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InquireTruth
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10/6/2009 11:43:46 AM
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The idea of common-wealth came from the early Church, post-Jesus' ministry. Moreover, both Jesus and Paul supported governing rulers.
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10/6/2009 11:57:25 AM
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At 10/6/2009 11:43:46 AM, InquireTruth wrote:
The idea of common-wealth came from the early Church, post-Jesus' ministry. Moreover, both Jesus and Paul supported governing rulers.

Jesus turning over the tables at the markets and attacking the rich while helping the poor, and advocating all should do the same. You'd swear it's something Marx would do ;).
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10/6/2009 12:09:50 PM
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At 10/6/2009 11:29:44 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Should be an Anarcho-Communist if they truly believe in Jesus.

Define "Jesus". If you mean the historical figure, yes. But then again, he definitely wasn't a son of God, nor is it very unlikely that he ever claimed to be. So few people "believe" in him.
So prove me wrong, then.
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10/6/2009 12:10:59 PM
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At 10/6/2009 12:09:50 PM, regebro wrote:
At 10/6/2009 11:29:44 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Should be an Anarcho-Communist if they truly believe in Jesus.

Define "Jesus". If you mean the historical figure, yes. But then again, he definitely wasn't a son of God, nor is it very unlikely that he ever claimed to be. So few people "believe" in him.

Nor was it likely that he existed at all...
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InquireTruth
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10/6/2009 12:30:26 PM
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Jesus turning over the tables at the markets and attacking the rich while helping the poor, and advocating all should do the same. You'd swear it's something Marx would do ;).

Stating an action without its respective purpose seems disingenuous, wouldn't you agree? Did Jesus turn the tables over because (1) he was against capitalism? Or (2) because they were selling in the temple, inadvertently turning it into a "den of robbers?" At what point did Jesus "attack" the rich? Jesus taught that the LOVE of money was the root of all evil. Those who are rich often suffer from the aforesaid more frequently than the poor. Advocating that people ought to care for the down-trodden, the lowly, the hurt, and the disenfranchised is no more a communist virtue as it should be a human virtue.
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10/6/2009 12:33:41 PM
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"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
~Matthew 19:24 (http://bible.cc...)
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10/6/2009 12:35:44 PM
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At 10/6/2009 12:30:26 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
Jesus turning over the tables at the markets and attacking the rich while helping the poor, and advocating all should do the same. You'd swear it's something Marx would do ;).

Stating an action without its respective purpose seems disingenuous, wouldn't you agree? Did Jesus turn the tables over because (1) he was against capitalism? Or (2) because they were selling in the temple, inadvertently turning it into a "den of robbers?" At what point did Jesus "attack" the rich? Jesus taught that the LOVE of money was the root of all evil. Those who are rich often suffer from the aforesaid more frequently than the poor. Advocating that people ought to care for the down-trodden, the lowly, the hurt, and the disenfranchised is no more a communist virtue as it should be a human virtue.

If Jesus had his way, I have no doubt the farms would be collectivised for the common good.
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10/6/2009 12:36:59 PM
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At 10/6/2009 12:33:41 PM, Nags wrote:
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
~Matthew 19:24 (http://bible.cc...)

But the bible does not define rich... so we would have to look at the greek translation.
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