10 Best Presidents of the USA

At 1/8/2012 12:25:46 PM, 000ike wrote:
In order of best to okay.

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Teddy Roosevelt
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Lyndon B. Johnson
6. Bill Clinton
7. Barack Obama
8. James K. Polk
9. Dwight D. Eisenhower (from where I derived my user name. He is the master of moderation)
10. JFK

At 1/8/2012 9:16:59 AM, 1Historygenius wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:08:25 AM, jimtimmy wrote:
Here are the 10 Best Presidents of the USA, in order from best to 10th best:

1.) Thomas Jefferson

2.) George Washington

3.) Calvin Coolidge

4.) Grover Cleveland

5.) Ronald Reagan

6.) George W Bush

7.) Warren Harding

8.) William Taft

9.) James Madison

10.) John Adams

WTF! Harding doesn't get on the list he died in office! He also ordered a naval reduction treaty with the naval superpowers of the world. The extra ships may have helped us in WW2. Grover Cleveland left very unpopular in fact some saw him as a Wall Street puppet in his second term and in the first he virtually vetoed everything! William Taft got rid of most of T.R.'s policies! Taft also occasionally slept while in meeting or at his office.

At 1/8/2012 12:32:57 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:25:46 PM, 000ike wrote:
In order of best to okay.

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Teddy Roosevelt
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Lyndon B. Johnson
6. Bill Clinton
7. Barack Obama
8. James K. Polk
9. Dwight D. Eisenhower (from where I derived my user name. He is the master of moderation)
10. JFK

I would ask why you pick presidents, like LBJ, FDR, and Obama, who expanded the state and permanently hurt our nation, but we have been other that before.

I have noticed that a lot of libs put Eisenhower on their best presidents list. Why?

At 1/8/2012 12:32:57 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I have noticed that a lot of libs put Eisenhower on their best presidents list. Why?

At 1/8/2012 12:43:06 PM, Contra wrote:
My list:

1) Franklin D. Roosevelt
2) Bill Clinton
3) Teddy Roosevelt
4) Abe Lincoln
5) Eisenhower
6) Barack Obama
7) Harry Truman
8) Lyndon Johnson
9) James Polk
10) JFK

@ Jimtimmy

Eisenhower improved social security, raised the minimum wage, interstate highway system, ended Korean War, had 90% income tax on wealthy

@ 000ike

Our lists look similar, except Bill Clinton ranks higher on mine

At 1/8/2012 12:43:13 PM, Ren wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:32:57 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I have noticed that a lot of libs put Eisenhower on their best presidents list. Why?

Well, in my case, I'm a moderate...

...but, Eisenhower was a G, and if you have any political knowledge at all, you wouldn't allow the political party to which you subscribe to compromise that perception.

Eisenhower got us through a world war; he was a soldier, an athlete, and an academic.

My only gripe with Eisenhower is that the Bay of Pigs, which is really people's strongest criticism against JFK, was really his fault. However, when one considers the man's successes in organizing coups and assassinations, it's hard to place any blame at all.

In any case, we see where Nixon learned it.

At 1/8/2012 9:16:59 AM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Grover Cleveland left very unpopular in fact some saw him as a Wall Street puppet in his second term and in the first he virtually vetoed everything!

At 1/8/2012 12:35:27 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 9:16:59 AM, 1Historygenius wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:08:25 AM, jimtimmy wrote:
Here are the 10 Best Presidents of the USA, in order from best to 10th best:

1.) Thomas Jefferson

2.) George Washington

3.) Calvin Coolidge

4.) Grover Cleveland

5.) Ronald Reagan

6.) George W Bush

7.) Warren Harding

8.) William Taft

9.) James Madison

10.) John Adams

WTF! Harding doesn't get on the list he died in office! He also ordered a naval reduction treaty with the naval superpowers of the world. The extra ships may have helped us in WW2. Grover Cleveland left very unpopular in fact some saw him as a Wall Street puppet in his second term and in the first he virtually vetoed everything! William Taft got rid of most of T.R.'s policies! Taft also occasionally slept while in meeting or at his office.

Harding cut taxes and spending. Grover Cleveland also believed in limited government and fought for that.

As for Taft, repealing TR's policies is a good thing. And, Reagan slept in meeting sometimes too, and he was still one of our greatest presidents.

