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Why I oppose abortion.

KJVPrewrather
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12/31/2017 9:33:43 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Pure self interest. I used to be a fetus. I believe I had, have, and will have the right to live from the moment of my conception. Selfish? Maybe, but so is abortion, peace.
Eye_of_the_Needle
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12/31/2017 10:08:52 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 12/31/2017 9:33:43 PM, KJVPrewrather wrote:
Pure self interest. I used to be a fetus. I believe I had, have, and will have the right to live from the moment of my conception. Selfish? Maybe, but so is abortion, peace.

I believe abortion is a terrible mistake for any woman to make, for many reasons. But The abortion issue isn't about being "against" or "opposing" the action of abortion, it is about whether you support police action against people who do make the mistake of carrying through with this act. It isn't about funding or hospitals or planned parenthood. It's about a woman being put in prison. Do you want to put her in prison?
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12/31/2017 10:13:49 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 12/31/2017 10:08:52 PM, Eye_of_the_Needle wrote:
At 12/31/2017 9:33:43 PM, KJVPrewrather wrote:
Pure self interest. I used to be a fetus. I believe I had, have, and will have the right to live from the moment of my conception. Selfish? Maybe, but so is abortion, peace.

I believe abortion is a terrible mistake for any woman to make, for many reasons. But The abortion issue isn't about being "against" or "opposing" the action of abortion, it is about whether you support police action against people who do make the mistake of carrying through with this act. It isn't about funding or hospitals or planned parenthood. It's about a woman being put in prison. Do you want to put her in prison?

It's about the doctors and industry...No reason to criminalize it.
Eye_of_the_Needle
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12/31/2017 10:21:02 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 12/31/2017 10:13:49 PM, Quadrunner wrote:

It's about the doctors and industry...No reason to criminalize it.

I don't get the impression from the Christian right that they are satisfied in just defunding it and letting woman find other ways of getting the job done. It's similar to drugs, it isn't enough to attack the ability to produce it, you have to take the next step and punish those who engage in the act if you really intend to protect the (what they consider a) person inside her stomach. If you kill a person that's murder. Sure, it could be considered something less than murder, but we are still probably talking about prison time.
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Quadrunner
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12/31/2017 10:28:28 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 12/31/2017 10:21:02 PM, Eye_of_the_Needle wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:13:49 PM, Quadrunner wrote:

It's about the doctors and industry...No reason to criminalize it.

I don't get the impression from the Christian right that they are satisfied in just defunding it and letting woman find other ways of getting the job done. It's similar to drugs, it isn't enough to attack the ability to produce it, you have to take the next step and punish those who engage in the act if you really intend to protect the (what they consider a) person inside her stomach. If you kill a person that's murder. Sure, it could be considered something less than murder, but we are still probably talking about prison time.

We'd have to give up being a free country for that kind of action. Kinda scary to think what those politics would be like.
dylancatlow
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12/31/2017 10:40:01 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
What does this argument add to the debate, when it's based on the same assumptions that the standard arguments are based on? Moreover, it's false that you oppose abortion merely out of self-interest, unless you're saying that you don't oppose the killing of other people.
xus00HAY
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12/31/2017 11:24:25 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
You made the right choice, life sucks, by getting aborted you avoid all the bad things that would that would have happened during your life. This also stoops you from doing harm to any one else.
PoliticalAIm
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1/1/2018 12:38:17 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 12/31/2017 10:28:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:21:02 PM, Eye_of_the_Needle wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:13:49 PM, Quadrunner wrote:

It's about the doctors and industry...No reason to criminalize it.

I don't get the impression from the Christian right that they are satisfied in just defunding it and letting woman find other ways of getting the job done. It's similar to drugs, it isn't enough to attack the ability to produce it, you have to take the next step and punish those who engage in the act if you really intend to protect the (what they consider a) person inside her stomach. If you kill a person that's murder. Sure, it could be considered something less than murder, but we are still probably talking about prison time.

We'd have to give up being a free country for that kind of action. Kinda scary to think what those politics would be like.
Oh no you're not free to kill someone anymore, how bold of the government. Lol.
Quadrunner
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1/1/2018 12:55:26 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 1/1/2018 12:38:17 AM, PoliticalAIm wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:28:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:21:02 PM, Eye_of_the_Needle wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:13:49 PM, Quadrunner wrote:

It's about the doctors and industry...No reason to criminalize it.

I don't get the impression from the Christian right that they are satisfied in just defunding it and letting woman find other ways of getting the job done. It's similar to drugs, it isn't enough to attack the ability to produce it, you have to take the next step and punish those who engage in the act if you really intend to protect the (what they consider a) person inside her stomach. If you kill a person that's murder. Sure, it could be considered something less than murder, but we are still probably talking about prison time.

We'd have to give up being a free country for that kind of action. Kinda scary to think what those politics would be like.
Oh no you're not free to kill someone anymore, how bold of the government. Lol.

Well, I respect that there are anti-choice arguments in case of regulation, but you are more than allowed to kill someone when it comes to your body. The government can take a hike.
Inconvenient_Truth
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1/1/2018 12:57:30 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 12/31/2017 11:24:25 PM, xus00HAY wrote:
You made the right choice, life sucks, by getting aborted you avoid all the bad things that would that would have happened during your life. This also stoops you from doing harm to any one else.

