War On Women

I mean honestly Reasoning it would be too disgustingly easy to sit here and attack that video. I wish the narrator with the really annoying voice was here so I could make him look stupid.

Uhh, men hold the significant majority of political positions all over the world and have throughout history (meaning they are exceptionally more powerful and always have been, on balance). Women are the victims of sexual harassment and assault far more often than men. Men don't experience sexual terrorism. Women are generally the victims of domestic violence. Women have to deal with the dichotomy of society simultaneously calling for them to be sexy and virginal. Women barely had any rights up until the 20th century, including not being able to hold property which -GASP- should be the worst thing your little capitalist ears ever heard (if you're still a capitalist - you confuse me). They are the victims 99% of times in cases of sexual slavery. Until recently women couldn't vote. They aren't part of the "old boys club" which keeps them out of exclusive senior positions at the executive level (though that has changed SLIGHTLY with the introduction of certain employment laws). However I'm in HR and everybody knows that women are still discriminated against on the basis of being female. That's why HR people have just become good and sneaky at avoiding legal trouble. Duh. Then there's the whole "second shift" phenomenon of working women who then go home after their day job and still have to run the household. Blah blah blah. We could sit here forever going back and forth naming injustices among the sexes, but the video is really whiny and naive, not to mention factually inaccurate.

That all being said, I came across an interesting quote recently, I think by Hillary Clinton, that basically mentioned how Conservatives always seem to bring up things that affect women as wedge issues for no apparent reason. Everyone knows that the economy should be first and foremost on the political agenda for the upcoming political campaigns, but we saw Republicans talking about this birth control ish and even abortion as a big social issue. Um, didn't we settle this in 1973? And sure paying for birth control might be retarded, but so is the government paying for a sh!t ton of other pork, yet birth control is being singled out. These social issues are completely irrelevant and all seem to involve making women look like sexual deviants. If a girl wants her birth control covered by medical insurance (and btw I'm on a birth control and I'm a lesbian... it serves a medical purpose, DUH) then she's a slut, but I highly doubt Rush Limbaugh would call a guy grabbing condoms from Planned Parenthood the equivalent of a male slut. What's that derogatory term again? Oh right, it doesn't exist. My b.

At 5/4/2012 10:58:22 PM, Danielle wrote:
That all being said, I came across an interesting quote recently, I think by Hillary Clinton, that basically mentioned how Conservatives always seem to bring up things that affect women as wedge issues for no apparent reason. Everyone knows that the economy should be first and foremost on the political agenda for the upcoming political campaigns, but we saw Republicans talking about this birth control ish and even abortion as a big social issue. Um, didn't we settle this in 1973? And sure paying for birth control might be retarded, but so is the government paying for a sh!t ton of other pork, yet birth control is being singled out. These social issues are completely irrelevant and all seem to involve making women look like sexual deviants. If a girl wants her birth control covered by medical insurance (and btw I'm on a birth control and I'm a lesbian... it serves a medical purpose, DUH) then she's a slut, but I highly doubt Rush Limbaugh would call a guy grabbing condoms from Planned Parenthood the equivalent of a male slut. What's that derogatory term again? Oh right, it doesn't exist. My b.

I've always found it hypocritical that lots of guys will praise a man for having sex with many women, but if a woman has sex with more than a few men she's a worthless slut.

At 5/4/2012 10:58:22 PM, Danielle wrote:
That all being said, I came across an interesting quote recently, I think by Hillary Clinton, that basically mentioned how Conservatives always seem to bring up things that affect women as wedge issues for no apparent reason. Everyone knows that the economy should be first and foremost on the political agenda for the upcoming political campaigns, but we saw Republicans talking about this birth control ish and even abortion as a big social issue. Um, didn't we settle this in 1973? And sure paying for birth control might be retarded, but so is the government paying for a sh!t ton of other pork, yet birth control is being singled out. These social issues are completely irrelevant and all seem to involve making women look like sexual deviants. If a girl wants her birth control covered by medical insurance (and btw I'm on a birth control and I'm a lesbian... it serves a medical purpose, DUH) then she's a slut, but I highly doubt Rush Limbaugh would call a guy grabbing condoms from Planned Parenthood the equivalent of a male slut. What's that derogatory term again? Oh right, it doesn't exist. My b.