At 1/8/2012 12:47:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:43:13 PM, Ren wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:32:57 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I have noticed that a lot of libs put Eisenhower on their best presidents list. Why?

Well, in my case, I'm a moderate...

...but, Eisenhower was a G, and if you have any political knowledge at all, you wouldn't allow the political party to which you subscribe to compromise that perception.

Eisenhower got us through a world war; he was a soldier, an athlete, and an academic.

My only gripe with Eisenhower is that the Bay of Pigs, which is really people's strongest criticism against JFK, was really his fault. However, when one considers the man's successes in organizing coups and assassinations, it's hard to place any blame at all.

In any case, we see where Nixon learned it.

Alright, so it has more to do with his foreign policy for you?

At 1/8/2012 12:51:30 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:35:27 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 9:16:59 AM, 1Historygenius wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:08:25 AM, jimtimmy wrote:
Here are the 10 Best Presidents of the USA, in order from best to 10th best:

1.) Thomas Jefferson

2.) George Washington

3.) Calvin Coolidge

4.) Grover Cleveland

5.) Ronald Reagan

6.) George W Bush

7.) Warren Harding

8.) William Taft

9.) James Madison

10.) John Adams

WTF! Harding doesn't get on the list he died in office! He also ordered a naval reduction treaty with the naval superpowers of the world. The extra ships may have helped us in WW2. Grover Cleveland left very unpopular in fact some saw him as a Wall Street puppet in his second term and in the first he virtually vetoed everything! William Taft got rid of most of T.R.'s policies! Taft also occasionally slept while in meeting or at his office.

Harding cut taxes and spending. Grover Cleveland also believed in limited government and fought for that.

As for Taft, repealing TR's policies is a good thing. And, Reagan slept in meeting sometimes too, and he was still one of our greatest presidents.

Any president can cut taxes and spending, some just choose not to. Those that mean Harding is anywhere good and played a significant role in our nation: no. As Cleveland believed in a limited government at a time when the government should have been growing. This was a time when the people saw that the government slow with changes in the world. Particularly unpopular was Cleveland's veto to pensions for Civil War veterans. T.R. fought for workers rights and made the Panama Canal as well as his great big stick diplomacy. Also, because of Taft's loss of policies, T.R. has to run in 1912.

There are times when the government should grow, we don't want a very small government like in the Articles of Confederation. At least men like FDR and Abe fought to protect and preserve the nation. Ike constructed the interstate which dramatically made the nation wealthier quicker. Then we have Nixon who significantly made an arms reduction agreement with Russia and ended the Vietnam War. James Polk, one of the most successive of presidents expanded our nation.

At 1/8/2012 12:52:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way Jimtimmy, I'm still waiting for that debate. I also have a sense that the conservative coalition that flocked to your debate with Royalpaladin did not entirely vote accurately or fairly.

At 1/8/2012 1:13:44 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:52:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way Jimtimmy, I'm still waiting for that debate. I also have a sense that the conservative coalition that flocked to your debate with Royalpaladin did not entirely vote accurately or fairly.

I said soon.

And, ROFL. I beat Royalpaladin 41-14. 41-14. And, that "conservative colation" that voted on that debate had plently of liberals. And, it is not as if there are a lot people on DDO that share my views on race.

In fact, if me and Royal had had equal arguments, she would've won, because this site is biased toward political correctness on race.

The reason I beat Royal was that I am MUCH smarter than Royal and reality was on my side, overwhelmingly. Because of these things, I won despite a bias against me on this topic. That is all there is to it.

At 1/8/2012 1:13:44 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:52:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way Jimtimmy, I'm still waiting for that debate. I also have a sense that the conservative coalition that flocked to your debate with Royalpaladin did not entirely vote accurately or fairly.

I said soon.

And, ROFL. I beat Royalpaladin 41-14. 41-14. And, that "conservative colation" that voted on that debate had plently of liberals. And, it is not as if there are a lot people on DDO that share my views on race.

In fact, if me and Royal had had equal arguments, she would've won, because this site is biased toward political correctness on race.

The reason I beat Royal was that I am MUCH smarter than Royal and reality was on my side, overwhelmingly. Because of these things, I won despite a bias against me on this topic. That is all there is to it.

