Who Should I Vote For

At 4/13/2012 9:06:43 PM, DanT wrote:

At 4/12/2012 4:09:26 PM, stubs wrote:
I just wanted to start a new topic and hopefully get a lot of opinions. I want replies that tell me who to vote for and why.

Thank you for any responses

Mitt Romney. Ron Paul has no chance, and Mitt is the closest thing to Paul, who has an actual chance of winning.:

Some people stick to the motto, "Anybody but Obama." I stick to the motto "Nobody but Paul."

Other than perhaps needing oxygen to breathe, what about Romney is similar to Paul?

At 4/13/2012 9:39:34 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

At 4/13/2012 9:06:43 PM, DanT wrote:

At 4/12/2012 4:09:26 PM, stubs wrote:
I just wanted to start a new topic and hopefully get a lot of opinions. I want replies that tell me who to vote for and why.

Thank you for any responses

Mitt Romney. Ron Paul has no chance, and Mitt is the closest thing to Paul, who has an actual chance of winning.:

Some people stick to the motto, "Anybody but Obama." I stick to the motto "Nobody but Paul."

Other than perhaps needing oxygen to breathe, what about Romney is similar to Paul?

Allot of things, have you checked where he stands on the issues?

http://www.mittromney.com...

I'm about to head to bed, so I'm not going to go into detail right now, but he is the closest thing to Paul, without actually being Paul. All the other candidates are far more collectivist.

At 4/13/2012 9:39:34 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

At 4/13/2012 9:06:43 PM, DanT wrote:

At 4/12/2012 4:09:26 PM, stubs wrote:
I just wanted to start a new topic and hopefully get a lot of opinions. I want replies that tell me who to vote for and why.

Thank you for any responses

Mitt Romney. Ron Paul has no chance, and Mitt is the closest thing to Paul, who has an actual chance of winning.:

Some people stick to the motto, "Anybody but Obama." I stick to the motto "Nobody but Paul."

Other than perhaps needing oxygen to breathe, what about Romney is similar to Paul?

How is Romney Oxygen? Moot Romney is hypocritical and has most likely employed in Massachusetts every policy you hate of the Obama administration.

If anything Obama is not only more consistent, but more trustworthy than the Moot Romney, who's position can be bought and sold if not by money, then by pressure from one interest/base or the other.

At 4/13/2012 9:47:57 PM, 000ike wrote:

At 4/13/2012 9:39:34 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

At 4/13/2012 9:06:43 PM, DanT wrote:
Mitt Romney. Ron Paul has no chance, and Mitt is the closest thing to Paul, who has an actual chance of winning.:

Some people stick to the motto, "Anybody but Obama." I stick to the motto "Nobody but Paul."

Other than perhaps needing oxygen to breathe, what about Romney is similar to Paul?

How is Romney Oxygen? Moot Romney is hypocritical and has most likely employed in Massachusetts every policy you hate of the Obama administration.

If anything Obama is not only more consistent, but more trustworthy than the Moot Romney, who's position can be bought and sold if not by money, then by pressure from one interest/base or the other.

Obama is far from consistent, everything he campaigned on that was good got thrown out the window as soon as he was elected. He's the same as the rest of them, it's just sad that people get sucked into the democrat vs republican narrative. They are the same guys.

Also Romney and Paul are obviously nothing alike, I assume that was a joke.
But if not, here is as short list of things they differ on.
Fiscal Policy.
Monetary Policy.
Defense spending/ constant warfare.
Civil Liberties.

I think those are the most important Federal issues of the day and they are opposite on every one.

At 4/13/2012 10:32:23 PM, lewis20 wrote:

At 4/13/2012 9:47:57 PM, 000ike wrote:

At 4/13/2012 9:39:34 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

At 4/13/2012 9:06:43 PM, DanT wrote:
Mitt Romney. Ron Paul has no chance, and Mitt is the closest thing to Paul, who has an actual chance of winning.:

Some people stick to the motto, "Anybody but Obama." I stick to the motto "Nobody but Paul."

Other than perhaps needing oxygen to breathe, what about Romney is similar to Paul?

How is Romney Oxygen? Moot Romney is hypocritical and has most likely employed in Massachusetts every policy you hate of the Obama administration.

If anything Obama is not only more consistent, but more trustworthy than the Moot Romney, who's position can be bought and sold if not by money, then by pressure from one interest/base or the other.

Obama is far from consistent, everything he campaigned on that was good got thrown out the window as soon as he was elected. He's the same as the rest of them, it's just sad that people get sucked into the democrat vs republican narrative. They are the same guys.

Also Romney and Paul are obviously nothing alike, I assume that was a joke.
But if not, here is as short list of things they differ on.
Fiscal Policy.
Monetary Policy.
Defense spending/ constant warfare.
Civil Liberties.

I think those are the most important Federal issues of the day and they are opposite on every one.

Obama has definitely contradicted himself on some things. However, it's to a moderate extent. If Obama contradicted himself as much as you'd like to believe FOX News and the Front Runner himself would be having a field day. The reality is that Moot Romney is so volatile and unstable and inconsistent that he can't be trusted to lead the world's most powerful nation.

Response to the philosophical argument brewing on a political thread:

At 4/13/2012 10:35:55 PM, 000ike wrote:

Obama has definitely contradicted himself on some things. However, it's to a moderate extent. If Obama contradicted himself as much as you'd like to believe FOX News and the Front Runner himself would be having a field day. The reality is that Moot Romney is so volatile and unstable and inconsistent that he can't be trusted to lead the world's most powerful nation.

