the same with illegals [http://www.independent.co.uk...]
Every party has taken a strong position against illegal immigration up until recently.

Lulz

"I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in." - Hillary

https://www.youtube.com...

Good thing we're not talking about Hilary huh? Please put away your Soviets guide to debate.

Both lied a lot.
Bernie, Hillary, Obama, Bill... tons of lies, also must be Hitler?

When has Bernie lied? And none of those people lie as regularly and with lies so easily disproven as Trump. He probably lies more often than Hitler did.

Both portrayed themselves as the only possible solution to the crisis at hand. [https://www.youtube.com...]
Every campaign in the world ever... when someone is running for something they obviously say that they're the only way things will change. No one goes to a debate and says "well I think I'd be good, but so would Jeb"

Bernie never pretended to be the only person who can solve problems. He's always said he'd need support. You're just playing whataboutism.

Both hate communism.
Anyone who has ever stood in a bread line also hates communism...

You just asked for shared traits, and that's one of them.

Both thought themselves as military commanders when clearly neither were qualified.
Is the President not the commander? Did Obama believe he was the President? Was a community organizer qualified? Trump put his trust in a loved Marine General, hardly sounds like he is trying to reign in on being a supreme commander.

Obama isn't the one who said he knew more than the generals, he didn't say he'd defeat ISIS in a year. Trump is an armchair general that likes to pretend and the US voter was stupid enough to indulge his fantasy.

Both take an anti-LGBT stance.
Literally everyone before 1980s did, for the ENTIRE world. Currently, various states in the world still kill men for being gay. Yet Trump isn't anti-LGBT. That is just conjecture.

WOW SO THAT MAKES IT OK! EVERYONE WAS A RACIST BACK THEN SO ITS OK TRUMP IS RACIST TOO! Literally? Ha, so pathetic. Bernie was never anti-lgbt. And Trump is anti-lgbt. From banning trying to ban trans people from the military, disbanding the AIDS council, to Sessions making it clear gays would not be protected by his DOJ if they are fired for their sexuality. You're either a complete liar or just preferred ignorant.

Both openly professed to be Christians despite being terrible examples of Christianity.
All Christians.

Want more?
Yeah bro how about something that makes sense.

You do seem like the kind of D bag to use the term bro unironically.
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