At 3/2/2012 7:07:20 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:At 3/2/2012 6:43:53 PM, logicrules wrote:You do know there were all kinds of people who wanted to kill Luther right?At 3/2/2012 6:25:01 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:At 3/2/2012 5:35:44 PM, logicrules wrote:So in other words 'No" you don't know about his theology..At 3/2/2012 5:28:01 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:At 3/2/2012 5:13:30 PM, logicrules wrote:I completely agree with you..At 3/2/2012 4:55:39 PM, yoda878 wrote:
ok so you do believe in "baptism for the remission of sins" but you said no water needed on one of the comments and I thought Catholics used water, maybe not immersion. But I think you were talking about sacraments?
Now, the questions here are many....Simple answer....you can get to heaven without baptism...see thief on the cross, Complex answer....without the Christ there is no salvation. There are volumes written on this topic and most on DDO lack the theological understanding or knowledge to have an informed opinion.
All those creed you listed earlier, we read them frequently.
As for your post to me a page back - was that to me? or in general, because so far all you've said i agree with. Nothing i said was in conflict with any of what you just said..
Do you know what reformed theology is? or perhaps its cousin, lutheran theology?
Yes...if you mean reformation theology. I am familiar with the theology of Luther. It is one of the reasons we are currently having problems here in the US. Luther's theology is a dependent theology. It depends on the State having the theology of Luther. They all sound nice til people are free.
I like a lot of your posts, but sometimes it seem you just argue for the sake of arguing..
As for that last remark about sounding nice til people are free... please explain.
A theology dependent on the King will hit the skids when the King has no theology. Lutheran theology has no Moral Theology or Sacrament. The Law of society is their moral code. See the problem in places like the US? Gay "marriage"? Abortion? etc That is a dependent theology.
He does have a moral theology - he just doesn't believe our salvation is dependant upon it. He says very clearly that with the good works we commit, must come the love of what we are doing.. we may be able to obey the physical commandments - but inside we loathe it.
it's called 'CHRIST' centered. The more we look at ourselves, the less we acknowledge what Christ has done. King or no king.. No lutheran or reformed Christian supports gay marriage or abortions.. but we also don't think you go to hell if you do either..
I can explain further, but i want to hear what you have to say first.
And now a conundrum...According to all lutheran pastors and sisters with whom I have spoken, my understanding of Luther's life and works, his moral theology is dependent (hence i say none) on societies laws. Well, you make my point, see marriage by the State is not Marriage, it is just a civil contract. Theology not dependant on the will of the state. yes I am knowledgeable of the reformation and the conflicts thereof.
News flash...I never said anyone goes to hell for anything.