First, we did not "settle" it in 1973. Conservatives like me think Abortion = Infantcide. I'm not debating that right now, but I'm assumption that if you thought that as well, you would do the same as us, I hope.

Regardless, we aren't for everyone to pay for others to have sex. I'm not for Planned Parenthood at all, and I'm definitely against any tax payer funded source of it.

But, I do think the Rush quote was uncalled for. However, he does not speak for conservatives. I doubt a majority of us would have said what he said.

At 5/4/2012 11:02:37 PM, thett3 wrote:

At 5/4/2012 10:58:22 PM, Danielle wrote:
That all being said, I came across an interesting quote recently, I think by Hillary Clinton, that basically mentioned how Conservatives always seem to bring up things that affect women as wedge issues for no apparent reason. Everyone knows that the economy should be first and foremost on the political agenda for the upcoming political campaigns, but we saw Republicans talking about this birth control ish and even abortion as a big social issue. Um, didn't we settle this in 1973? And sure paying for birth control might be retarded, but so is the government paying for a sh!t ton of other pork, yet birth control is being singled out. These social issues are completely irrelevant and all seem to involve making women look like sexual deviants. If a girl wants her birth control covered by medical insurance (and btw I'm on a birth control and I'm a lesbian... it serves a medical purpose, DUH) then she's a slut, but I highly doubt Rush Limbaugh would call a guy grabbing condoms from Planned Parenthood the equivalent of a male slut. What's that derogatory term again? Oh right, it doesn't exist. My b.

I've always found it hypocritical that lots of guys will praise a man for having sex with many women, but if a woman has sex with more than a few men she's a worthless slut.

Our culture has low standards and expectations for men regarding this. We don't expect a lot of self-control from them, and its a BS double standard..

@Danielle

Well said.

It was posted by Reasoning, so I didn't even care to watch it, and just assumed it was BS...
If it's not a complaint of being a victim of some vast Jewish conspiracy, apparently he is being victimized by women...

It's cr@p, and for all the reasons you have stated...

Danielle, i dunno if you've been keeping up but lately reasoning has just beein trolling with drivel. don't owrry. he doesn't believe it. though it can be quite funny seeing the reactions of those who believe, he believes it.

At 5/4/2012 11:03:29 PM, OberHerr wrote:
First, we did not "settle" it in 1973. Conservatives like me think Abortion = Infantcide. I'm not debating that right now, but I'm assumption that if you thought that as well, you would do the same as us, I hope.

Fair enough.

Regardless, we aren't for everyone to pay for others to have sex. I'm not for Planned Parenthood at all, and I'm definitely against any tax payer funded source of it.

Okay, and I don't want to pay for war. I'm against tax money being used to fund the military. Just like you think abortion is infanticide, "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." - Albert Einstein --- So here you can see that we both have strong moral opinions against things that are funded by the government. My point was that Hillary made an interesting observation in noting that many of the social issues that are brought up though largely impact women. Abortion is about women's rights (vs. the alleged rights of the unborn). Birth control is not just about sex but a medical issue. I noticed you didn't respond to the part where I mentioned that I take birth control, and NOT for pregnancy prevention. If the purpose of health insurance is to cover medical related costs, and birth control is one of them (which doctors all agree upon) then I don't see the problem of birth control being covered.

Another great analogy was the Democratic senator who introduced a bill targeting men who wanted Viagra. The bill proposes that men who want Viagra need to visit a sex therapist, get a heart test and obtain an affidavit signed by a sex partner lol.
"I am very serious," said state senator Nina Turner. "I'm just as serious as the men policymakers across the nation who introduced bills to regulate a woman's reproductive health."

"A man has to have a long conversation with his physician to determine whether or not this is physical or mental, on top of making sure that he sees a sex therapist, and you know... We've got to make sure that we guide men to make the right decision -- that maybe, maybe these drugs may not be the best decision for them to make. Celibacy is an option."

Haha.

But, I do think the Rush quote was uncalled for. However, he does not speak for conservatives. I doubt a majority of us would have said what he said.

You're probably right, but you're thinking it.

At 5/4/2012 11:08:26 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
Danielle, i dunno if you've been keeping up but lately reasoning has just beein trolling with drivel. don't owrry. he doesn't believe it. though it can be quite funny seeing the reactions of those who believe, he believes it.

