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4/12/2012 1:09:42 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 1:07:29 AM, darkkermit wrote: It would be the same as cutting curly hair of any race. Why should they learn how to cut curly hair at all? Learning to cut and style curly hair is going to cost money in training. If I go to a grocery store, I won't be expected to find wood even though wood is a multi-billion dollar industry. It would cost the grocery store space to put the wood up in which few people would likely buy it. Wood =/= food. Hair is hair. And that's the main problem, black hair is viewed as something "other" or unnatural or abnormal. It's hair. yang. |
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4/12/2012 1:11:47 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 1:06:01 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/12/2012 1:01:52 AM, darkkermit wrote: It wouldn't make much sense because there are a lot more people that have curly hair than people with black hair. Markets can discriminate, it's just unlikely to occur unless there is some sort of profit motive. Open borders debate: http://www.debate.org... |
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4/12/2012 1:26:52 AM Posted: 6 years ago also, tulle, based on your own analysis , why don't black salons accept white hair :p.
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4/12/2012 10:21:29 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 1:26:52 AM, darkkermit wrote: I don't know if that's the case... Also I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of people who start their own salons (eg. in their basement) for black women have never gone to cosmetology school. There's a difference between knowing hair care and hair styling. The biggest problem is that the schools don't seem to be educating anyone about how to handle it... Anyway, I think it's pretty amazing that I can have a conversation about this on DDO so thank you, Dark and Mong(oose? eese?) :) yang. |
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4/12/2012 10:25:13 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 10:21:29 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/12/2012 1:26:52 AM, darkkermit wrote: Enjoying the conversation as well. I think this conversation has convinced me that markets might have a natural tendency to discriminate in many cases. Open borders debate: http://www.debate.org... |
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4/12/2012 1:06:35 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 10:25:13 AM, darkkermit wrote:At 4/12/2012 10:21:29 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/12/2012 1:26:52 AM, darkkermit wrote: I successfully debated something? I'm impressed with myself! yang. |
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4/12/2012 1:29:26 PM Posted: 6 years ago I went back to get a Brazilian Keratin Treatment, a hair straightening treatment that starts at $300. I was prepared to spend more because I know my hair is naturally curly. "Sorry, we don't do black hair". So yes, you're absolutely right, it's all about profit /endsarcasm.: Why would you ever want to pay money to blatant racists anyhow? The people aren't helpless to defend against practices they deem unethical through protest and boycott. How can the government come in and say," Your staff has to come in and learn how to style black hair."? That's not feasible, and even supposing it was, what's the next thing they'd try to regulate and at what length would they go to? "Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno) |
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4/12/2012 1:36:03 PM Posted: 6 years ago
Okay, but that's a commercial issue not a case for government intrvention. On a commercial basis, it sounds like you have a reasonable complaint. It would be worth the while for a salon to learn how to properly accommodate black hair. If they don't, they risk losing revenue and have to suffer the conseuqences for catering to only a niche market. "Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno) |
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4/12/2012 1:45:47 PM Posted: 6 years ago I've spoken to black Americans and apparently this is a problem in the States as well, with some "white" salons refusing service. As I said, "black hair" is a multi-billion dollar industry... it doesn't matter what percentage of black people are living in an area if of 100 white girls only 5 get their hair done regularly while 8 out of 10 black girls get their hair done regularly (not real figures, just saying...). Like I said, black salons like to keep your hair short because you will make more frequent visits. Anecdotally, the people I know who have longer hair go to salons less often.: There are salons that are black-owned which operate in predominantly black communities. That means the vast majority of their cliental accommodates black patrons and thusly are more used to porous hair. If they didn't know how to properly cut a white woman's hair would your solution be to call the government? Now, don't misunderstand me... I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't be offended when that b*tch behind the counter snidely said, "We don't do black hair." If I was standing right there and heard someone say that to you, I'd b*tch her out and be sure to tell her that she not only lost your business, but that we'll file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau (don't let the wording fool you, it's privately owned). "Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno) |
