At 1/8/2012 2:06:58 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I dont understand why people always make threads like this. Obviously liberals will like FDR and Lincoln, obviously conservatives will like Reagan and Lincoln (contrary to their limited government rhetoric), and libertarians will hate all of them. Why not just straight up debate the philosophies of government rather than just the superiority of it's representatives. It's like me saying Immanuel Kant was better than John Stuart Mill. Theres no way to measure which is better unless we first measure the soundness of their philosophies. Obviously everyone has different ways of measuring a good president so why not debate the principles straight up?
I see where you're coming from, but by that logic why post any forum topic about anything contentious then, because people are always going to have different opinions...? Are you saying we should limit posts do that which is strictly objective? Though I do understand that this is one of the most subjective topics ever....
Also, by the way, libertarians won't/shouldn't hate all the Presidents. Grover Cleveland and Calvin Coolidge are my two favorite Presidents and I'm very libertarian. Check out the following quotes.... Unlike most modern Presidents who ran on limited government platforms, these quotes actually reflect their administrations.
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business." - Calvin Coolidge
"Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery." - Calvin Coolidge
"Public officers are the servants and agents of the people, to execute the laws which the people have made." - Grover Cleveland
"And still the question, 'What shall be done with our ex-Presidents?' is not laid at rest; and I sometimes think Watterson's solution of it, 'Take them out and shoot them,' is worthy of attention." - Grover Cleveland
"When more of the people's sustenance is exacted through the form of taxation than is necessary to meet the just obligations of government and expenses of its economical administration, such exaction becomes ruthless extortion and a violation of the fundamental principles of free government." - Grover Cleveland
If libertarians don't like those guys, they won't like any government official. And if they won't like any government official, they're probably anarchists, not libertarian.