At 1/8/2012 1:17:15 PM, 000ike wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:13:44 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:52:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way Jimtimmy, I'm still waiting for that debate. I also have a sense that the conservative coalition that flocked to your debate with Royalpaladin did not entirely vote accurately or fairly.

I said soon.

And, ROFL. I beat Royalpaladin 41-14. 41-14. And, that "conservative colation" that voted on that debate had plently of liberals. And, it is not as if there are a lot people on DDO that share my views on race.

In fact, if me and Royal had had equal arguments, she would've won, because this site is biased toward political correctness on race.

The reason I beat Royal was that I am MUCH smarter than Royal and reality was on my side, overwhelmingly. Because of these things, I won despite a bias against me on this topic. That is all there is to it.

Royal is smarter than you by a long shot by the way. In any case, I'll show you how much you've actually distorted reality in your reasoning, if and when you send the challenge.

At 1/8/2012 1:17:15 PM, 000ike wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:13:44 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:52:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way Jimtimmy, I'm still waiting for that debate. I also have a sense that the conservative coalition that flocked to your debate with Royalpaladin did not entirely vote accurately or fairly.

I said soon.

And, ROFL. I beat Royalpaladin 41-14. 41-14. And, that "conservative colation" that voted on that debate had plently of liberals. And, it is not as if there are a lot people on DDO that share my views on race.

In fact, if me and Royal had had equal arguments, she would've won, because this site is biased toward political correctness on race.

The reason I beat Royal was that I am MUCH smarter than Royal and reality was on my side, overwhelmingly. Because of these things, I won despite a bias against me on this topic. That is all there is to it.

Royal is smarter than you by a long shot by the way. In any case, I'll show you how much you've actually distorted reality in your reasoning, if and when you send the challenge.

At 1/8/2012 1:19:46 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:17:15 PM, 000ike wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:13:44 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:52:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way Jimtimmy, I'm still waiting for that debate. I also have a sense that the conservative coalition that flocked to your debate with Royalpaladin did not entirely vote accurately or fairly.

I said soon.

And, ROFL. I beat Royalpaladin 41-14. 41-14. And, that "conservative colation" that voted on that debate had plently of liberals. And, it is not as if there are a lot people on DDO that share my views on race.

In fact, if me and Royal had had equal arguments, she would've won, because this site is biased toward political correctness on race.

The reason I beat Royal was that I am MUCH smarter than Royal and reality was on my side, overwhelmingly. Because of these things, I won despite a bias against me on this topic. That is all there is to it.

Royal is smarter than you by a long shot by the way. In any case, I'll show you how much you've actually distorted reality in your reasoning, if and when you send the challenge.

Okay, I admit that I lost. I honestly have no idea what I am talking about. I am dumber than shiit, and that is clear to anyone who has seen any of our arguments. Jimtimmy beat me fair and square. I'm just pissed that I am so much more ignorant and unintelligent than a 17 year old ancap.

At 1/8/2012 1:36:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Ah, don't you love the sound of liberals agreeing with each other, and thinking they are so smart all the while? Keeping patting each others backs, just keep it up.

At 1/8/2012 12:50:12 PM, Ren wrote:

At 1/8/2012 9:16:59 AM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Grover Cleveland left very unpopular in fact some saw him as a Wall Street puppet in his second term and in the first he virtually vetoed everything!

Isn't that Grover Cleveland in your avie? Perhaps I'm mistaken. :\

At 1/8/2012 1:39:06 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:36:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Ah, don't you love the sound of liberals agreeing with each other, and thinking they are so smart all the while? Keeping patting each others backs, just keep it up.

The funniest part is that Royal and 000ike are the two dumbest libs here. Especially Royal.

When Royal came to DDO, the average IQ here dropped about substantially.

At 1/8/2012 1:42:08 PM, 000ike wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:39:06 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:36:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Ah, don't you love the sound of liberals agreeing with each other, and thinking they are so smart all the while? Keeping patting each others backs, just keep it up.

The funniest part is that Royal and 000ike are the two dumbest libs here. Especially Royal.

When Royal came to DDO, the average IQ here dropped about substantially.

Are you going to send the challenge today or what? Its getting to be a bit of an inconvenience stomaching your nonsense.