Thank gawd.

And no I clearly haven't been paying attention lol I'm not active on DDO anymore. However I will be from now probably until my new job starts in June. I have nothing else to do since I'll be working from home. --Shrug--

@Danielle

I get that contraceptives are used for women's health. What I'm against is ME paying for it. I get your argument against wars, and while I personally thinks that's different, because the alternative for my way of thing would be that citizens hire mercenaries.

At 5/4/2012 11:29:30 PM, OberHerr wrote:
@Danielle

I get that contraceptives are used for women's health. What I'm against is ME paying for it. I get your argument against wars, and while I personally thinks that's different, because the alternative for my way of thing would be that citizens hire mercenaries.

I'm against a lot of things that the state does. I'm against going to wars in other nations. I'm against drones. I'm against funding the Boy Scouts (public funding of a homphobic institution). I still have to pay for it. We all have to pay for policies that we disagree with.

At 5/4/2012 11:33:52 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 5/4/2012 11:29:30 PM, OberHerr wrote:
@Danielle

I get that contraceptives are used for women's health. What I'm against is ME paying for it. I get your argument against wars, and while I personally thinks that's different, because the alternative for my way of thing would be that citizens hire mercenaries.

I'm against a lot of things that the state does. I'm against going to wars in other nations. I'm against drones. I'm against funding the Boy Scouts (public funding of a homphobic institution). I still have to pay for it. We all have to pay for policies that we disagree with.

So, we should just submit to that, and not fight against it?

I'm sure if you could, you would.

I mean, really Royal, you of all people submitting to something?

What do you expect me to do?

At 5/4/2012 11:35:20 PM, OberHerr wrote:
So, we should just submit to that, and not fight against it?

I'm sure if you could, you would.

I feel like we're going in circles. I already said it's fair that you'd want to fight against it. But the point is that social issues concerning women seem to be brought up in particular. The Planned Parenthood controversy over birth control made no sense, yet it was a huge deal a few weeks ago during the thick of the Republican debates. It is the TINIEST FRACTION of the budget, and removing funding for it would barely make the teeniest tiniest difference in terms of the debt... So why was it such an important issue? Oh yeah because it rallied the social conservatives to get passionate about a cause and forget about way more important issues. There are innumerable other ways to eliminate some debt that would actually have an impact, yet they aren't part of the discussion. It's a chump wedge issue.

At 5/4/2012 11:41:45 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
What do you expect me to do?

Support people that are against it?

Protest?

At 5/4/2012 11:45:22 PM, OberHerr wrote:

At 5/4/2012 11:41:45 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
What do you expect me to do?

Support people that are against it?

Protest?

I already do both.

The thing is, I am attacking issues that harm the rights of others. You are attacking issues that promote the rights of others.

At 5/4/2012 11:45:00 PM, Danielle wrote:

At 5/4/2012 11:35:20 PM, OberHerr wrote:
So, we should just submit to that, and not fight against it?

I'm sure if you could, you would.

I feel like we're going in circles. I already said it's fair that you'd want to fight against it. But the point is that social issues concerning women seem to be brought up in particular. The Planned Parenthood controversy over birth control made no sense, yet it was a huge deal a few weeks ago during the thick of the Republican debates. It is the TINIEST FRACTION of the budget, and removing funding for it would barely make the teeniest tiniest difference in terms of the debt... So why was it such an important issue? Oh yeah because it rallied the social conservatives to get passionate about a cause and forget about way more important issues. There are innumerable other ways to eliminate some debt that would actually have an impact, yet they aren't part of the discussion. It's a chump wedge issue.

Your acting like Liberals are blameless from everything. I'm sure if I looked I could find something that liberals do similarly.

At 5/4/2012 11:47:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Your acting like Liberals are blameless from everything. I'm sure if I looked I could find something that liberals do similarly.

I have no idea where you're getting this from. I said that attacking Planned Parenthood funding birth control is stupid because it's such a tiny aspect of the budget. Meanwhile something like protesting military spending (something liberals do) is actually relevant because military costs take up a HUGE fraction of the budget. However nowhere did I ever imply that Liberals are remotely blameless. I hate Democrats too.