You are still caught up in this democrat republican team thing.
Obama has contradicted himself on major issues, not to a moderate extent. I'm not saying Romney is better, but as long as you root for one team and against the other you are always going to lose. You think anything really changes between parties? It doesn't. We have the exact same thing with Obama as we had with Bush as we will have with any other candidate.

Allot of things, have you checked where he stands on the issues?

http://www.mittromney.com...

I'm about to head to bed, so I'm not going to go into detail right now, but he is the closest thing to Paul, without actually being Paul. All the other candidates are far more collectivist.:

I'm sorry, but Romney is ten times closer to Obama than he is Paul. Let's look at the issues:

Afghanistan/Pakistan:

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

Telling China how to behave through sanctions:

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

Iran (specifically military action to prevent nukes)

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

Israel - keeping close ties

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Indifferent (wants to trade with Israel, not militarily support it)

Middle East (intervention)

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

National Defense

Romney - For
Obama - Against
Paul - For (however, Paul's version actually has to do with NATIONAL defense, whereas Romney's version of N.D. incorporates military exapnsion into int'l affairs)

Healthcare (ObamNey Care... this one's a no brainer.. ObamaCare IS RomneyCare)

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

Gun Rights

Romney - For
Obama - Against
Paul - For

Illegal Immigration

Romney - Against
Obama - Against
Paul - Against

Tax/IRS

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

I could on, but you get the point... Obama and Romney have way more common than Paul and Romney. How you could think a typical sycophant politician is like the anti-politician, Paul, is truly amazing to me.

Obama: CON National Security

Real good here

Romney, when he was governor of MA, was actually anti-gun rights.
Nowadays, he signs up with the NRA, and the next week promptly declares that he has been a 'life-long NRA member'.

Some people stick to the motto, "Anybody but Obama." I stick to the motto "Nobody but Paul."

Other than perhaps needing oxygen to breathe, what about Romney is similar to Paul?

How is Romney Oxygen?:

Where did I say Romney was oxygen?

Moot Romney is hypocritical and has most likely employed in Massachusetts every policy you hate of the Obama administration.:

I know... why don't you try actually reading my responses. I'm saying nothing about Romney is similar to Paul. If anything, he's a chip right off your daddy's (Obama) block.

If anything Obama is not only more consistent, but more trustworthy than the Moot Romney, who's position can be bought and sold if not by money, then by pressure from one interest/base or the other.:

Haha, yeah, okay... Obama is a failure and backed out on almost every political promise he made. Obama and Romney are flipsides of the same coin. Everything Bush did that you despised, Obama took up the mantle and expanded. And you got the balls to talk about others being hypocritical? Hypocrisy is like a second language to Obama.

You are still caught up in this democrat republican team thing.
Obama has contradicted himself on major issues, not to a moderate extent. I'm not saying Romney is better, but as long as you root for one team and against the other you are always going to lose. You think anything really changes between parties? It doesn't. We have the exact same thing with Obama as we had with Bush as we will have with any other candidate.:

Exactly. All those campaign promises amounted to nothing but politicking and pandering to get the vote. Instead of dismantling Bush's projects, the motherf*cker double-down's it.

Hard to believe people are still drinking the Hopey-Changey Kool-Aid still in the face of overwhelming contradiction.

At 4/13/2012 10:54:23 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

Allot of things, have you checked where he stands on the issues?

http://www.mittromney.com...

I'm about to head to bed, so I'm not going to go into detail right now, but he is the closest thing to Paul, without actually being Paul. All the other candidates are far more collectivist.:

I'm sorry, but Romney is ten times closer to Obama than he is Paul. Let's look at the issues:

Afghanistan/Pakistan:

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

Telling China how to behave through sanctions:

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

Iran (specifically military action to prevent nukes)

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

Israel - keeping close ties

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Indifferent (wants to trade with Israel, not militarily support it)

Middle East (intervention)

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

National Defense

Romney - For
Obama - Against
Paul - For (however, Paul's version actually has to do with NATIONAL defense, whereas Romney's version of N.D. incorporates military exapnsion into int'l affairs)

Healthcare (ObamNey Care... this one's a no brainer.. ObamaCare IS RomneyCare)

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

Actually Romney believes that power is reserved for the states.

"Mitt's Plan

On his first day in office, Mitt Romney will issue an executive order that paves the way for the federal government to issue Obamacare waivers to all fifty states. He will then work with Congress to repeal the full legislation as quickly as possible.

In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government's role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution

Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability"

http://www.mittromney.com...

Gun Rights

Romney - For
Obama - Against
Paul - For

Illegal Immigration

Romney - Against
Obama - Against
Paul - Against

Tax/IRS

Romney - For
Obama - For
Paul - Against

IRS =/= Taxes
IRS = income taxes

Romney wants to repeal several types of taxes.

"Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
Eliminate the Death Tax
Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
...
Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
Switch to a territorial tax system
Repeal the corporate Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)"
http://www.mittromney.com...

I could on, but you get the point... Obama and Romney have way more common than Paul and Romney. How you could think a typical sycophant politician is like the anti-politician, Paul, is truly amazing to me.

The point is that you cherry picked issues, and refused to research those issues; even though I gave you the link to where Mitt stands on the issues.

Why is it people always cherry pick issues to make a point? You are bias as all hell, you left out most of the issues I was referring to, and on top of that, you screwed up the position of Mitt on the issues, because you didn't bother to research where he stands.