At 1/8/2012 1:39:06 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:36:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Ah, don't you love the sound of liberals agreeing with each other, and thinking they are so smart all the while? Keeping patting each others backs, just keep it up.

The funniest part is that Royal and 000ike are the two dumbest libs here. Especially Royal.

When Royal came to DDO, the average IQ here dropped about substantially.

At 1/8/2012 1:44:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:39:06 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:36:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Ah, don't you love the sound of liberals agreeing with each other, and thinking they are so smart all the while? Keeping patting each others backs, just keep it up.

The funniest part is that Royal and 000ike are the two dumbest libs here. Especially Royal.

When Royal came to DDO, the average IQ here dropped about substantially.

Ok, jimmy I will say one thing, is that you only discredit yourself when you call someone stupid, with little reasoning behind it.

You may be right, but don't discredit yourself by outright saying it, without any facts to back it up.

I would suggest tearing apart her arguments instead. Its more classy that way.

At 1/8/2012 1:44:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:39:06 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:36:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Ah, don't you love the sound of liberals agreeing with each other, and thinking they are so smart all the while? Keeping patting each others backs, just keep it up.

The funniest part is that Royal and 000ike are the two dumbest libs here. Especially Royal.

When Royal came to DDO, the average IQ here dropped about substantially.

Ok, jimmy I will say one thing, is that you only discredit yourself when you call someone stupid, with little reasoning behind it.

You may be right, but don't discredit yourself by outright saying it, without any facts to back it up.

I would suggest tearing apart her arguments instead. Its more classy that way.

At 1/8/2012 1:49:57 PM, 000ike wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:44:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:39:06 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:36:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Ah, don't you love the sound of liberals agreeing with each other, and thinking they are so smart all the while? Keeping patting each others backs, just keep it up.

The funniest part is that Royal and 000ike are the two dumbest libs here. Especially Royal.

When Royal came to DDO, the average IQ here dropped about substantially.

Ok, jimmy I will say one thing, is that you only discredit yourself when you call someone stupid, with little reasoning behind it.

You may be right, but don't discredit yourself by outright saying it, without any facts to back it up.

I would suggest tearing apart her arguments instead. Its more classy that way.

You think he has the ability to tear arguments apart? He's no Danielle. I've argued with him on the issue before, and Jimtimmy doesn't know the first thing about biology, evolution, or genetics. You'll also notice that the argumentative backbone of his position are studies, and he cannot answer any questions that get to the core of his position.

Jim Crow, ehh..Timmy, is about as classy as a hippo juggling china.

At 1/8/2012 1:51:58 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:49:57 PM, 000ike wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:44:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:39:06 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:36:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Ah, don't you love the sound of liberals agreeing with each other, and thinking they are so smart all the while? Keeping patting each others backs, just keep it up.

The funniest part is that Royal and 000ike are the two dumbest libs here. Especially Royal.

When Royal came to DDO, the average IQ here dropped about substantially.

Ok, jimmy I will say one thing, is that you only discredit yourself when you call someone stupid, with little reasoning behind it.

You may be right, but don't discredit yourself by outright saying it, without any facts to back it up.

I would suggest tearing apart her arguments instead. Its more classy that way.

You think he has the ability to tear arguments apart? He's no Danielle. I've argued with him on the issue before, and Jimtimmy doesn't know the first thing about biology, evolution, or genetics. You'll also notice that the argumentative backbone of his position are studies, and he cannot answer any questions that get to the core of his position.

Jim Crow, ehh..Timmy, is about as classy as a hippo juggling china.

As you'll note, just as I predicted in my last comment, I was just called a racist again by 000ike.

At 1/8/2012 1:44:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:39:06 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

At 1/8/2012 1:36:40 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Ah, don't you love the sound of liberals agreeing with each other, and thinking they are so smart all the while? Keeping patting each others backs, just keep it up.

The funniest part is that Royal and 000ike are the two dumbest libs here. Especially Royal.

When Royal came to DDO, the average IQ here dropped about substantially.

Ok, jimmy I will say one thing, is that you only discredit yourself when you call someone stupid, with little reasoning behind it.

You may be right, but don't discredit yourself by outright saying it, without any facts to back it up.

I would suggest tearing apart her arguments instead. Its more classy that way.