Does this argument support murdering any person, at any age? Perhaps it's never too late to put someone out of their misery, as you are supposing.
PoliticalAIm
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1/1/2018 12:58:02 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 1/1/2018 12:55:26 AM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 1/1/2018 12:38:17 AM, PoliticalAIm wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:28:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:21:02 PM, Eye_of_the_Needle wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:13:49 PM, Quadrunner wrote:

It's about the doctors and industry...No reason to criminalize it.

I don't get the impression from the Christian right that they are satisfied in just defunding it and letting woman find other ways of getting the job done. It's similar to drugs, it isn't enough to attack the ability to produce it, you have to take the next step and punish those who engage in the act if you really intend to protect the (what they consider a) person inside her stomach. If you kill a person that's murder. Sure, it could be considered something less than murder, but we are still probably talking about prison time.

We'd have to give up being a free country for that kind of action. Kinda scary to think what those politics would be like.
Oh no you're not free to kill someone anymore, how bold of the government. Lol.

Well, I respect that there are anti-choice arguments in case of regulation, but you are more than allowed to kill someone when it comes to your body. The government can take a hike.
My point is that we live in a country where you can go to prison for having a little weed, but that you think making it illegal to take away a human life will affect our freedom.
Quadrunner
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1/1/2018 2:05:15 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 1/1/2018 12:58:02 AM, PoliticalAIm wrote:
At 1/1/2018 12:55:26 AM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 1/1/2018 12:38:17 AM, PoliticalAIm wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:28:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:21:02 PM, Eye_of_the_Needle wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:13:49 PM, Quadrunner wrote:

It's about the doctors and industry...No reason to criminalize it.

I don't get the impression from the Christian right that they are satisfied in just defunding it and letting woman find other ways of getting the job done. It's similar to drugs, it isn't enough to attack the ability to produce it, you have to take the next step and punish those who engage in the act if you really intend to protect the (what they consider a) person inside her stomach. If you kill a person that's murder. Sure, it could be considered something less than murder, but we are still probably talking about prison time.

We'd have to give up being a free country for that kind of action. Kinda scary to think what those politics would be like.
Oh no you're not free to kill someone anymore, how bold of the government. Lol.

Well, I respect that there are anti-choice arguments in case of regulation, but you are more than allowed to kill someone when it comes to your body. The government can take a hike.
My point is that we live in a country where you can go to prison for having a little weed, but that you think making it illegal to take away a human life will affect our freedom.

Sure I do, and federal law that doesnt pertain to commerce is not valid. Schedule 1 drug policy is a 10th amendment challenge waiting to happen. When the feds ask how you got it by the 5th the answer should be dindu muffin. On your way now.
Bennett91
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1/1/2018 2:18:54 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 12/31/2017 9:33:43 PM, KJVPrewrather wrote:
Pure self interest. I used to be a fetus. I believe I had, have, and will have the right to live from the moment of my conception. Selfish? Maybe, but so is abortion, peace.

If your motive was pure self interest you wouldn't care about abortion because you can't be aborted.
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Quadrunner
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1/1/2018 2:24:17 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 1/1/2018 2:18:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 12/31/2017 9:33:43 PM, KJVPrewrather wrote:
Pure self interest. I used to be a fetus. I believe I had, have, and will have the right to live from the moment of my conception. Selfish? Maybe, but so is abortion, peace.

If your motive was pure self interest you wouldn't care about abortion because you can't be aborted.

Yeah, seems like you have to be arguing from a perspective transcending time for this one. Not exactly conventional.
Quadrunner
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1/1/2018 3:09:02 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 1/1/2018 12:58:02 AM, PoliticalAIm wrote:
At 1/1/2018 12:55:26 AM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 1/1/2018 12:38:17 AM, PoliticalAIm wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:28:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:21:02 PM, Eye_of_the_Needle wrote:
At 12/31/2017 10:13:49 PM, Quadrunner wrote:

It's about the doctors and industry...No reason to criminalize it.

I don't get the impression from the Christian right that they are satisfied in just defunding it and letting woman find other ways of getting the job done. It's similar to drugs, it isn't enough to attack the ability to produce it, you have to take the next step and punish those who engage in the act if you really intend to protect the (what they consider a) person inside her stomach. If you kill a person that's murder. Sure, it could be considered something less than murder, but we are still probably talking about prison time.

We'd have to give up being a free country for that kind of action. Kinda scary to think what those politics would be like.
Oh no you're not free to kill someone anymore, how bold of the government. Lol.

Well, I respect that there are anti-choice arguments in case of regulation, but you are more than allowed to kill someone when it comes to your body. The government can take a hike.
My point is that we live in a country where you can go to prison for having a little weed, but that you think making it illegal to take away a human life will affect our freedom.

I mean, wake up. The Fed isn't targeting culture without justification for the good of mankind. It's violating rights. Hell, didn't Nixon come clean with it some time back? That's a problem to be solved, not an excuse to make more problems. The reality that certain groups can be targeted like this is why we need to always preserve the constitution and only alter it through a legitimate process of Amendment. Without standing for something we can fall for anything.
illegalcombat
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1/2/2018 12:19:57 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 12/31/2017 9:33:43 PM, KJVPrewrather wrote:
Pure self interest. I used to be a fetus. I believe I had, have, and will have the right to live from the moment of my conception. Selfish? Maybe, but so is abortion, peace.

Do you think that from the moment of conception that all women should be forced to continue that pregnancy against their will ? even by force if necessary ?

Cause if you do, I have a big f*cking problem with that.