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4/12/2012 3:04:51 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 1:29:26 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:I went back to get a Brazilian Keratin Treatment, a hair straightening treatment that starts at $300. I was prepared to spend more because I know my hair is naturally curly. "Sorry, we don't do black hair". So yes, you're absolutely right, it's all about profit /endsarcasm.: It's a really high end salon and it obviously doesn't adversely affect them to refuse my service. It only adversely affects the people who they refuse. And clearly no one else sees it as a problem. That's kind of the problem with being a minority... The people aren't helpless to defend against practices they deem unethical through protest and boycott. How can the government come in and say," Your staff has to come in and learn how to style black hair."? That's not feasible, and even supposing it was, what's the next thing they'd try to regulate and at what length would they go to? yang. |
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4/12/2012 3:18:11 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 1:06:35 PM, tulle wrote:At 4/12/2012 10:25:13 AM, darkkermit wrote:At 4/12/2012 10:21:29 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/12/2012 1:26:52 AM, darkkermit wrote: Was that your original intent? To demonstrate that markets have a natural tendency to discriminate. I wasn't quite sure what your argument was. Open borders debate: http://www.debate.org... |
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4/12/2012 3:22:59 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 3:18:11 PM, darkkermit wrote: What do you mean by natural tendency? My argument was that the notion that "capitalism eliminates discrimination because all they care about is green" is false. yang. |
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4/12/2012 3:28:09 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 3:22:59 PM, tulle wrote:At 4/12/2012 3:18:11 PM, darkkermit wrote: Well I believe that "capitalism has a natural tendency to discriminate because it cares about green". Even, If for example, a certain sector does make some sort of discrimination mistake that causes it to lose profits, another company(s) will capture the market, and create a market based on "reverse-discrimination" (for example: black salons). This creates kind of an equilibrium, since those companies that were systematically losing profits now has an added expense of trying to get back its potential customers, so the system stays like that. Open borders debate: http://www.debate.org... |
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4/12/2012 3:40:42 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/12/2012 3:28:09 PM, darkkermit wrote:At 4/12/2012 3:22:59 PM, tulle wrote:At 4/12/2012 3:18:11 PM, darkkermit wrote: Interesting... sorry, I'm at work so response is limited. yang. |
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4/13/2012 2:17:14 AM Posted: 6 years ago This thread certainly makes it apparent that a great many people still have some racial issues that they need to mask and rationalize with free-market ideology. This has prompted me to write a post exploring the causal relation of capitalism to racism in our society, if anyone is interested and wishes to contribute their thoughts here's the link, http://www.debate.org...
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4/13/2012 7:20:24 AM Posted: 6 years ago Sorry for the late response, dark. So what makes you think it's the market that's discriminating and not the people? This thread alone has shown that black hair is seen as a "niche" market, something other, abnormal, deviating from the norm.
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4/13/2012 8:43:21 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/13/2012 2:17:14 AM, charleslb wrote: And yet.....no one cares. -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-OBERHERR'S SIGNATURE-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Official Enforcer for the DDO Elite(if they existed). "Cases are anti-town." - FourTrouble -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- |
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4/13/2012 11:15:54 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/13/2012 7:20:24 AM, tulle wrote: There is a manner of hair styling from Africa that involves braids and weaves. However, in some states it's against the law to practice the methods without a cosmetology license that has includes a great deal of material on hair dying, where there are health and safety issues involved. Big government is discriminating against niche markets o the detriment of both small businesses and heir customers. |
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4/13/2012 11:23:04 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/13/2012 2:17:14 AM, charleslb wrote: The only one here that is obsessed with race is you, Charles. "Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno) |
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4/13/2012 11:26:52 AM Posted: 6 years ago Video expressly discusses cosmetology and the unintended consequences of government intervention.
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4/13/2012 12:02:10 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/13/2012 11:15:54 AM, RoyLatham wrote:At 4/13/2012 7:20:24 AM, tulle wrote: In a previous post I brought up several services that white salons do for non-black people that black people would also like to have done. Additionally, would you call black skin care/cosmetics a "niche market"? Is our skin different from everyone else's? yang. |
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4/13/2012 12:14:53 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/13/2012 11:26:52 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote: Can't watch videos at work but I'll view it later. yang. |