Where is your reason Atheists?

What reason do you behold. With out God your are pointless. Useless and hopeless. Where does reason come from with out an final and judgmental end?

There is no reason for anything of anything an Atheist believes in. I can ask why and all you will say is because it just happened. 'Why' is reasons closest brother.

I hear people say its either faith or reason. There is a reason why I have faith. You nothing knowers. What do you mean by reason?

At 3/18/2009 4:31:20 PM, GodSands wrote:
What reason do you behold. With out God your are pointless. Useless and hopeless. Where does reason come from with out an final and judgmental end?

You're right; I am pointless, useless, hopeless, at least in the great scheme of things. And so are you. We are evolved animals sitting on a rock which is orbiting a large ball of gas. However discomforting this truism is, it remains true, and me believing otherwise won't change that.

There is no reason for anything of anything an Atheist believes in. I can ask why and all you will say is because it just happened. 'Why' is reasons closest brother.

No, if you asked me why, I'd say "I don't know". This is not as shameful a position as your parents told you it was, Godsands.

I hear people say its either faith or reason. There is a reason why I have faith. You nothing knowers. What do you mean by reason?

You're right, there is indeed a reason you have faith, and I'm willing to bet a lot of money on what that reason is.
Can I ask you, Godsands, at what age did you decide to denounce the agnosticism you were born with and become a Christian? That must have been a hard decision, yeah?

I would honestly like to know peoples reasons for choosing faith. I find it amusing that most of the answers are "Because I don't want to go to hell" translation; "I'm scared not to"

Should that person be considered an actual part of that faith if the only reason he or she desires to choose faith is to avoid the consequences? This puzzles me...

: At 3/18/2009 4:51:29 PM, Epicism wrote:

I would honestly like to know peoples reasons for choosing faith. I find it amusing that most of the answers are "Because I don't want to go to hell" translation; "I'm scared not to"

Should that person be considered an actual part of that faith if the only reason he or she desires to choose faith is to avoid the consequences? This puzzles me...

The reason why I have faith is because I am not God. The reason why I have faith is because I am aware that we all die. God wants us to enjoy life to the max, with the fear of death that destroys the life what God has given. I have faith in Jesus because of that reason. Not because I want God to live for me, but because I want to live for God. Live for God, live for God. It says many times in the Bible.

How I became a Christian. I already writen up why, I'll send you a message.

It is not the lack of an omnipotent being which would render existence pointless, but the presence of one. If there is no omnipotent being, one lives or dies by one's own virtues, one's existence is earnable and an end in itself. If there is, on the contrary, one's existence depends on the random, meaningless, unmotivated whim of a mad tyrant.

was brought up by my mother. She became a Christian when I was about three, and from there I and my two other brothers went to church. I had faith God existed from as far as I can remember, but I did not understand Christianity.

We would prey at the table and before bed. My older brother, Ben was very bold and teterment. That at a age of six or seven he would stand up infront of 100 or more people and prey out loud. I would not, I did not have that currage he had. My younger brother Alex, would come to church but he did not understand anything, like most young chrildren. My two brothers are not longer Christian, Ben is now 20 and Alex is now 15.

Years later once I was old enough to go out and drink. I drank, and all the teaching of Christianity left me, I claimed still to be a Christian I said I was, on such webs sites like Bebo and Myspace. However I was not a Christian at all, I was a drunkared, I cursed, used God's name in vanity, lusted etc... where as I would say I was a good person. I believed in evolution and the big bang. I never told any other person about my faith. I had no idea how valuable life is. I abused life, I was on the throne instead of Christ. I never really preyed at all. But within a time span of five to ten minutes my life flipped around utterly.

I was at my computer, same as now. I had been watching Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's street evangelism or open air preaching on Youtube. They told me in an easy way that if I do not repent I will pending for hell. I acknowledged that I was an corrupt and evil person, who was missing someting vital. I had also been watching Dr Kent Hovinds two and some times more long hour clips on why evolution is a shamble. For I have lost how long I watched these for, but it did not take long before I bursted into tears and nelt down on my knees, looking up as if I was looking at God. The most increadible feeling of joy and happyness entered into me. At that very point the believe of evolution and the big bang just was destroyed, I knew that evolution and the big bang never happened. As the Holy Spirit was in me, I simply said, "Where have I been God?" To go back to my old life would be worse than entering hell, I hated my old life. I thanked God and I was changed, God's existence became clear and I knew it.

