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comoncents
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11/1/2009 4:12:15 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
I was recently debating about religion in politics and how it should be left out of our government.
His argument was that the constitution did not spell out exactly, "separation of church in state.
Then he asked where in our history has religion hurt the United States via laws and legislation.

I brought up G.W bush but was challenged with...
(first youtube clip response)

"I don't see why you have a problem with this. Everyone is forced, often at the most crucial
times, to act upon faith. If you insist upon a faithless president, you are requiring your leaders to be atheist. At least this man has the empathy to say that we all pray to the same God."

then..

http://www.beliefnet.com...

"Religion is an important part. I never want to impose my religion on anybody else. But when I make decisions I stand on principle. And the principles are derived from who I am. I believe we ought to love our neighbor like we love ourself. That's manifested in public policy through the faith-based initiative where we've unleashed the armies of compassion to help heal people who hurt. I believe that God wants everybody to be free. That's what I believe. And that's one part of my foreign policy. In Afghanistan I believe that the freedom there is a giftfrom the Almighty. And I can't tell you how encouraged how I am to see freedom on the march. And so my principles that I make decisions on are a part of me. And religion is a part of me."
--Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, AZ, October 13, 2004
he said..
"Persons, who have no problem with tolerating others who believe in a living God with influence on life and creation, would accept these as quotes from a man doing what he believes is right. If a creator gave man a choice of action, that creator would have to be a supporter of freedom. The name, Almighty God, only recognizes that the creator ultimately has the final influence. Where is the problem? "

So i ask you guys...
Why is religion bad for the united states, in terms of allowing a president who has a crazy belief in god to rule.
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America is a Constitution-based federal republic with a strong democratic tradition.
Puck
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11/1/2009 4:21:03 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/1/2009 4:12:15 PM, comoncents wrote:

So i ask you guys...
Why is religion bad for the united states, in terms of allowing a president who has a crazy belief in god to rule.

Someone with executive power who believes Armageddon will arrive, most likely in their lifetime, will make decisions (most likely poor ones) based on that pretext.
GeoLaureate8
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11/1/2009 4:47:08 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
George W. Bush is a Satanist, not a Christian. He's a member of Skull & Bones which is a Satanic cult for the wealthy.

http://www.roguegovernment.com...

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"You think something is one thing and I think the same thing you are thinking of is something other what you think it is." - GodSands

"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." - Napoleon Bonaparte

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca the Younger

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Volkov
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11/1/2009 4:51:45 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/1/2009 4:47:08 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
George W. Bush is a Satanist, not a Christian. He's a member of Skull & Bones which is a Satanic cult for the wealthy.

http://www.roguegovernment.com...

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Geo, Bush is not a Satanist. Skull and Bones is nothing but a silly fraternal society at Harvard. There is not a conspiracy to be found around every corner.

Besides, so what if he was? Satanists, Christians, Mormons.. who gives a f*ck?
GeoLaureate8 said:
"According ex-Illuminati Grand Master Leo Zagami who has close contact with the Vatican, Pope Ratzinger is a gay practicing black magician, and gets his orders from the Black Pope of the Jesuits."

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Ragnar_Rahl
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11/1/2009 4:56:24 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
If Bush was a Satanist he probably would have been a better president.
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Volkov
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11/1/2009 5:04:41 PM
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At 11/1/2009 4:56:24 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If Bush was a Satanist he probably would have been a better president.

Lol. Agreed.
GeoLaureate8 said:
"According ex-Illuminati Grand Master Leo Zagami who has close contact with the Vatican, Pope Ratzinger is a gay practicing black magician, and gets his orders from the Black Pope of the Jesuits."

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11/1/2009 5:11:55 PM
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At 11/1/2009 4:56:24 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If Bush was a Satanist he probably would have been a better president.

Worked for Dick Chaney (VP, anyway).
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11/1/2009 5:16:13 PM
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At 11/1/2009 5:04:41 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 11/1/2009 4:56:24 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If Bush was a Satanist he probably would have been a better president.

Lol. Agreed.

Careful there opposition. Satanists tend to be pretty libertarian.
First and current President of DDO. Or dictator, I don't really care.

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comoncents
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11/1/2009 5:17:17 PM
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How would you respond to his statements?
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Volkov
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11/1/2009 5:28:57 PM
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At 11/1/2009 5:16:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Careful there opposition. Satanists tend to be pretty libertarian.

I suppose they would, or at least LeVey Satanists would. Carnal desires and such.

Mind you, we don't have any Satanists to quiz about it. Unless you're omitting something from your past...
GeoLaureate8 said:
"According ex-Illuminati Grand Master Leo Zagami who has close contact with the Vatican, Pope Ratzinger is a gay practicing black magician, and gets his orders from the Black Pope of the Jesuits."

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