The next morning I ran to church, I was alittle late however when it was time for people to come up front, I stood and walked to the ulta. I spoke on evolution, in saying it never happened. Two other individuals thought otherwise. After the servise I cried all morning, and gave my life to Christ.

That same week I went out into town and evangelised to the public, I said, "People need to know, otherwise they will have eternal suffering in hell" I stamped my foot in frustration. At times I spoke to groups of ten people about my faith. My wants for money vanished and Jesus was my throne.

Eight months on I evangelise at college, to pupiles on a Wednesday and a Thursday, for three hours every week. I just recently spoken to a homeless man named Wane, I invited him to my church on any Sunday to get him saved. My life here forth will remain God's, I own God everything. I need God and Jesus the Holy Spirit. And it is my job to help bring people to Christ, to know God personaily. Amen to God, my heavenly Father.

Yeah I decided to become a Christian because Jesus is and the only ever chance you will get. I say chance because you can become a Christian then fall away again. Maybe because you are going through a really difficult time in your life, you may deside to drink and forget about your strong faith you once had.

It would be wisdom packed to engage in the Love of Christ.

I try to understand where a person's strengths and weaknesses are. I'm sure you know that I'm a very fair judge in comparison to others who have been bashing you. After our debate, Godsands, I had to come to a very upsetting conclusion.

I don't think you'll be very happy here.

Don't get me wrong, I would very much like you to stay, and so would many others. But for all the wrong reasons. The problem is, you are trying to accomplish something, and so long as you stay here in the state that you are, it will not be done.

You have severe and distressing confusion about everything scientific. From your positions on the dimensions of space and time to the mechanics and intricacies of evolutionary theory. I have spent a lot of time looking over your debates and at the beginning, I thought your complete and total confusion was due to an inability to express your understanding due to extraneous information.

This is why I challenged you to a debate with a character limit. It would force you to focus. As the debate went on, it became more and more apparent that your problem is simply that you have little to no understanding of any of the scientific issues you try to use against science. In fact, you lack the principles taught in the most elementary of science classes, and whatever facts you *do* know, you jumble and manipulate because instead of critical thinking, you force out a conclusion that validates your faith. That is not how science works. That is not how FAITH works.

I know you see this to be some Holy cause, but God has given you a gift to be used for a different purpose. I have no doubt that in theological issues, you will reign supreme. But please, enough is enough of your rants on evolution. Your perseverance will not be rewarded because you are clearly going against God's wishes.

"I had also been watching Dr Kent Hovinds"

Okay, no more nice-Kleptin.

I actually insulted the believers of "Dr. Dino" as a joke earlier, not knowing that GodSands could actually believe his garbage.

How you would view a Satanist, Godsands, is how I would view anyone who believes "Dr." Kent Hovind. Let me assure you that I myself have better credentials than that fraud. And no, I'm not denouncing him as a fraud because he disagrees with me. I'm denouncing him as a fraud because the entire scientific community, and several scientific CHRISTIAN communities view him as a fraud.

The only people who can be swayed by Kent Hovind are the most ignorant of the ignorant. There are plenty of Christian speakers out there who know their science in some manner, and who also argue against evolution. Any one of them is better than Kent Hovind.

Who is Kent Hovind?

: At 3/18/2009 5:53:35 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

It is not the lack of an omnipotent being which would render existence pointless, but the presence of one. If there is no omnipotent being, one lives or dies by one's own virtues, one's existence is earnable and an end in itself. If there is, on the contrary, one's existence depends on the random, meaningless, unmotivated whim of a mad tyrant.

What do you mean when one says unlimitted in power. I mean above all else. Able to do all good. Not to save these poor Athiest with a lazy back bone. And call out "Come save us, show us you are real because my way is easier at the moment, only when I see you God can I believe and know you. My mind can not ulter consistently alone, I am too unable, my existence is too consists of what I like. So it will be, my beliefs will follow."